Biden Not Expected to Face Charges for Mishandling Classified Documents

a reply to: network dude

As I've mentioned previously, a crime is composed of three elements: actus reus, mens rea, and the concurrence of the two. We know Hur has evidence of actus reus. Classified documents were found at Biden's office and home. Ergo, if he's saying he doesn't have enough evidence to charge Biden with a crime it would mean he doesn't have evidence of mens rea.

a reply to: Threadbarer

BIden hid documents too. So well he forgot where they were and someone had to go find them.

There is no intent. Just mishandling of documents. Now, when it comes out he was allowed to have them...what then?

originally posted by: jrod

Regardless, they gave Trump ample opportunity to simply return the documents and he refused, then when forced to give back the documents he still kept some documents then proceeded to lie and obstruct efforts to get those returned.

And yet -- his cult is still "twisting up" excuses for him.

How much more black and white can you get?

a reply to: matafuchs

When it comes out Trump was allowed to have them?

He still knowingly failed to comply with a court ordered subpoena and attempted to obscure and destroy evidence in an active investigation.

a reply to: Threadbarer

Of course he didnt if he drags his feet and does nothing, he makes a boat load of money and knows there will be zero repercussions for failing to do his job.

You really think those clowns at that level care about the law...

a reply to: jrod

Biden and Pence both immediately complied,

See this is a stupid argument... if you want to say they did nothing different from previous VP's I would say yea you got a point.

Trump didnt do anything different than any number of people and actually sat the seat did, but this time BAMN right... right...

If biden had anything from prior to his time as VP after Obama changed the rules allowing the VP to declassify he VIOLATED THE LAW...

Cooperation means nothing unless you are cool with two separate tiers of justice, is that what you are arguing?

ETA: Also there are people that realized they screwed up immediately reported it as they are supposed to lost their job and security clearance at a minimum, others went to JAIL.

They didnt have people run them down LOL, lets be honest the DNC sent people to clear out the office and garage and beach house because he knew he would be guilty of the same thing so tried to get ahead of it, and since the dnc controls the DOJ he has gotten away with it while people like you carry water for this injustice.

This has ZERO to do with trump, this has to do with him getting away with breaking the law in front of us and people like you cheering it on.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Point to another former President that refused to turn over Presidential records to NARA. Point to another former President that hid documents from investigators after being subpoenaed. Point to another former President that discussed with his lawyers about hiding and destroying evidence so investigators couldn't find it. Point to another former President that instructed his employees to destroy security footage shortly after he received a subpoena to turn it over to investigators.

a reply to: Threadbarer

If biden had anything from prior to his time as VP after Obama changed the rules allowing the VP to declassify he VIOLATED THE LAW...

Which HE DID, and here you are cheering for the elite to get treated differently and praying for some crumbs to fall your way, this is not about Trump get over your TDS, biden violated the law and you are cheering for him getting away with it.

a reply to: Threadbarer

Bill Clinton.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Once again, I've never denied there's actus reus, but without mens rea or concurrence a prosecutor can't win their case.

This isn't a two tier criminal system thing. This is a basics of law thing. If you think Biden should be prosecuted and convicted over this even though the prosecutor doesn't have evidence of intent you are actively cheering for throwing due process out the window and imprisoning before merely based on politics. You are cheering for the dismantling of the Constitution.

a reply to: JinMI

Someone clearly knows nothing about the "sock drawer tapes."

a reply to: Threadbarer

Why don't you go on and explain what I'm missing.

(I know what part I left out)

a reply to: JinMI

The tapes were not property of Clinton, they were technically property of the journalist that made them. That means they were not subject to the PRA. Clinton was never subpoenaed to turn them over. He never attempted to hide them or destroy them. And he never told his lawyers he wanted to hide or destroy them.

So, what similarities are there to Trump's case?

a reply to: Threadbarer

Never worked around classified material I see.. Plenty of examples for you to research showing you are wrong.

