A hill to die on

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Mahogani

I don't understand why people feel the need to pick a side and support one side.

Because some times you've got to draw a line in the sand and decide which side you are on.

Ah, the old line in the sand adage.

One side of the line is Armageddon, and the other side is so sorry we couldn't all just get along somehow, and give another chance for peace before letting the world devolve into destroying itself.

As long as Islam exists there will never be peace… ever… even if they are all that remain which is what they want…

I really have no problem with Israel dealing with terroristic regions of the world. They have a right to wipe them off the face of the earth.

I'll Die on any hill no matter how inconsequential it may seem.

Give them an Inch they will take a Mile , Give them a Hill they will take the Valley .

Principle , Morals and Objective understanding are the Hills I die on . I don't hate anyone for there Religious or Cultural Beliefs , I don't secretly wish the Destruction of an entire Race while defending terrorist with Passive Aggressive under tones .

It's not hard to see what is right but sometimes it is hard to see the outcome of what is right.

I stand with Israel and I always will .

The Ironic aspect is those at the front of feminism/wokism pushed for shifting the demographics of Western Countries, now that they have played their hand in Gaza it seems they have regret over their social engineering.


The push to fight the supply never meeting the demand white supremacist.

DEI.

Young people being taught America is racist, colonizers etc.

whatever.

Here we are.

Looks like someone made a giant turd sammich and its time to take a bite.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

please answer this.

So here we are. Israel was attacked. What should they have done? The floor is your sir or maam.

originally posted by: Lysergic
The Ironic aspect is those at the front of feminism/wokism pushed for shifting the demographics of Western Countries, now that they have played their hand in Gaza it seems they have regret over their social engineering.


The push to fight the supply never meeting the demand white supremacist.

DEI.

Young people being taught America is racist, colonizers etc.

whatever.

Here we are.

Looks like someone made a giant turd sammich and its time to take a bite.

I always enjoy your viewpoint.

lol

From the topic post:

A very wise member once said, "Debates are about ideas, arguments are about people". I agree. We're now arguing. Am I going to stop?

This, I disagree with, and is untrue, respectfully.

Debates are conducted using logically formulated arguments, and an impartial referee is present to make sure objections to logical fallacies are ruled upon. A panel of impartial judges the debate and decides which side wins.

Do you need a link for more?

Now since what you are doing here is not arguing, but implied you are going after people, that tactic in debate would immediately raise objections against ad hominem attacks.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I should have also stated, that the wise poster also stated. . .

Debates are to determine WHAT is right.

Arguments are to determine WHO is right.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Debates are conducted using logically formulated arguments, and an impartial referee is present to make sure objections to logical fallacies are ruled upon. A panel of impartial judges the debate and decides which side wins.

If the arguments are logically formulated then logical fallacies wouldn't be present, eliminating the need for an impartial judge. Even the notion of an impartial judge is an inherent fallacy.

originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't understand why people feel the need to pick a side and support one side. Shouldn't all human life be a side?

What both Hamas and Israel are doing are war crimes. The Hamas attack was absolute horror, carnage, mayhem and acts that we have not seen in a long time. They killed 1,200 people in one day, foreigners included. Massacred them.

But since then over 13,000 civilians have been erased also. Vaporized, dismembered... cleansed.

It's ok to say both those things are wrong. One doesn't have to pick a side. Unless that's how your brain works.

I feel bad for anyone who dies in a stupid war. But I do have to ask, how many of those 13,000 were the HAMAS folks the IDF went in to kill?

And are you aware of how HAMAS fights?

I've been waiting for someone with integrity to answer what Israel should have done. So far, not a sausage.

a reply to: network dude

Gluck on getting your answer.

I've also been asking why neighboring Islamic nations won't take Gaza refugees....

originally posted by: sourclaw
I’m kind of like I fight the battles in front of me. Calling out a fellow mate when he is doing someone wrong and the like. I can personally only have hope of making positive changes to those within my sphere of influence. Outside of that I am powerless.

But what if your voice does matter, even to just the tiniest miniscule degree, and what might be missing if your voice?

