Army asks those kicked out for not taking the jab to come back

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The U.S. Army sent a letter to former service members dismissed for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine, informing them they can request corrections of their discharge records, as the military branch reportedly struggles with recruitment three years after the onset of the pandemic.

The letter, which gained traction on social media, was addressed to former service members and notified of "new Army guidance regarding the correction of military records for former members of the Army following the rescission of the COVID-19 vaccination requirement."

It states, "as a result of the rescission of all current COVID-19 vaccination requirements, former Soldiers who were involuntarily separated for refusal to receive the COVID-19 vaccination may request a correction of their military records from either or both the Army Discharge Review Board (ADRB) or the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR)."

Yes, recruitment numbers are very low. Possibly due to the insane mandates to force everyone to take the experimental jab. But regardless of the reason, the military as a whole is having a very difficult time recruiting new warm bodies. As many things go in cycles, I can remember back when I got out, there was no incentive for me to stay. And the amount of money spent to train me seemed like a large waste if they are just going to train, then release folks. I was broke enough, I'd likely have stayed for an SRB. I know my kid is getting out after 5 years and there are no incentives for him to stay in. So the large picture is, they are not trying to retain anyone it seems, and they are not having luck bringing in anyone new. This seems like a recipe for failure. But as we know from Afghanistan, there will be no repercussions for poor performance. Likely a promotion.

But this instance is quite ripe with irony. They treated anyone who didn't want the jab as trash, and now find they are realizing the mistake. If this was a true learning experience, and this kind of garbage wouldn't happen again, it would be fine. But I think we all know what the future holds.

a reply to: network dude
Per the article in the OP:

"The US Army has sent letters to soldiers that were discharged for refusing to take the COVID-19 vaccine, offering to correct their records. Most, if not all, of the soldiers that were kicked out for not getting the vaccine were given a discharge that was other than honorable," the post says. "The letter indicates that the Army is hoping these soldiers will apply to return to service."

Probably a given that some would actually return, but I'd imagine a good portion of them just taking the discharge upgrade and moving on. They are ALL true patriots in my book, and I'd rather have them on the home front verses being cannon fodder for geriatric psychopaths.

"Other than honorable." though...Smh.. just wow.🤦🏾‍♂️ Glad they are given this opportunity. It's a challenge if not practically impossible to upgrade a discharge. They get their benefits back which is Uber important for us vets, even if the VA system is less than spectacular, it's still an option if no options are feasible.

Good morning ND! Thanks for your service.
⭐+🇺🇸

a reply to: network dude

Every one of these soldiers needs to sue the defense department before agreeing to return...
Troops Suing Defense Department over Vaccine Mandate Reach $1.8 Million Settlement

a reply to: network dude

Failure of integrity on the part of the medical doctors in the military. They could have dug in their heels and told the brass that the vaccination was experimental and the results would be impossible to predict.

But most of them said nothing and went along with it.

The brass will get up to all kinds of idiocy if enough principled people don't stand up.

You're correct, this is a sloppy attempt to correct an error, but without learning from their mistakes.

Cheers

a reply to: network dude

Have they tried

a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

I've been listening to retired military men that actually fought in real wars and they say the U.S. is desperate for combat experienced fighters because supposedly they have more Generals than experienced soldiers.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

I've been listening to retired military men that actually fought in real wars and they say the U.S. is desperate for combat experienced fighters because supposedly they have more Generals than experienced soldiers.

Ahh too many chiefs and not enough braves! Kind of typical though. These generals obviously have not earned their stripes by success but by towing a line!
Would this event be evidence that the military became a hostile work environment? They used coercion to force an experimental vaccine on the troops and to what end? Having to go and reverse that very same action after being proven wrong? Obviously being jabbed is not mandatory for new recruits now is it?

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: network dude
Failure of integrity on the part of the medical doctors in the military. They could have dug in their heels and told the brass that the vaccination was experimental and the results would be impossible to predict.

But most of them said nothing and went along with it.

The brass will get up to all kinds of idiocy if enough principled people don't stand up.

You're correct, this is a sloppy attempt to correct an error, but without learning from their mistakes.

Cheers

The problem wasn't just the military. This was mandated from the commander in chief/his administration. It affected all of the federal government and trickled down from there. Private companies with government contracts were forced to have all their employees vaccinated or else lose the contract. Ask me how I know. It's a complete sham and I'm glad that the truth is finally coming out.

Every single soldier that was given a less than honorable discharge should have it overturned to honorable without having to reenlist, and they should get a special medal for having superior intelligence and integrity.

originally posted by: hangedman13

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

I've been listening to retired military men that actually fought in real wars and they say the U.S. is desperate for combat experienced fighters because supposedly they have more Generals than experienced soldiers.

