Noah's Ark Discovery?

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: FlyersFan
You are just in denial. It's perfectly possible.

No. It's not. The facts have been presented. There isn't enough water on the planet, or in the planet, or in the atmosphere. It's just that simple. NOT ENOUGH WATER. The flood story is impossible. It did not happen. YOU are the one in denial of the facts. Not me.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: TheMindOfMax2

Naw. Not in 4,500 years.

Subduction uplifted the Armenian Highlands and the volcanic arc present in millions of years.

Trying to find a nice short video about it that isn't some pseudoscientific true-believer misindentifying BASIC fold geology or cave wall composition is harder than it should be.

"How Mt. Ararat formed Geology"

Top one is the only worthwhile one, too..

The rest are videos of this stupid "anomaly".

They honestly can't figure out naturaI fold formations, I can't help them, I don't think anyone can.

NOT A GEOLOGY ANNOTATED IMAGE!

For example arrow B points to a "syncline". It's like the first things you learn about after the three basic types of rock. Basic folds.

What it looks like on Google Earth.

It's called The Durupinar Site, it's quite famous for being misunderstood.

A natural rock formation near Dogubayazit, Turkey, has been misidentified as Noah's Ark. Microscopic studies of a supposed iron bracket show that it is derived from weathered volcanic minerals. Supposed metal-braced walls are natural concentrations of limonite and magnetite in steeply inclined sedimentary layers in the limbs of a doubly plunging syncline. Supposed fossilized gopherwood bark is crinkled metamorphosed peridotite. Fossiliferous limestone, interpreted as cross cutting the syncline, preclude the formation from being Noah's Ark because these supposed "Flood" deposits are younger than the "Ark." Anchor stones at Kazan (Arzap) are derived from local andesite and not from Mesopotamia

I think the first video is some completely different site. This is not at 4000 m. The famous and studied Ark is on the base of the highlands around 1,900 m of elevation. Which is still about a mile out of global flood range.

More on the drupinar site


You might actually enjoy this.
He also goes pretty deep with the letters sent to the Lord of eratta (Noah) from Nimrod (Enmerkar) @19:43 mark.
Very interesting video in support of the site

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: FlyersFan

Here is some evidence that the flood happened.
www.astirinch.com...

No. That's really bad and false. There was no 'bottleneck' down to 8 humans in 2400BC. DNA diversity proves this.

Basics of Haplogroups - read here

AND .... China, Egypt and India all have unbroken histories during this time. They THRIVED. Their populations flourished before, during and after the 2400BC time period of the alleged flood. We have their histories. We have their artifacts. Their cultures flourished and grew. AND they kept their pagan gods and native languages all through this time, which would not have happened if they were all descended from Noah.

THERE WAS NO FLOOD AS THE BIBLE CLAIMS.

Since water was brought up

Unbreathable Air

The conventional flood story states that the flood waters came from rain that lasted 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:12).[note 1] Rain appears when the atmosphere can no longer support water in the vapor phase and it becomes saturated. Normally, the atmosphere is on the brink of saturation, and the variations in temperature and pressure caused by weather fronts are capable of altering the threshold at which precipitation will form quite easily. What about the amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for the 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water needed for the global flood? The water vapor currently in the air is only around 2 to 3 percent on average, with a maximum of 4% limited by temperature and pressure.[6] The change in atmospheric conditions required to support enough vapor for 112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day — about 120,000 times more than the current daily rainfall worldwide[7] — would have rendered the air unbreathable.

