South Africa files Genocide case against Israel at ICJ

a reply to: Another_Nut

Spot on.

"If you are doing this, not saying you are, just stop it. OK?

Pathetic and toothless anyway.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gortex


It's nice to see South Africa take a break from killing all white South Africans to condemn Israel for defending itself.

South Africa only cares about certain mass killings. Does South Africa provide anything meaningful to the world? Can Israel safely ignore what South Africa demands?

SOuth Africa is the USA's biggest African trading partner..
5th biggest coal exporter in the world.
First heart transplant
Biggest ever diamond
Leading producer of platinum

You look like a bit of a fool asking what the 3rd largest African economy provides for the worold

originally posted by: FlyersFan
South Africa ... which currently has a genocide of white people going on ... comes down on Israel for defending itself and falsely accuses it of genocide while at the same time South Africa ignores the fact that the "Palestinians" and Hamas actually really ARE calling for genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel, and the 'Palestinians' and Hamas are engaging in terrorism to make that happen.

South Africa is obviously f'd up. Screw 'em.

WHere do you get this bogus info from. I am a white South African. there is no white genocide. There is massive racial tension but no genocide

Staggering how little you all know about South Africa. Even worse the blatant uneducated assumptions you all make of a place you probably couldn't point out on a map.. *Hint, its on the southern tip of Africa

originally posted by: orbhunter
These South African's are as racist as they come. Turn on Israel accusing them of genocide while all the while they turn a blind eye to the murder of thousands and thousands of native SA'n Boers

THOUSANDS?? Where do you get these figures. In 2020 there were 41 farm murders. Not all white. In 2021 there were 63 farm murders. Not all white.

ALso, these SOuth Africans are racist? We have an extremely complex past full of racial tension. But a part from giving it a name it is the EXACT same treatment America gave their 'African-American' people. And in Australia they literally hunted aboriginal people.
You know nothing of SOuth Africans. The average South African is not a racist. We work, socialise and live with multiple ethnicities, cultures and creeds. We have 11 official languages. You have absolutely no clue on how or what we feel

You're spewing absolute garbage here, mate

originally posted by: Saibot3052

You look like a bit of a fool asking what the 3rd largest African economy provides for the worold

Ok. Which means it’s the 40th economy in the world? California alone may become the world’s 4th largest economy. And Even Pakistan is ranked higher than South Africa.

South Africa
How’s Life?

www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org...


When asked to rate their general satisfaction with life on a scale from 0 to 10, South Africans gave it a 4.9 grade on average, much lower than the OECD average of 6.7.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Saibot3052

You look like a bit of a fool asking what the 3rd largest African economy provides for the worold

Ok. Which means it’s the 40th economy in the world? California alone may become the world’s 4th largest economy. And Even Pakistan is ranked higher than South Africa.

South Africa
How’s Life?

www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org...


When asked to rate their general satisfaction with life on a scale from 0 to 10, South Africans gave it a 4.9 grade on average, much lower than the OECD average of 6.7.

WHat bogus survey was this. I was never asked how life is here. Nor have any of my friends or family been asked. Literally cherry picking meaningless stats to support a narrative you know nothing about.

Also, California could be the 4th largest economy... Well done. A strawman argument. you asked what SOuth Africa contributes to the world. I told you.. There are 195 countries on earth.. Not everyone can be number one. Particularly the ones in Africa where the western powers have raped and pillaged all our resources.. Israel is 29th. Are you suggesting only top economies have a say in human rights affairs. What self righteous madness is that Living up to your name on here.. LAZY!

originally posted by: Saibot3052

originally posted by: orbhunter
These South African's are as racist as they come. Turn on Israel accusing them of genocide while all the while they turn a blind eye to the murder of thousands and thousands of native SA'n Boers

THOUSANDS?? Where do you get these figures. In 2020 there were 41 farm murders. Not all white. In 2021 there were 63 farm murders. Not all white.

ALso, these SOuth Africans are racist? We have an extremely complex past full of racial tension. But a part from giving it a name it is the EXACT same treatment America gave their 'African-American' people. And in Australia they literally hunted aboriginal people.
You know nothing of SOuth Africans. The average South African is not a racist. We work, socialise and live with multiple ethnicities, cultures and creeds. We have 11 official languages. You have absolutely no clue on how or what we feel

You're spewing absolute garbage here, mate

You need to raed your figures, farm crime is an issue in SA, thousands of farmers and their workers have been killed, all the while your government banned the protection teams Commando from defending your farms. By banning the Commando system they green lighted the attacks. Thousands have been killed since early 90's a fact! If your governemnt wanted this stopped they could use what was the meanest fighting force in the whole of Africa to curtail this war on farmers. They haven't.