I am not going to bother linking them because you will then pick apart what news agency reported on it.

eta: in case you are feeling especially thick, people that self reported the accident and were punished under the law with ZERO intent to violate the law.

a reply to: Threadbarer

No, they were Clintons property and that's per NARA and he did in fact hide them.

Why are they treating Trump differently.......


But I got what I needed here:

Clinton was never subpoenaed to turn them over.

What were you saying about no two standards again?

a reply to: JinMI

" Biden Not Expected to Face Charges for Mishandling Classified Documents "



Ah Yeah , Because He Will be DEAD Before Nov. 2024 . So What's the Point ?

a reply to: JinMI

No. That's not per NARA. NARA never requested the tapes as they did not deem them Presidential records. Judicial Watch sued NARA to have them categorized as Presidential records and added to the Clinton Library but lost their suit.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Dandandat3

I worked on encryption devices in the Navy when I was an AT. I actually had stamps that said SECRET, TSEC, ect that if needed I could stamp on say a work order, MAF. All the encryption test equipment was in a vault that only a handful of us had access to with maintenance pubs and some devices(ie the KYK-13, maintenance codes, ect ) kept in a cabinet with a safe style lock on it. That was almost 20 years ago so I don't remember much in terms of protocols.

Regardless what the rules are, people in power get special treatment as any working class person found to have documents would face serious consequences

Regardless, they gave Trump ample opportunity to simply return the documents and he refused, then when forced to give back the documents he still kept some documents then proceeded to lie and obstruct efforts to get those returned.

Biden and Pence both immediately complied, had Trump simply did what Biden or Pence did he would NOT be facing any charges over mishandling classified material. It really depends how much if any action a civilian would face, it depends on circumstances,intent and if anyone has a stick up their arse. My understanding the documents Pence and Biden were not say pertaining to national security, where Trump's certainly were.

I'm sorry; I try not to participate in the tribal culture war that is occurring in the country right now. I really don't understand how sane people can.

So maybe you can explain something to me. What Biden and Pence did is clearly wrong and dangerous... even if what Trump did could be considered MORE wrong and dangerous.

Why does the existence of Trump exonerate Biden and Pence? Why are the situations even discussed in tandem at all?

Why are Americans so accepting of the bad behavior of their own tribal leaders just because they can be persuaded that the tribal leader of the "others" might have done something worse.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Dandandat3

I worked on encryption devices in the Navy when I was an AT. I actually had stamps that said SECRET, TSEC, ect that if needed I could stamp on say a work order, MAF. All the encryption test equipment was in a vault that only a handful of us had access to with maintenance pubs and some devices(ie the KYK-13, maintenance codes, ect ) kept in a cabinet with a safe style lock on it. That was almost 20 years ago so I don't remember much in terms of protocols.

Regardless what the rules are, people in power get special treatment as any working class person found to have documents would face serious consequences

Regardless, they gave Trump ample opportunity to simply return the documents and he refused, then when forced to give back the documents he still kept some documents then proceeded to lie and obstruct efforts to get those returned.

Biden and Pence both immediately complied, had Trump simply did what Biden or Pence did he would NOT be facing any charges over mishandling classified material. It really depends how much if any action a civilian would face, it depends on circumstances,intent and if anyone has a stick up their arse. My understanding the documents Pence and Biden were not say pertaining to national security, where Trump's certainly were.

I'm sorry; I try not to participate in the tribal culture war that is occurring in the country right now. I really don't understand how sane people can.

So maybe you can explain something to me. What Biden and Pence did is clearly wrong and dangerous... even if what Trump did could be considered MORE wrong and dangerous.

Why does the existence of Trump exonerate Biden and Pence? Why are the situations even discussed in tandem at all?

Why are Americans so accepting of the bad behavior of their own tribal leaders just because they can be persuaded that the tribal leader of the "others" might have done something worse.

Simplistic.

"Material" was packed up by aides. Some sent to the wrong location.

Behavior AFTER discovery is what sets it apart.

a reply to: Threadbarer


While you're right about the Joyriding law,
wouldn't "Joyriding in a UFO" be a better comparison?

Because it's not so much about whether you intended to keep it,
and more about who else could have seen it, right?