Indeed, the atmosphere really couldn't sustain that much water even under the most extreme temperature and pressure conditions the planet can produce. If the conditions were right for that much water to be in the atmosphere, humans and virtually every other animal would have drowned through the simple act of breathing, as well as turning the earth into the equivalent of a pressure cooker with atmospheric pressure at nearly a thousand psi instead of the standard 14.7 or so that we have today. In fact, the pressure would have to be at least a thousand atmospheres to fit the 15 kilograms of water per cubic meter required to produce that much rain, which is 1) greater than the pressure at the bottom of the ocean and 2) enough to crush a human so five of them would fit in a soda can. Barring the goddidit escape hatch (a tried and tested fallback for creationists everywhere), this is impossible.

nvm

originally posted by: BukkaWukka
a reply to: BukkaWukka

Youtube, death bed confession of Ron Wyatt.

God will hide things until He determines it right to reveal things. He can make anything happen (such as covering the entire earth in water).

Someone may enjoy reading the comments on here and the details of the last statements from Ron.

The devil loves this argument as he doesn't want anyone to believe that there is proof of Jesus, and the Bible. I say, pray before going on a search to prove or disprove Ron and then pray again about it. God will let you know.

www.youtube.com...

Thank you this great message.
I find this to be greatly building in faith for me.
We are living in wondrous times.
We are the generation they were all witnessing of what was to come.
We get to see it all it seems.
May it all be in glory to our Father above.

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a reply to: TheMindOfMax2

During the flood wouldn't the continents still been one, before the Great Divide?

Or is the Great Divide now a myth?

No myth but the last supercontinent on Earth was Pangaea.

Which existed during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.

Approximately 335 to 175 million years ago.

The tale of Noah's Ark originates from around 5000 to 6000 years ago.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheMindOfMax2

During the flood wouldn't the continents still been one, before the Great Divide?

Or is the Great Divide now a myth?

No myth but the last supercontinent on Earth was Pangaea.


Which existed during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras.

Approximately 335 to 175 million years ago.

The tale of Noah's Ark originates from around 5000 to 6000 years ago.

Cite your sources or be ever known as a plagiarism.
When you copy and paste wiki or a Google cite your source please.
We deserve who we are actually addressing, you or google

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

If you could simply prove I'm plagiarising anything i suggest that you do so.

I've asked you already, twice now, and you have crapped your breeks on both occasions.

Maybe one of your "iscilloscopes" could help?

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I wonder what you will be forever known as?

theconversation.com...#:~:text=Pangaea%20was%20the%20Earth' s%20latest,attached%20to%20Ireland%20and%20Portugal.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.earth.com...

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Cite your sources or be ever known as a plagiarism.
When you copy and paste wiki or a Google cite your source please.
We deserve who we are actually addressing, you or google

I already posted that information on page 2
READ THE THREAD.

The flood was supposed to take place in 2400 BC.
The continents haven't been all together for 500 million years.
HERE

originally posted by: TheArchivist

originally posted by: andy06shake
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This post has been chosen for the archives.....

He plagiarized you and never gave you credit?
Same thing

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Cite your sources or be ever known as a plagiarism.
When you copy and paste wiki or a Google cite your source please.
We deserve who we are actually addressing, you or google

I already posted that information on page 2
READ THE THREAD.

The flood was supposed to take place in 2400 BC.
The continents haven't been all together for 500 million years.
HERE

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I think you might have learned a new word and don't quite understand what it means.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I'll give it a watch... But... all those roads leads to a HEAVY theology filter. It's always like leading science to confirm theology. Instead of seeing where it actually lines up.

And here's another unsolicited long answer.

My problem with Genesis is its hard to draw historical record from an adapted story. That was exaggerated to tall tale proportions.

Fine as parable. Nothing against it in that regard, History it is not. At least not directly, here's my reasoning.

Like we know the history. There's no room for Noah.

2400 BCE between the Tigres and Euphrates Rivers puts 600 year old Noah right by present day Al Gharib, Iraq, when lifespans were certainly known to be much shorter. Meaning Noah should belive in An, Enil, Enki, and the other one. It was right before the outset of The Akkadian Empire.

