Let's Talk About Vivek (Because No One Wants To)

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TzarChasm

" I don't know what "playa" means in this context. Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate."



playa - A Considered Serious Candidate Involved in Political Discourse with the Backing of Factions of the Republican Party in the Not to Distant Future .

The only way he can "lose" is if he gives up, and if the DNC aren't giving up I suspect he won't either.

Let trump give it his absolute best and if he falls short, vivek will gladly finish what he started. That 1776 vibe can't be extinguished unless the America First movement stops lighting fires (metaphorically and not like BLM/Antifa)

In that sense, he's not just a playa but a winna.

Some People in this Country Think that Vivek's Real Intentions coming into the Political Ring are Suspect . He is either a Really Good Actor or a Genuine American Patriot . What do You Think ?

A development:

Personally I think Trump's team has done some internal polling and are beginning to feel threatened by Vivek's meteoric rise. I wanted them to team up... but if Trump forces me to choose sides... I'm starting to lean towards Vivek for many of the reasons stated in the OP.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TzarChasm

" I don't know what "playa" means in this context. Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate."



playa - A Considered Serious Candidate Involved in Political Discourse with the Backing of Factions of the Republican Party in the Not to Distant Future .

The only way he can "lose" is if he gives up, and if the DNC aren't giving up I suspect he won't either.

Let trump give it his absolute best and if he falls short, vivek will gladly finish what he started. That 1776 vibe can't be extinguished unless the America First movement stops lighting fires (metaphorically and not like BLM/Antifa)

In that sense, he's not just a playa but a winna.

Some People in this Country Think that Vivek's Real Intentions coming into the Political Ring are Suspect . He is either a Really Good Actor or a Genuine American Patriot . What do You Think ?

FYI...

We can remove Vivek from any consideration of a 2025 Trump Admin position. From former/next President Donald Trump earlier this evening on Vivek Ramaswamy, ahead of the Iowa Caucuses, 48 hours from now.

Image of his written message to Republicans: gettr.com...

Oh well... 🤷‍♀️

Both of them have a direct pipeline to the wellspring of verbal douchebaggery.
The problem for Trump is that Vivek is better at it. He can’t exist in Trump’s world.
He’s quicker, he knows more words. Bigger multi syllabic words.
Vivek is still nuttier than a Payday bar, but he’d run circles around Trump if Don wasn’t afraid to debate him.

He needs another pantywaist like Pence to sit quietly and nod his head.
The limelight will not be shared in the land of Trump.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: TzarChasm

" I don't know what "playa" means in this context. Perhaps you would be kind enough to elaborate."



playa - A Considered Serious Candidate Involved in Political Discourse with the Backing of Factions of the Republican Party in the Not to Distant Future .

The only way he can "lose" is if he gives up, and if the DNC aren't giving up I suspect he won't either.

Let trump give it his absolute best and if he falls short, vivek will gladly finish what he started. That 1776 vibe can't be extinguished unless the America First movement stops lighting fires (metaphorically and not like BLM/Antifa)

In that sense, he's not just a playa but a winna.

Some People in this Country Think that Vivek's Real Intentions coming into the Political Ring are Suspect . He is either a Really Good Actor or a Genuine American Patriot . What do You Think ?

You would need to explain why his intentions are suspect and why that precludes him from aspiring to presidential office.

a reply to: WeMustCare

Well now, that just makes me more fond of Vivek as a presidential candidate.



It would be real kind of you to include a screenshot so those unable to access Gettr can see the substance of your remarks.

Quite an accomplishment from Vivek to not say the obvious about Putin , whole World knows Putin is terrorist and war criminal .




The thing that unite Vivek, Trump and maybe Kennnedy also is they dont have a clue about foreign policy.

Trump giving earlyer statements that he dont like NATO or similar....Vivek giving he`s own odd statements ..

The thing is , there is high change the whole US superpower status will be flushed down the toilet if other nations loose trust to USA , and that`s exactly what we are near here if some of those get elected and start the crap .

Once the nations that has been US ally turn back to it , the ship will start sink process .

