Colorado to include Trump on 2024 primary ballot as state GOP appeals to Supreme Court

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you have an insurrection against yourself?

Trump wasn't a king. He was a representative of The People, elected by The People to defend the Constitution for The People. They're arguing that trying to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes was an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, and a violation of his oath.

Cool Idea......that means Joe Biden can be disqualified for influence peddling.......no trial needed....just the accusation.

Joe Biden isn't being accused of influence peddling, his son, Hunter Biden is. Secondly, influence peddling, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Sookiechacha

How can you have an insurrection against yourself? He was the sitting government.

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Read section 3 of the 14th amendment. It states in part:

"No person shall .... hold any office, civil or military, under the United States ..... who, having previously taken an oath, as .... an officer of the United States ... to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

The insurrection was against the Constitution. It attempted to defeat the process specified in the Constitution for the peaceful transfer of power from one elected POTUS to the next one.

I've noticed that for some reason Donald Trump and his worshippers don't seem to be intellectually capable of distinguishing between 1) the office of POTUS, which is a position of authority and responsibility established under the Constitution and 2) the individual person who happens to be occupying the office at the time. The difference is the difference between a monarchy and a democratic Republic.

Understanding this requires holding a thought in mind that has 2 moving parts. Kind of like walking and chewing gum at the same time.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

Do they think if they repeat it often enough we'll somehow believe it ?

Believe that Trump was convicted, when he hasn't been, or believe that Trump engaged in insurrection?

I think that Donald Trump himself has pretty much confessed to having engaged in a plot to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden. Trump's defense is not that he didn't "do it", but that he, as POTUS, had absolute immunity.

Now, whether or not the states have standing to make this determination is a very valid question. I guess we'll find out when SCOTUS finally addresses the issue.

If I say that YOU have engaged in insurrection, what defence can you offer?

a reply to: Boomer1947

One. Biden and his administration have failed to act as the executive branch to enforce immigration laws.

Two. Let me know when Trump is found guilty in a court of law by a jury.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

A conviction is not cited as a requirement that is in the 14th Amendment, Section 3, as a disqualification for office.

Here you go again.

It's not in The 14th because it's in The Constitution. Due process and etc.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Election interference charges are not necessarily insurrection.

And innocent until proven guilty is guaranteed.

The 14th does not apply.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Still no proof of insurrection. Stop it 🤣🤣🍄

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you have an insurrection against yourself?

Trump wasn't a king. He was a representative of The People, elected by The People to defend the Constitution for The People. They're arguing that trying to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes was an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, and a violation of his oath.

Cool Idea......that means Joe Biden can be disqualified for influence peddling.......no trial needed....just the accusation.

Joe Biden isn't being accused of influence peddling, his son, Hunter Biden is. Secondly, influence peddling, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

Do you understand that no president can be criminally charged for actions in office unless there is a legislative process first?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It's not supposed to be justice.

roflol you've lost it. You've flipped your lid 🤣🤣

Stop it and save yourself for God's Sake.

a reply to: Boomer1947

You questioning other peoples intelligence is the greatest laugh ill have this year.

Thank you our dear Wiki proponent

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: DAVID64

Do they think if they repeat it often enough we'll somehow believe it ?

Believe that Trump was convicted, when he hasn't been, or believe that Trump engaged in insurrection?

I think that Donald Trump himself has pretty much confessed to having engaged in a plot to stop Congress from certifying Joe Biden. Trump's defense is not that he didn't "do it", but that he, as POTUS, had absolute immunity.

Now, whether or not the states have standing to make this determination is a very valid question. I guess we'll find out when SCOTUS finally addresses the issue.

If I say that YOU have engaged in insurrection, what defence can you offer?

Game, set and match.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you have an insurrection against yourself?

Trump wasn't a king. He was a representative of The People, elected by The People to defend the Constitution for The People. They're arguing that trying to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes was an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, and a violation of his oath.

Cool Idea......that means Joe Biden can be disqualified for influence peddling.......no trial needed....just the accusation.

Joe Biden isn't being accused of influence peddling, his son, Hunter Biden is. Secondly, influence peddling, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

No , they BOTH are , and Excepting Bribes is Illegal .

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you have an insurrection against yourself?

Trump wasn't a king. He was a representative of The People, elected by The People to defend the Constitution for The People. They're arguing that trying to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes was an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, and a violation of his oath.

Cool Idea......that means Joe Biden can be disqualified for influence peddling.......no trial needed....just the accusation.

Joe Biden isn't being accused of influence peddling, his son, Hunter Biden is. Secondly, influence peddling, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

Oh but President Biden is implicated and guilty just like when somebody orders a murder and doesn't actually do the killing. 😀

a reply to: Boomer1947

But nobody has proven Trump engaged in an insurrection. It's all hearsay and opinion. You realize how dangerous this is? 😀

a reply to: Boomer1947

None of the Jan6 defendants were charged with insurrection. So there must be no insurrection. 😀

a reply to: WingDingLuey

And innocent until proven guilty is guaranteed.

LOL
That's cute that you think that. It's not guaranteed in the Constitution though.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WingDingLuey

And innocent until proven guilty is guaranteed.

LOL
That's cute that you think that. It's not guaranteed in the Constitution though.

What????

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs

How can you have an insurrection against yourself?

Trump wasn't a king. He was a representative of The People, elected by The People to defend the Constitution for The People. They're arguing that trying to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes was an insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, and a violation of his oath.

Cool Idea......that means Joe Biden can be disqualified for influence peddling.......no trial needed....just the accusation.

Joe Biden isn't being accused of influence peddling, his son, Hunter Biden is. Secondly, influence peddling, unfortunately, isn't illegal.

Do you understand that no president can be criminally charged for actions in office unless there is a legislative process first?

LOL
No. Only Donald Trump thinks that, that he has something called absolute immunity.

a reply to: RickinVa

Show me. Show me in the US Constitution, where it says you are guaranteed the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Show me!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RickinVa

Show me. Show me in the US Constitution, where it says you are guaranteed the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Show me!

That's the most ignorant thing you have posted.


Again I will ask you and expect an answer:


Do you understand that no president can be criminally charged for actions in office unless there is a corresponding legislative process first?