Now your authorities have taken your Jewish national youth cricket captain to account and stripped him of the youth captaincy BECAUSE HE IS JEWISH. If that happened in a 'normal' state there would be uproar, yet in a historical racist state like RSA it's seen as acceptable, maybe part of the norm

originally posted by: orbhunter

originally posted by: Saibot3052

originally posted by: orbhunter
These South African's are as racist as they come. Turn on Israel accusing them of genocide while all the while they turn a blind eye to the murder of thousands and thousands of native SA'n Boers

THOUSANDS?? Where do you get these figures. In 2020 there were 41 farm murders. Not all white. In 2021 there were 63 farm murders. Not all white.

ALso, these SOuth Africans are racist? We have an extremely complex past full of racial tension. But a part from giving it a name it is the EXACT same treatment America gave their 'African-American' people. And in Australia they literally hunted aboriginal people.
You know nothing of SOuth Africans. The average South African is not a racist. We work, socialise and live with multiple ethnicities, cultures and creeds. We have 11 official languages. You have absolutely no clue on how or what we feel

You're spewing absolute garbage here, mate

You need to raed your figures, farm crime is an issue in SA, thousands of farmers and their workers have been killed, all the while your government banned the protection teams Commando from defending your farms. By banning the Commando system they green lighted the attacks. Thousands have been killed since early 90's a fact! If your governemnt wanted this stopped they could use what was the meanest fighting force in the whole of Africa to curtail this war on farmers. They haven't.

Now your authorities have taken your Jewish national youth cricket captain to account and stripped him of the youth captaincy BECAUSE HE IS JEWISH. If that happened in a 'normal' state there would be uproar, yet in a historical racist state like RSA it's seen as acceptable, maybe part of the norm

Yet another person spewing nonsense.. Thousands since the 90s?. Thats 30 years mate.. . And it isn't thousands. The number is 1544 people killed. It equates to 50 people per year and there is no way of telling how many of those were robberies and how many were premeditated murders. One of them was a white kid killing his own family with an axe.. Van Breda.. Hardly genocide numbers.
Also what mean fighting force.
You aren't seriously calling our excuse for a defense force a 'mean fighting force' are you?? Its 2024, we barely have a defense force. We have 70000 active members and the SANDF is an absolute joke compared to what it was in the 1980s.
'Farm crime is an issue'... no ALL crime is an issue. Farms are harder to protect and therefore do suffer from violent crimes. We have some of the highest crime stats in the world. 77 people are murdered here every single day. They are of ALL races, creeds and cultures. Doesn't make it genocide. It is just poor governance. You've read a couple of articles about a place you have NEVER been to and made assumptions about it. The absolute audacity of people assuming they know more about my own country because they read some fricken news.

Also they didn't strip him because he is jewish, they stripped his captaincy because his political comments put the team at risk. HUgely hypocritical for white jews in SA to start talking about land grabs and who belongs where when ALL whites in Africa have been occupying land for 400 years. If they care so much about it then they should go back to Europe where they came from. And just for the record, I am a white South African

a reply to: Saibot3052

Murders have been increasing consistently in South Africa over the past decade, reaching a high of 45 deaths per 100 000 people in 2023. On average, 75 people were killed every day over the last year.

“In 2023, South Africa ranked first in the crime index among African countries, with a score of 75.5 index points. Somalia was the second most dangerous country on the continent, obtaining 66.7 points.”
www.statista.com...

Higher than the skinnies in Somalia. 😳
That is no small feat.

The murder rate per capita has increased from 33.5 per 100,000 during the COVID-19 period (2020/21) to 45 per 100,000 in 2022/23.
Thats second in the world. Only El Salvador is higher at 52 murders per 100k.
worldpopulationreview.com...
What’s your every day carry?

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Saibot3052

Murders have been increasing consistently in South Africa over the past decade, reaching a high of 45 deaths per 100 000 people in 2023. On average, 75 people were killed every day over the last year.

“In 2023, South Africa ranked first in the crime index among African countries, with a score of 75.5 index points. Somalia was the second most dangerous country on the continent, obtaining 66.7 points.”
www.statista.com...

Higher than the skinnies in Somalia. 😳
That is no small feat.

The murder rate per capita has increased from 33.5 per 100,000 during the COVID-19 period (2020/21) to 45 per 100,000 in 2022/23.
Thats second in the world. Only El Salvador is higher at 52 murders per 100k.
worldpopulationreview.com...
What’s your every day carry?

