US House Releases 44,000 Hours of Video from the Jan 6th 2021 Protest of Joe Biden's Election Steal.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Not according to proud Maga MTG,Gaetz and right wing news hosts. They say he is a proud good Patriot and should have no jail time for violently assaulting officers.
and be released.

This is what has been so funny. It's antifa! No it's feds! It's the cops, an inside job as they aren't being forceful with the crowd, wait, no the cops are too violent in the rotunda! The cops started it! Wait, it's feds again, video shows a guy flashing a badge!(It's a vape, the guy is serving 4 years for attacking a cop to get in there). No wait, that guy is peacefully walking!(This guy charged with pepper spraying police to get in there). Social media has been a hoot! Well, if it wasn't so sad.

That is literally excuses I read in an hours worth of time. Now they've moved on to "charge the cop who pushed a protester off the ledge with attempted murder! (As the guy climbed the ledge to attack the police line).


Just pick an excuse and stick with it. Literally changing it every 20 minutes. Gotta be dizzy from all that spinning going on today.

Dude, chill, relax.
I easily admit when I am wrong.
I had never seen those photos.
I started with that statement.
I might have watched more Jan6 footage than anyone in this thread.
And I have never seen those photos before and honestly do not know who he is.

But what I do know I can confidently know at the start not to accept your narrative of being factual.

So let me stab at it again on this in knowing my due diligence on the matter is not to believe your narrative.

So maybe he is a double agent who infiltrated your anti-maga insurrectionist cult and he got exposed.

But since I really do not really care about MTG and this version of Gaetz is at best palatable.
I do not follow or care much about their opinions.
I never ever post about them and I never ever read their opinions.
Honest.
I responded to a photo I had never seen before.
When I do more due diligence on this cat I will let you know.
For now I can only base it off your asseswhich is usually slanted, biased and leftist.
That's enough for me to form an opinion of that photo in this thread anyway, capiche?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Have you watched the 500 hours of video complied from users of Parler on the 6th?

If not, it's interesting. They break it down so you can watch by area or timeline. They grabbed all the J6 uploaded videos to Parler by users that day.

What Parler Saw

You can always use the links I provided previously of the DOJ Breach site to download all affadavits, statements of facts etc. They do include photos, text messages, social media posts, in the case of Oath Keepers, the text of recorded calls, their playbook, etc. Scott MacFarlane on Twitter has information and filings from all the J6 Court cases, etc. Considering the amount of people charged, it's quite time consuming, but I've been reading them the past almost 3 years, along with other court documents.

There is actually a ton of information that does not rely on main stream media. You can also follow the rabbit holes of the defendents social media, their family, etc. In those cases, yes they are slanted towards defending their family members, but you can certainly gather an idea of their mindset.

You can also download testimony of anyone involved in any congressional hearings, etc.

a reply to: frogs453

Thankyou for pointing us to a treasure trove of little known information!

Get Some Back Up

a reply to: MetalThunder

Yup. It did not get real bad to me until they launched grenades at the crowd. The Capitol Police to me that day picked a fight and got one.

No insurrection. One murder. Pence was ballless.

a reply to: frogs453

Attack on the capitol?

What I have seen so far looked like a 'last gasp' of democracy, that has been thoroughly asphyxiated since hah

a reply to: frogs453

Attack on the capitol?

What I have seen so far looked like a 'last gasp' of democracy, that has been thoroughly asphyxiated since hah

a reply to: matafuchs

Ah, yes, this is the new talking point. I just read this morning by RW pundits, "ok, yes there was violence, but why aren't we pointing out that the cops started it and were extremely violent". "Patriots were victims!"

Ohhh boy this is a good one. We should all visit threads here from 2020. Martin Gugino, 75 walked up to a cop in Buffalo during a BLM protest, was violently shoved,busted his head open, hospitalized for weeks, a military veteran with his arms up in Portland, had his arm broken, journalists and priests pepperballed in Lafayette Square. ATS screeched that it was the individuals fault. "Shouldn't have been there", "should have just complied", "other people were violent, so the cops did what they had to do!" "Back the blue!" And none of these incidents were at the fortified Capitol while the electoral process was taking place. And none of those people in turn attacked the police, tased officers, beat them with flag poles, etc.