Ahh too many chiefs and not enough braves! Kind of typical though. These generals obviously have not earned their stripes by success but by towing a line!
Would this event be evidence that the military became a hostile work environment? They used coercion to force an experimental vaccine on the troops and to what end? Having to go and reverse that very same action after being proven wrong? Obviously being jabbed is not mandatory for new recruits now is it?

I think the jab and transmission is now better understood so 'in hindsight' comes to mind.

I was mostly impressed with those retired military men's somewhat sarcastic? realistic? view of the U.S. war machine and how it now would be highly ineffectual in a combat in the Middle East.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

LG,

Check, I know you're stating facts. My point is that unlike the contractors, the military had doctors who were also commissioned officers with wide latitude when it comes to medical matters and overall health of the force.

But for that latitude to have an effect, there has to be willingness on the part of the doctors to exercise it, and that will wasn't there. The brass made what they thought was the "safe" decision; the military doctors should have made it clear that decision was not safe, no matter how much it appeared so from the bureaucratic and management perspective.

Cheers

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

I've been listening to retired military men that actually fought in real wars and they say the U.S. is desperate for combat experienced fighters because supposedly they have more Generals than experienced soldiers.

My dad was old school military…..Think Full metal jacket..
We had many discussions about the military and he told me many times the military preyed on the mentally ill, and those with no options. He often got young soldiers that were orphans, gang members, and as I said before mentally ill, sometimes severely. That’s not the worst of it. Sometimes it was the leaders that were mentally ill, he told me of so many suicides, not just of the young recruits but the Drill Sergeants too…

Now I suppose there is a whole new element. These young kids are too informed. Many more have clinical issues like ADHD, Anxiety, and a myriad of other ailments.

Also, they weren’t raised outside like the kids of the 70’s & 80’s.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: network dude

If people haven’t figured out yet that our military uses people at its whim, I don’t know what to say.

I've been listening to retired military men that actually fought in real wars and they say the U.S. is desperate for combat experienced fighters because supposedly they have more Generals than experienced soldiers.

My dad was old school military…..Think Full metal jacket..
We had many discussions about the military and he told me many times the military preyed on the mentally ill, and those with no options. He often got young soldiers that were orphans, gang members, and as I said before mentally ill, sometimes severely. That’s not the worst of it. Sometimes it was the leaders that were mentally ill, he told me of so many suicides, not just of the young recruits but the Drill Sergeants too…

Now I suppose there is a whole new element. These young kids are too informed. Many more have clinical issues like ADHD, Anxiety, and a myriad of other ailments.

Also, they weren’t raised outside like the kids of the 70’s & 80’s.

So the new recruits would do well with technological warfare not boots on the ground conflicts and from what the retired military men were saying the machinery and technology is also ineffective say against Russian technology and armaments.

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So is it any wonder the younger more tech saavy generations aren't signing up?

originally posted by: network dude This seems like a recipe for failure. But as we know from Afghanistan, there will be no repercussions for poor performance. Likely a promotion.

for the upper levels, yes, but I'm sure in the lower ranks heads will still roll.

originally posted by: Coelacanth55

originally posted by: network dude This seems like a recipe for failure. But as we know from Afghanistan, there will be no repercussions for poor performance. Likely a promotion.

for the upper levels, yes, but I'm sure in the lower ranks heads will still roll.

only if they speak out about the failure at the top.

a reply to: quintessentone

So the new recruits would do well with technological warfare not boots on the ground conflicts and from what the retired military men were saying the machinery and technology is also ineffective say against Russian technology and armaments.

Yes but it’s still not enough because I believe the Chinese, Russians and even some in the ME are ahead of us in that realm too.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: quintessentone

So the new recruits would do well with technological warfare not boots on the ground conflicts and from what the retired military men were saying the machinery and technology is also ineffective say against Russian technology and armaments.

Yes but it’s still not enough because I believe the Chinese, Russians and even some in the ME are ahead of us in that realm too.

Is this where AI comes in?

i was a clerk-typist for 3 years, at a CE Battalion HQs ... usually the Discharges for not doing as Ordered, results in Not Eligible to Re-Enlist 'code' --> RE3


even Discharges as 'Administrative' or Undesirable at the extreme... or Dis-Honorable at the Max have automatic bans on reenlisting

if i got discharged like those soldiers did ---- There would be icicles in Hell

a reply to: network dude

The U.S. Army sent a letter to former service members dismissed for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine, informing them they can request corrections of their discharge records, as the military branch reportedly struggles with recruitment three years after the onset of the pandemic.

I do hope the Army isn't holding it's breath hoping these Soldiers will come back to active service. No doubt they will have there discharge Records Amended I can't believe the Army did that in the First Place.

I got out just before all of this Pandemic Debacle started , And What the Army did to these soldiers who refused the Vaccine is referred to as an " Admin Betrayal " . An Admin Betrayal is what led to my getting out Early because I for sure wanted to do my 20 but hey things don't always work out .

It does make me wonder though who were the Officers signing all of these ' Other than Honorable Discharges ' ?