Yes, these stats are correct but this is murders overall. White, black, brown, purple, yellow. Every ethnicity is included here. It is not a systematic genocide. It is crime. Very violent horrible crime but it is not evidence of a genocide

a reply to: Saibot3052

Anothere xample of racist SA'n cricket after the Dani Tieger affair? So Kevin Pietersen left SA cricket for the weather of Britain?????????????? Nah I don't think so, more like due to the racist quota system that deprives the best from serving their country. Similar to the quota systems to elevate people in business regadless of their talent just on the colour of their ski n. The thing is you locals can't see it can you? The amount of SA'n people I've met here in the UK and elsewhere who've left SA due to being forced out of finding work due to their complexion and it being a barrier to employment, if that isn't racist then heaven knows. I guess your new bosses learnt from their old masters

Hey I'm not anti SA Saibot3052. Just adding to the discussion. I've travelled all over southern Africa form the Angola border down to the southern tip of Cape. Best place ever. Nothing compares. The wildlife as good as it gets, people and various cultures, food, sports, amazing and diverse scenery, fishing, weather, general buzz of life in the place, nothing compares, nowhere comes close. If I can shake off the shackles here in the UK I do keep the dream alive of living for a few years in Camps Bay one day. Fantastic country

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Saibot3052

Anothere xample of racist SA'n cricket after the Dani Tieger affair? So Kevin Pietersen left SA cricket for the weather of Britain?????????????? Nah I don't think so, more like due to the racist quota system that deprives the best from serving their country. Similar to the quota systems to elevate people in business regadless of their talent just on the colour of their ski n. The thing is you locals can't see it can you? The amount of SA'n people I've met here in the UK and elsewhere who've left SA due to being forced out of finding work due to their complexion and it being a barrier to employment, if that isn't racist then heaven knows. I guess your new bosses learnt from their old masters

Hey I'm not anti SA Saibot3052. Just adding to the discussion. I've travelled all over southern Africa form the Angola border down to the southern tip of Cape. Best place ever. Nothing compares. The wildlife as good as it gets, people and various cultures, food, sports, amazing and diverse scenery, fishing, weather, general buzz of life in the place, nothing compares, nowhere comes close. If I can shake off the shackles here in the UK I do keep the dream alive of living for a few years in Camps Bay one day. Fantastic country

We can see that.. definitely can. I am a victim of that quotas system.. And I would agree the new elite took thei reigns from the old ones and simply reversed it. Being a white SOuth African is extremely tough. BUt there is no ongoing genocide. Systematic racism, absolutely.

But we are derailing this thread. I simply wanted to address the fact that there is no genocide here in spite of extremely high murder rates

a reply to: Saibot3052

Thanks for giving us the heads up on the situation mate from the other side of the planet, from the horses mouth so to speak. Nice to know there's no genocide going on over there too. I think people blow things up out of proportion as we get plenty of crazyness over here in the UK, much of it hidden and brushed under the carpet

Gaza population in 1980 was 500,000
Gaza population in 2023 was 2,100,000

South Africa white population in 1983 was 4,700,000
South Africa white population in 2023 is 4,500,000

If one were to try and make a case for genocide in either country, which country would have a better case?
The hypocrisy is deafening.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Gaza population in 1980 was 500,000
Gaza population in 2023 was 2,100,000

South Africa white population in 1983 was 4,700,000
South Africa white population in 2023 is 4,500,000

If one were to try and make a case for genocide in either country, which country would have a better case?
The hypocrisy is deafening.

That is because of Emmigration not murder. What a myopic way to view statistics.

It is estimated that at least 800 000 whites have left the country since 1995.. SO in fact the white population has seen some growth. Albeit small. But don' t let the facts ruin your narrative

Why South Africa? You'd expect this to come from one of Israel's many enemies in the region. Trade interests with muslims in Africa (including investments in South Africa)? Are there a lot of rich muslims that might want to set up shop in SA?

Or are they one of the few governments in the world that actually care about the plight of Palestinian civilians and their children? Less controlled by "lovers of money" and "lovers of themselves" (2Tim 3:2)? A bit hard to believe SA would be different than all the rest.

originally posted by: whereislogic
Why South Africa? You'd expect this to come from one of Israel's many enemies in the region. Trade interests with muslims in Africa (including investments in South Africa)? Are there a lot of rich muslims that might want to set up shop in SA?

Or are they one of the few governments in the world that actually care about the plight of Palestinian civilians and their children? Less controlled by "lovers of money" and "lovers of themselves" (2Tim 3:2)? A bit hard to believe SA would be different than all the rest.

The african national congress has ALWAYS been pro palestine.. SInce Mandela days..

In 1997, while still president of South Africa, he said the ANC's struggle was ongoing. “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

a reply to: Saibot3052

Ah OK, that makes more sense. Guess there is some profit in it after all, at least on the homefront in terms of gaining converts/votes. Given Mandela's popularity in the country.

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Saibot3052

Ah OK, that makes more sense. Guess there is some profit in it after all, at least on the homefront in terms of gaining converts/votes. Given Mandela's popularity in the country.

You'd be surprised how Mandela's popularity is waning while the vast majority of people begin to realise they were sold a lie by the ANC. I have no doubt there is a profit involved and suspect IRan did fund this situation. Such is the extensive corruption within the ANC.