Did y'all keep that energy? Nope. Now it's ACAB as the last excuse since the other excuses have failed badly. You really can't make this up.

This weekend alone there have been at least 5 different excuses that have failed badly to try to justify what happened. The ats motto appears to have changed from "Deny ignorance" to "Throw everything at the wall to see what sticks" or "Join in the hypocrisy".

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: matafuchs

Ah, yes, this is the new talking point. I just read this morning by RW pundits, "ok, yes there was violence, but why aren't we pointing out that the cops started it and were extremely violent". "Patriots were victims!"

Ohhh boy this is a good one. We should all visit threads here from 2020. Martin Gugino, 75 walked up to a cop in Buffalo during a BLM protest, was violently shoved,busted his head open, hospitalized for weeks, a military veteran with his arms up in Portland, had his arm broken, journalists and priests pepperballed in Lafayette Square. ATS screeched that it was the individuals fault. "Shouldn't have been there", "should have just complied", "other people were violent, so the cops did what they had to do!" "Back the blue!" And none of these incidents were at the fortified Capitol while the electoral process was taking place. And none of those people in turn attacked the police, tased officers, beat them with flag poles, etc.

Did y'all keep that energy? Nope. Now it's ACAB as the last excuse since the other excuses have failed badly. You really can't make this up.

This weekend alone there have been at least 5 different excuses that have failed badly to try to justify what happened. The ats motto appears to have changed from "Deny ignorance" to "Throw everything at the wall to see what sticks" or "Join in the hypocrisy".

Excuses?
That's what Annee says.
You now take her lead explaining away the true narrative that just now began to be exposed?

You seem incapable of simply trying to explain what just now is being allowed to be explained and your EXCUSE is that blm and antifa were abused and mistreated.

So one of the key videos presented so far is watching agent provocateur change clothing into very visual pro Trump Maga gear in order to be as visual as possible.
They did not show up that way. And they obviously coordinated this ahead of time in collusion as a group. All planned and predetermined in an area that was planned and predetermined.
They changed clothing to predetermined. And their actions were of malice and forethought.
And as these new videos are already showing, and we have less than 1% released so far, is this was planned and staged in a predetermined area while Trump and his supporters are elsewhere listening to Trump speak.
They did not come to hear Trump speak obviously. But they bought Trump clothing ahead of time and brought it with them in order to false flag their actions.
With malice and forthought.

It is becoming obvious just from the few videos so far presented that there were two groups there that day with different intentions.
One group met with Trump.
And when Trump was speaking to his people the other group equipped with planning, camera crews, Trump gear and clothing, weapons ,etc, staged themselves around the capitol positioning themselves for their go orders from team captains like Epps.

Literally while Trump was speaking in another area these people were changing clothing in preparation. None of these people being prestige seemed to care at all that Trump was speaking to his followers.
Because none of them came for Trump.

Isn't that easy to see so far?

Trumps people gathered in a predetermined advertised location.
The agent provocateur and false flag operators also gathered in a predetermined and planned area for pre-planned staging.


What all these new videos are going to show is this was planned and predetermined by agent provocateur (capitol police, fbi, blm, antifa, etc.
And they did it with their true peers there around them obviously because they felt comfortable to do it.
The difference with your examples(excuses)
is to point out that not all blm protestors were not violent thugs but some came with peaceful intentions VS. the thugs that came to a peaceful protest against election fraud and their right to assemble were there to cause trouble and blame it on Trump supporters and Maga.
And their intent is to cause trouble and violence.

Obviously you are the one making excuses and just like the thugs that changed clothing so as to false flag their intentions you claim the same false flag change of clothing in this thread and make excuses pretending to spin excuses into reason and reason into excuses.

Lots and lots of logical fallacies in this thread which are just the same as false flag actions gone kinetic.

There is only one reason to dress up as your adversary before you begin to cause trouble and violence.

Not all the eedjits (as you called them) that were agent provocateur were sent there to cause, disrupt and inspire violence and malice.
That was left for those that practiced and in groups.
There looks to be a lot of filler and cheerleaders too.