When you loose the trust , it`s bad ...

a reply to: Kenzo

His foreign policy is simple. America comes first. Our national interest is THE priority. There's no shame in cleaning house and retooling our security and economic infrastructure before playing superhero to the rest of the world.

a reply to: network dude

IT'S CUZ HE'S BROWN.

Correct. And had he run as a Democrat, he might have stood a chance.

But he can't do that, can he? He's got to be a Republican. Why? Because he is typical of the Brahmin priest-caste from which he springs: instinctively feudal, crypto-imperialist -- right-wing in terms of that time and place. Part of a colonial native elite that secured and reinforced its ancient privileges by shining the shoes of the British...

His parents immigrated from Palakkad district in Kerala, where the family had an ancestral home in a traditional agraharam in the town of Vadakkencherry. Wikipedia

...and would have stepped into those shoes in due course, had it not been that the current of postcolonial politics in South India ran against them. Kerala, the Ramasamys' home state, has been dominated by Communist and Socialist parties since 1956. The locals are largely Christian now -- and none too keen on Brahmins, who oppressed the 'inferior' castes in Kerala so brutally that people converted to escape the system.

Kicked off their elite pedestal at home, Vivek's family emigrated to Gold Mountain (early Chinese immigrants' name for the USA in case you didn't know) and, leveraging the advantages of private English-language education and Westernized manners they had acquired in India, prospered mightily.

Now they're American. Not just any Americans, though. They -- in common with a vast number of middle-class Indian-Americans -- identify specifically with White elite culture. Though among their own folk they complain about White racism and the problems they face gaining acceptance, it is to the upper stratum of the White community that they aspire to belong. They don't want to add an Indian flavour to the great American melting pot. They want to be white. Fifth Avenue White. Hamptons White.

Vivek, like Nikki Haley (and very much unlike Kamala Harris) is making a risky punt on the assumption that White America -- Republican America, MAGA America -- is finally ready to embrace them as their own.

I think they're nuts. Not that I don't believe they (or anyone else) should not be so embraced. Racism of any kind makes me want to puke. But I shall be delighted if White Republican racism keeps Ramasamy ('Priest of Rama', lol) away from any public US office -- as I think it will. One look at him should be enough to convince any sensible soul that he's a shallow, self-serving creep.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: network dude

IT'S CUZ HE'S BROWN.

Correct. And had he run as a Democrat, he might have stood a chance.

But he can't do that, can he, because he is typical of the crypto-Fascist South Indian elite that originally prospered by shining the shoes of the British...

His parents immigrated from Palakkad district in Kerala, where the family had an ancestral home in a traditional agraharam in the town of Vadakkencherry. Wikipedia

...and would have stepped into those shoes in due course, had it not been that the course of postcolonial politics in South India ran against them. Kerala, the Ramasamys' home state, has been dominated by Communist and Socialist parties since 1956. They're none too keen on Brahmins (the elite Hindu priestly caste) and their 'Aryan' pretensions either. The Ramasamys are Brahmins.

Kicked off their elite pedestal at home, Vivek's family emigrated to Gold Mountain (early Chinese immigrants' name for the USA in case you didn't know) and, leveraging the advantages of private English-language education and Westernized manners they had acquired in India, prospered mightily.

Now they're American. Not just any Americans, though. They -- in common with a vast number of middle-class Indian-Americans -- identify specifically with White elite culture. Though among their own folk they complain about White racism and the problems they face gaining acceptance, it is to the upper stratum of the White community that they aspire to be assimilated. They don't want to add an Indian flavour to the great American melting pot. They want to be white. Fifth Avenue White. Hamptons White.

Vivek, like Nikki Haley (and very much unlike Kamala Harris) is making a risky punt on the assumption that White America -- Republican America, MAGA America -- is finally ready to embrace them as their own.

I think they're nuts. Not that I don't believe they (or anyone else) should not be so embraced. Racism of any kind makes me want to puke. But I shall be delighted if White Republican racism keeps him away from any public office -- as I think it will One look at him should be enough to convince anyonee that he's a self-serving creep.

that's the only kind there is, amirite!

