SCOTUS 5-4 rules to allow Federal Government to cut razor wire Texas NG installed at border

a reply to: matafuchs

Your comment is well noted, but my comment stands. The current structure provides the bulk of tax revenue to the federal government and not the states in which citizens reside. The people in DC then 'generously' dole out funding to the states ... a system upon which the states have become too dependent.

That makes sense, theoretically, in having a nation-wide uniform approach to any given issue. But it fails in situations like the one we now see whereby the federal government is egregiously failing in its responsibilities and even interfering with the attempts of states to remedy those failures.

I, on one hand, can understand why the Supremes may have had reservations about unreservedly backing Texas in this case ... but on the other hand, they offer no remedy for the flagrant violation of our border and the damage being done to our sovereignty.

ETA. S+F for the thread.

Cheers

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: matafuchs

What is the purpose of a "boundary?"

do you have a door on your house and does it have a lock? if so, why?

a reply to: network dude

To stop people from coming in. Or in other words, to obstruct them. And the word for something that is designed to obstruct is an obstruction.

The River & Harbors Appropriation Act of 1899 makes it very clear that any un-authorized obstruction in a navigable waterway falls under the authority of the federal government. The Supremacy Clause says that federal law trumps state law.

Ergo, SCOTUS was correct in vacating the lower court's ruling.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: matafuchs

What is the purpose of a "boundary?"

The boundaries set by ATS's Terms and Conditions prevent me from honestly and accurately describing what a monumentally idiotic post this is.

a reply to: underpass61

You would say they obstruct you from doing so?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

To stop people from coming in. Or in other words, to obstruct them. And the word for something that is designed to obstruct is an obstruction.

The River & Harbors Appropriation Act of 1899 makes it very clear that any un-authorized obstruction in a navigable waterway falls under the authority of the federal government. The Supremacy Clause says that federal law trumps state law.

Ergo, SCOTUS was correct in vacating the lower court's ruling.

4-5 ruling. that means 4 of them didn't agree. Yet they were all working with the same Constitution in mind. Sure you got the open border you want so badly, but this wasn't a landslide victory, it squeaked by. I hope you leave your house unlocked and take in as many illegals as will fit. Lest you be full of sh!t.

a reply to: interupt42

As a matter fact I stated I don't blame them as I was immigrant myself and I fully understand why they are wanting to come here.

Yes - I read that part earlier to be sure I was actually getting that right. Shame on you - twice

If you had honestly wanted to have a discussion about what the problems with immigration really are you could have done that. Instead you’re here in a thread defending a state that’s chosen to fill a river with razor wire as a deterrent. You're angry because SCOTUS understood Biden's argument. Well - some of them did

So then you have the nerve to try and sell us all on the idea that this cruelty is more humane and compassionate than what the Democrats want

You said this:

The fact is I was born in a sh1thole country but came here legally, so I know why many are coming and what they are escaping from. I don't blame them, i blame OUR irresponsible govt that is willing to destroy us for political gain and other narratives.

It’s you then that’s arguing on behalf of the immigrants? It’s you that’s more humane - compassionate?

You’re adopting the talking points of an elitist, self indulgent, self satisfied group of people that believe they’re deserving because they were born here?

Life is many times about the luck of the draw. This is something you know. The only reason they’re citizens is because they popped out of mommy’s vagina and landed on American soil

It's not exactly a skill set is it?

Immigration is a huge problem all over the world - not just here in the States. It’s only going to get worse. If we can’t find a way to do this right then there is really nothing noble or honorable about any of us

However you talk as a naive person that has no idea of the reality of hardship as an illegal immigrant that has no way to support themselves and the system tells them to go pound sand .

You know nothing about me or what I understand. This is something you have to say in order to sell your argument

You are just like the NYC virtue signalling democrats that are now facing the consequences of their naiveness and are scrambling to make the illegals go away or send them away to anywhere but there.

Was there a better way to do this? Do you care?

Imagine if everybody had been working together to solve this problem, But that can’t happen can it? Nothing is more satisfying than owning the libs. Immigrants be damned

If you really care about these people - don’t be a part of the problem

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis


If you really care about these people - don’t be a part of the problem

My God, the level of disconnect is gargantuan. If you cared at all about these people you would want the rapes to stop. You don't. I'd say something idiotic like "shame on you" but that wouldn't convey the proper context at all.

Small children. Go look at a kid, then think how you'd feel knowing your need to have a political win cost them their innocence. You make me want to vomit.

a reply to: network dude

There could be a number of reasons the four Justices voted against vacating the order.

Remember, this wasn't actually the SCOTUS ruling on a case. This was the 5th Circuit issuing an injunction against the federal government from removing the barriers while their case is being decided, the Feds appealing to SCOTUS, and SCOTUS vacating the order.