But the ones that changed clothing just literally moments before go time have only 1 reason to do so as Trump is speaking during those moments elsewhere need to be watched in the coming videos as none of them have peaceful pro Trump thoughts.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Could you link to the video released by Lee that shows the people changing clothes? I'm well aware of the video that circulated of people changing in an area that has a tree full of beautful green leaves, which does not occur in January in DC. I'm also aware of the text messages between the Proud Boy leadership and their members to wear no Maga gear, but to wear black to look like it's Antifa there.

And claim incitement, claim whatever you want. However those arrested were true "Patriots".

There are those that incite violence at every protest. Numerous white supremacists were arrested for inciting violence and shooting cops and pretending to be BLM protesters. Does that excuse any BLM supporter? No. It doesn't. My point was the hypocrisy between these two situations. Feel free to browse ATS, as it appears you were not a member at that time.

Personally I think a person is an idiot if anyone can convince you that it's ok to commit a crime and attack the police. That should especially be true of the Back the Blue mantra crowd.

And Proud Boy leader Joe Biggs disagrees with you and shot this video on the 6th happily claiming they just "stormed the Capitol. We just stormed the Capitol

a reply to: frogs453

You said...

And none of those people in turn attacked the police, tased officers, beat them with flag poles, etc.

I remember the old man video. That was unfortunate. He was shoved and fell. It was not violent either. Why would you approach a line of 30 cops like he did? Glad he is ok.

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These are the people who were pepper sprayed after Floyd rioting....real peaceful. They tried to burn down a church.

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1/6 was not an insurrection. It was a riot that went to far but nothing compared to anything that BLM or Antifa has pulled in the last 8 years. Not even close. I mean, you know if BLM was there the gift shop would have been looted....

a reply to: matafuchs

No, I was speaking on Lafayette Square. When Trump decided to do his walk? When Barr changed the curfew time by an hour? When no one knew and the people singing and chanting in the square were pepper balled?

I'm not making comparisons as to whether rioting and throwing molotov cocktails at a federal building are worse or that storming the Capitol to stop the electoral process are worse. I'm not complaining about over 14,000 being arrested in BLM riots and hundreds of those being federal charges. They are deserved.

Again, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of ATS and Maga.

Interesting. Some "insurrectionists" got incarcerated indefinitely while others get a fist bump?

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originally posted by: underpass61
Interesting. Some "insurrectionists" got incarcerated indefinitely while others get a fist bump?

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That is, bizarre…

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a reply to: underpass61

FBI operatives whose job was to stoke up violence.

One was also spotted placing non-functional pipe bombs by the DNC in RNC office on January 5th 2021.

a reply to: Lazy88

Why do you think it's bizarre? Current and former LEO and military were some of the people who attacked cops at the Capitol and were charged. 35 Capitol cops were investigated and suspended/ fired for their actions that day. 1 was charged and found guilty of obstruction after he told a J6 defendent to get rid of evidence. There's a list of LEO throughout the country who are also members of White Supremacist groups. Not hard to believe there were Maga sympathetic cops.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Lazy88

Why do you think it's bizarre? Current and former LEO and military were some of the people who attacked cops at the Capitol and were charged. 35 Capitol cops were investigated and suspended/ fired for their actions that day. 1 was charged and found guilty of obstruction after he told a J6 defendent to get rid of evidence. There's a list of LEO throughout the country who are also members of White Supremacist groups. Not hard to believe there were Maga sympathetic cops.

Like judges willing to break laws for democrats.

So, the two officers in the video are who? Who were disciplined for what?

a reply to: frogs453

Vs the Antisemitism of the Democratic Party and colleges?

a reply to: Lazy88

That I do not know, but email requests have been made for further information by Newsweek.

However, you have two theories, each plausible. The protester works for the government and the cop knows him or the cop is a Maga sympathizer.

I simply stated that considering quite a few of those arrested were current/former LEO/ military, that it would not be far fetched to have had working Capitol cops sympathetic to the Maga cause and would not be "bizarre". Supported by the fact of a conviction of one and firings of others.

a reply to: frogs453

I would have thought they would have hung those guys out to dry. I mean, they gave the guy who shot an unarmed protestor a Nightly Special Interview...where are all of the crooked MAGA cops?

I can see where you might have sympathetic cops but I have now seen too many videos where it really really looks like they were in those crowds.