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: network dude

IT'S CUZ HE'S BROWN.

Correct. And had he run as a Democrat, he might have stood a chance.

But he can't do that, can he, because he is typical of the crypto-Fascist South Indian elite that originally prospered by shining the shoes of the British...

His parents immigrated from Palakkad district in Kerala, where the family had an ancestral home in a traditional agraharam in the town of Vadakkencherry. Wikipedia

...and would have stepped into those shoes in due course, had it not been that the course of postcolonial politics in South India ran against them. Kerala, the Ramasamys' home state, has been dominated by Communist and Socialist parties since 1956. They're none too keen on Brahmins (the elite Hindu priestly caste) and their 'Aryan' pretensions either. The Ramasamys are Brahmins.

Kicked off their elite pedestal at home, Vivek's family emigrated to Gold Mountain (early Chinese immigrants' name for the USA in case you didn't know) and, leveraging the advantages of private English-language education and Westernized manners they had acquired in India, prospered mightily.

Now they're American. Not just any Americans, though. They -- in common with a vast number of middle-class Indian-Americans -- identify specifically with White elite culture. Though among their own folk they complain about White racism and the problems they face gaining acceptance, it is to the upper stratum of the White community that they aspire to be assimilated. They don't want to add an Indian flavour to the great American melting pot. They want to be white. Fifth Avenue White. Hamptons White.

Vivek, like Nikki Haley (and very much unlike Kamala Harris) is making a risky punt on the assumption that White America -- Republican America, MAGA America -- is finally ready to embrace them as their own.

I think they're nuts. Not that I don't believe they (or anyone else) should not be so embraced. Racism of any kind makes me want to puke. But I shall be delighted if White Republican racism keeps Ramasamy ('Priest of Rama', lol) away from any public US office -- as I think it will. One look at him should be enough to convince any sensible soul that he's a shallow, self-serving creep.

Wow. That's a whole lot of not evidence.

I appreciate the effort you put into organizing your thoughts coherently, but yeah. No evidence of criminal intent or criminal activity. If it was trump you had criticized in this language with no actual basis for accusing besides some cleverly worded cultural implications, you'd be summarily labeled a RINO.

ITS CUZ HE'S BROWN indeed.

a reply to: TzarChasm

The World will fill the power vacuum once it noticed nobody will stop them , that`s the game and has been long time . There is allways a struggle between different actors/forces . We would most likely live now in USSR here in Europe if there would not been the other force what keep them out.

It goes also vice versa, if the US would have great catastrophe/disaster others like the EU or NATO would give help to US .

originally posted by: spacedoubt
Vivek is still nuttier than a Payday bar,

I guess there's zero chance you might actually be able to provide one or two examples of why you think he is ]nuttier than a [Payday bar'...

a reply to: TzarChasm

ITS CUZ HE'S BROWN indeed.

Oh, I entirely agree. And if I had been White that might have scored you a debating point, but since I'm not (and neither am I Indian, btw), you'll have to be content with a pat on the back for agreeing with me.

But sure, you're right: I adduce no evidence of criminal intent or criminal activity whatsoever. Is that how you select your candidates for public office, then? Judge their fitness by whether or not they've been convicted of crimes? No wonder American politics in such a sewer.

No, I was just trying to explain Vivek in terms of his background and culture. If you can't see that I wrote from knowledge, and in good faith, I don't rate your perceptivity very highly. Of course, I may be wrong about the fellow; but given what I know about people like him, it would be much against the odds.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: TzarChasm

ITS CUZ HE'S BROWN indeed.

Oh, I entirely agree. And if I had been White that might have scored you a debating point, but since I'm not (and neither am I Indian, btw), you'll have to be content with a pat on the back for agreeing with me.

But sure, you're right: I adduce no evidence of criminal intent or criminal activity whatsoever. Is that how you select your candidates for public office, then? Judge their fitness by whether or not they've been convicted of crimes? No wonder American politics in such a sewer.