The four Justices could have simply decided it wasn't their place to step on the toes of the 5th Circuit. Until this case actually makes it to the SCOTUS we won't know the actual views of the Justices.

a reply to: network dude

The Supreme Court Says No, Greg Abbott Cannot Just Do Whatever He Wants to Keep People Out of Texas

But four Justices thought it was completely fine to leave people for dead in the Rio Grande.

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My God, the level of disconnect is gargantuan. If you cared at all about these people you would want the rapes to stop. You don't. I'd say something idiotic like "shame on you" but that wouldn't convey the proper context at all.

Small children. Go look at a kid, then think how you'd feel knowing your need to have a political win cost them their innocence. You make me want to vomit.

What on earth are you babbling about now Network?

I believe in my heart that you understand that what's happening is barbaric. You also know where I stand

You'll have to work out where you stand for your own self. I actually do still believe you'll get there

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Should nations have borders?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Wow
So, you're stating for us that you stand with the human/sex traffickers and drug cartels.

That's the only explanation.

a reply to: JinMI

Should nations have borders?

Of course they should. This argument is about how we deal with immigration. Having borders doesn't justify treating people with contempt. This is a dire situation

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Ok, good you think we should of course have borders perfect.

Next question. Do we have an system for immigration?

Do we also have laws for immigration and penalties for breaking those laws?

a reply to: JinMI

Ok, good you think we should of course have borders perfect.

Next question. Do we have an system for immigration?

Do we also have laws for immigration and penalties for breaking those laws?

The argument you're trying to make is silly

Abbott was wrong. How do you feel about that?

:-)

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: JinMI

Ok, good you think we should of course have borders perfect.

Next question. Do we have an system for immigration?

Do we also have laws for immigration and penalties for breaking those laws?

The argument you're trying to make is silly

Abbott was wrong. How do you feel about that?

:-)

I see you're smart enough to know where the answers to the questions lead.

But the deflection doesn't absolve you of the hypocrisy.

Furthermore, it puts you in the position of defending human and drug trafficking.

a reply to: JinMI

I see you're smart enough to know where the answers to the questions lead.

But the deflection doesn't absolve you of the hypocrisy.

Furthermore, it puts you in the position of defending human and drug trafficking.

Deflection? You're the one that thinks this thread can be sidetracked with a discussion of Borders 101

LOL. So - how do you feel about Abbott being wrong?

Also: how am I a hypocrite? Please - by all means - be specific. Talk down to me too while you're at it if it helps you think

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Deflection? You're the one that thinks this thread can be sidetracked with a discussion of Borders 101

I wonder where that thought could have come from. Could it be because there was a demonstrated ignorance on borders and immigration policy?


I think Abbott has many more tools he may utilize.

The hypocrisy comes in when you understand how borders, laws and immigration systems work but don't care that they are being subverted for political ends.


Hope that clears things up.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

What on earth are you babbling about now Network?

I believe in my heart that you understand that what's happening is barbaric. You also know where I stand

You'll have to work out where you stand for your own self. I actually do still believe you'll get there

I'm just fine where I'm at on this. I believe very firmly that a nation of laws, should uphold the laws they made, or change the #ing laws. Currently, the president of the US, told all these people to come. I have the video. And now they are coming. Instead of them going through the process of entering the US legally, they just pay the cartels, the little girls give up a little to the gang members, and the men who can't afford to pay the extortion fees, are made to be drug mules or worse. But forget all about the suffering there, we need to not just allow them to come in and be shipped anywhere they ask, while the people who came here legally, are ignored by you and yours.

I doubt very much you have the capacity to see this from a justice perspective, but I really did think you could see the humanitarian side, not the one you imagine exists, but the real one. The ugly one.

If you have the means, go to the border, and speak to the agents there. Find out first hand what's going on. If I'm wrong, they will tell you pretty fast. I'm not.

Rather than blubber about how mean people are being, we need the immigration laws fixed, the asylum laws fixed, and the border to be secured. Just as you don't let anyone in your house, you shouldn't let anyone just waltz into your country. You find out who they are and what their intentions are. You make sure they have the means to support themselves.

I'm not optimistic that you will ever see this from the correct side of history, but years down the road, after we are talking about the next 9-11 that just happened, maybe the clue bird will take a dump on your head and you will open your eyes just a tiny bit.

Under President Biden and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) sources have confirmed over 1.7 million known gotaways at the Southwest border.

link to official source

how many of those does it take to kill a bunch of Americans? And why did they run away from border patrol when they would have been let in, and given a free ride? Ask a friend.

a reply to: JinMI

The hypocrisy comes in when you understand how borders, laws and immigration systems work but don't care that they are being subverted for political ends.

But, mon ami - this would make you the hypocrite