Would you speak out against the path of most bloodshed?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: network dude

Gluck on getting your answer.

I've also been asking why neighboring Islamic nations won't take Gaza refugees....

To be frank, if there's no one or no reason to hate the Joos, then there's no money to be made.

Hate is an industry.

Copyrighted on 9/11, 2001.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't understand why people feel the need to pick a side and support one side. Shouldn't all human life be a side?

What both Hamas and Israel are doing are war crimes. The Hamas attack was absolute horror, carnage, mayhem and acts that we have not seen in a long time. They killed 1,200 people in one day, foreigners included. Massacred them.

But since then over 13,000 civilians have been erased also. Vaporized, dismembered... cleansed.

It's ok to say both those things are wrong. One doesn't have to pick a side. Unless that's how your brain works.

I feel bad for anyone who dies in a stupid war. But I do have to ask, how many of those 13,000 were the HAMAS folks the IDF went in to kill?

And are you aware of how HAMAS fights?

I've been waiting for someone with integrity to answer what Israel should have done. So far, not a sausage.

Israel definitely should not have carpet bombed with precision guided explosives the Innocent people of Palestine. There were Innocent people there. And the bombs killed them. And the terrorists survive underground.

Israel should definitely stop this campaign of death. and genocide.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor
From the topic post:

A very wise member once said, "Debates are about ideas, arguments are about people". I agree. We're now arguing. Am I going to stop?

This, I disagree with, and is untrue, respectfully.

Debates are conducted using logically formulated arguments, and an impartial referee is present to make sure objections to logical fallacies are ruled upon. A panel of impartial judges the debate and decides which side wins.

Do you need a link for more?

Now since what you are doing here is not arguing, but implied you are going after people, that tactic in debate would immediately raise objections against ad hominem attacks.

If only everyone realized that in order to have a discussion/conversation/argument/debate, you have to explain your position and defend it, or you are forced to re-examine it and discover why you had that moral fart.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

carpet bombed with precision guided

Umm, what?

and genocide

Oh, I see now.


Thank you for the talking points.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Mahogani
a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't understand why people feel the need to pick a side and support one side. Shouldn't all human life be a side?

What both Hamas and Israel are doing are war crimes. The Hamas attack was absolute horror, carnage, mayhem and acts that we have not seen in a long time. They killed 1,200 people in one day, foreigners included. Massacred them.

But since then over 13,000 civilians have been erased also. Vaporized, dismembered... cleansed.

It's ok to say both those things are wrong. One doesn't have to pick a side. Unless that's how your brain works.

I feel bad for anyone who dies in a stupid war. But I do have to ask, how many of those 13,000 were the HAMAS folks the IDF went in to kill?

And are you aware of how HAMAS fights?

I've been waiting for someone with integrity to answer what Israel should have done. So far, not a sausage.

Israel definitely should not have carpet bombed with precision guided explosives the Innocent people of Palestine. There were Innocent people there. And the bombs killed them. And the terrorists survive underground.

Israel should definitely stop this campaign of death. and genocide.

OK, so you have presented a lie, rather than explain your position. This isn't a very good example of an ADULT debate. In fact, it feels kind of High Schoolish. Get better facts.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Hate is an industry.

Copyrighted on 9/11, 2001.

An incomplete list of countries with mass, jubilant street celebrations on 9/11:

Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia...

Never forgive.
Never forget.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: DBCowboy

Hate is an industry.

Copyrighted on 9/11, 2001.

Countries with mass, jubilant street celebrations on 9/11:

Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, Oman, Yemen, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia...

Never forgive.
Never forget.

Can you update this list with US cities in 2023?

Detroit, NYC and DC for starters..

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: network dude

Gluck on getting your answer.

I've also been asking why neighboring Islamic nations won't take Gaza refugees....

Seems like every country who has invited them in has been taught a lesson.. Jordon let them in and they tried to topple the government. Egypt ...remember Sadat ? Their response to anything outside their rigid believe system is to change or kill those who offend them. It is unfortunate that they are all classified by the anamalistic hatred of the few.