Noah was placed in the same spot as Gilgamesh (the 3rd Mesopotamian flood story) Whose epic was composed in Akkadian during the Middle babylonian period. 1200 BCE, despite being partly told in poems and tidbits going back to the Akkadian downfall, in the 2100s BCE.

Because it's pretty much an adaptive version of the Sumer/Akkadian then Babylonian flood stories, I can't really consider it anything historical.

But therein is your biblical flood. Because that one actually has non-bias sediment data. 3 times it flooded actually. There are several REAL sedimentary flood layers in; 3500 BCE, 2900 BCE, and the worst one in 2600.

Flood myths were PERVASIVE in Mesopotamia. Must have been prone to happening or something.

And theirs are actually WAY more believable.

NOT ALWAYS GILGAMESH, but also an earlier King named Utnapishtim.

Uta-napishtim is the eighth of the antediluvian kings in Mesopotamian legend, just as Noah is the eighth from Enoch in Genesis.[1] He would have lived around 2900 BC, corresponding to the flood deposit at Shuruppak between the Jemdet Nasr and Early Dynastic levels

Both Utnapishtim and Gilgamesh survived a flood in a boat.

The Atra-Hasis tablets include both a creation myth and one of three surviving Babylonian flood myths. The name "Atra-Hasis" also appears, as king of Shuruppak in the times before a flood, on one of the Sumerian King Lists.

3 big floods, 3 separate Babylonian (Sumer/Akkadian) flood myths.

It is generally considered the story surrounding Utnapishtim was the story adapted by The Hebrews.

What also makes me not take this story literally is, there was no break in anything civilization wise, ever. Here are the main ones ONLY IN IRAQ:

Sumer = 5500 - 1800 BCE
Akkad = 2334 - 2154 BCE
Ur III Dynasty = 2112 - 2004 BCE
Babylonia = 1854 - 539 BCE
Assyria = 2025 - 609 BCE

There's never been a break in civilization, even with floods. They recorded important ones that destroyed cities. Never been without an active empire.

They're like plot holes. Massive plot holes that weren't considered when Genesis was written under Persian rule. Things like the continuity of messopotamian civilization before them.

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
He plagiarized you and never gave you credit?

Nope. I don't think you understand the word 'plagiarized'.

originally posted by: TheMindOfMax2
a reply to: FlyersFan

During the flood wouldn't the continents still been one, before the Great Divide?

Or is the Great Divide now a myth?

I love how "scientists" cannot seem to agree, or even agree to disagree, and contradict themselves. My Grandpa remembers the glowing screens lying about an Ice Age. Now it's Fire Age Doom porn.

When do we finally accept the fact that science is nothing but a guessing game that hides the true intent of disproving the existence of God, because that's ALL science is, it's damn sure not trying to improve mankind. That was proven with C19 and vaccination lies.

The problem with the story of the ark is that it's quite recent and allegedly happened a few thousand years ago but the pangea covers the period between 300 and 200 million years ago. The separation of pangea is not a myth but the ark of Noah is most likely the great myth used even in our days yo generate conversations.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
He plagiarized you and never gave you credit?

Nope. I don't think you understand the word 'plagiarized'.

How funny.
Do you want to know what's funny?
He went to another thread and claimed I didn't understand what plagiarism is That I did not understand what the word means.LOL.
Funny huh?

He Googles and wikis and steals your jokes.
He is the Amy Shumer of ats.
Lol

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

He went to another thread and claimed I didn't understand what plagiarism is.
Funny huh?

You mean you made the same unfounded accusation in another thread where you were promptly called on the matter and failed to be able to back up your blatant claim with any sort of proof.

Same thread where you claimed ""viruses were all man-made"" despite the evidence to suggest otherwise.

He Google and wikis and steals your jokes.
He is the Amy Shumer of ats.

Well, that's broken English, probably because you are rattled.

But if that were the case I'm sure you will be able to provide links to support your allegations.

Let's wait shall we?

But whilst we do it's possibly best to return to the topic of the thread.