No, I was just trying to explain Vivek in terms of his background and culture. If you can't see that I wrote from knowledge, and in good faith, I don't rate your perceptivity very highly. Of course, I may be wrong about the fellow; but given what I know about people like him, it would be much against the odds.

LOL, you don't see it do you?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

1. Vivek has a strong understanding of constitution and laws. Trump failed his first term because he got duped by the "experts".

But does that make a good President? Obama did too and he used that skill to skirt around it as much as possible.

2. Vivek has a better connect with younger generation. As a self-made entrepreneur and author of multiple books, Vivek can inspire more young people as a role-model. Most of the younger generation tends to vote Democratic, he can educate them and inspire them to try a different approach.

Maybe true to a point, but why is he not filling stadiums then? He is still a sideshow compared to people like Charlie Kirk and Tim Pool and that isn't saying much.

3. Vivek is more well-read, well-spoken and intelligent. His approach is more unifying and more relatable to both sides as seen in his podcasts and conflicts with protesters. Other candidates approach are often more crude and divisive, which is not good when we are this close to a civil war.

Could just be a flash in the pan. Looks and talks good, but what is he like under massive pressure? We know what Trump is like and he swims in it easily. I would like Vivek to maybe get his feet wet first before we push him right into the top job.

4. Vivek is self-funded, which allows him to speak on issues like eminent domain, monopolizing and lobbying, censorship, etc. No super PACs required.

Like Trump has a filter...lol

5. Vivek is promising to shut down corrupt government agencies. Who else can we expect to deliver on this.

The same thing Trump has said.. Remember "Drain the swamp"??? With Trump the first time around he found out just how deep that swamp is. A president has tremendously more power in their second term than their first. Gloves come off in the second as they don't need to give a F.

6. Vivek is more energetic (almost 500 events last year, hundreds of virtual summits and podcasts). He has the motivation and enthusiasm to pursue every enemy, reinforce every border, and outwit every antagonist (annoying but not criminal) who wants to undermine our nation.

Trump is pretty energetic he can talk for hours in a stadium full of people without a teleprompter. He also only sleeps like 3 hours a night and still runs rings around younger people, so where is the Vivek advantage here?

7. Vivek does not like playing victim, his campaign is based off his gratitude. Affirmative action, humility, transparency and common core values.

Does Trump? Maybe the press, Liberals, and 1/2 of the Republican Government might give him an easier time...if he plays ball just right.

8. Trump grew the economy by taking enormous debt (8 trillion) while lowering taxes & interest rates. These measures help the rich more than the poor, resulting in highest Debt/GDP ratio in US history. He cannot repeat these steps in his second term without turning US bankrupt. Vivek's approach is about improving GDP and stabilizing USD without playing with debt/taxes/interest rates.

OK I need to pull the BS flag here...

4 trillion of that 8 was COVID, also the President doesn't control interest rates, and what do interest rates have anything to do with National debt? If COVID didn't happen Trump would be at 20% increase or less. Obama was over 40% and Bush was like 100%+ increases.

OK, so are you saying Vivek wants to reduce spending and increase taxes? He can increase taxes, but what is he going to do with Congress in his face to spend less? Also, it is a misconception that Trump's tax cuts only helped the rich, that there is a liberal talking point. The middle class got great benefits AND the actual big part was to lower business taxes to make America competitive again with the world. We have some of the highest, so why do you think companies go overseas anyway?

originally posted by: Xtrozero


Could just be a flash in the pan. Looks and talks good, but what is he like under massive pressure? We know what Trump is like and he swims in it easily. I would like Vivek to maybe get his feet wet first before we push him right into the top job.

this one stands out to me. He sounds good, but so did my kids when they were trying to explain why they were in a sh!t load of trouble.

a reply to: Kenzo

and the current milk toast cic isnt damaging the US on the world stage?

everybody with 2 brain cells knows outside of about 15 mins a day when the drugs actually work he isnt in charge.

Looks like the bromance between Vivek and trump is over. Pity....they were such a cute couple!

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