How women are treated by society

a reply to: quintessentone

You're the only one assuming it's not

But, as I will always say and you know this to be true, guns are not the problem. People are

Cars don't drive drunk, guns don't go out looking for people to shoot, pencils don't misspell words, spoons don't make you fat. These are all actions that require human interaction to do so.

What is the common denominator there?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You're the only one assuming it's not

But, as I will always say and you know this to be true, guns are not the problem. People are

Cars don't drive drunk, guns don't go out looking for people to shoot, pencils don't misspell words, spoons don't make you fat. These are all actions that require human interaction to do so.

What is the common denominator there?

I'm not assuming it's not, I just had to look at how red flag laws are ignored.

What's the common denominator there when red flags are ignored?

a reply to: quintessentone

New York Supreme Court deemed Red Flag laws unconstitutional

Even then, there are many other avenues to go down before red flag laws should even be considered. Red flag/no knock is how innocent/pointless loss of life occures.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

New York Supreme Court deemed Red Flag laws unconstitutional

Even then, there are many other avenues to go down before red flag laws should even be considered. Red flag/no knock is how innocent/pointless loss of life occures.

Nope.

Critics argue red flag laws go against the Second Amendment. While there have been Second Amendment challenges to these laws, they've each failed, Blocher said.

In Hope v. State, the Connecticut Appellate Court in 2016 concluded that the state's firearm removal law does not violate the Second Amendment because "it does not restrict the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of their homes."

www.cbsnews.com...

Anyway, my point was even if these red flag laws are in place they seem to be ignored.

a reply to: quintessentone

Yup

" New York Supreme Court applying the Bruen decision ruled on December 22, 2022, that a New York red flag law was unconstitutional.[131][132] A second judge on April 4, 2023 ruled it unconstitutional too."

Isn't it funny how one of the biggest anti gun states in the US deems a gun law unconstitutional?

How are these unconstitutional laws being ignored?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Yup

" New York Supreme Court applying the Bruen decision ruled on December 22, 2022, that a New York red flag law was unconstitutional.[131][132] A second judge on April 4, 2023 ruled it unconstitutional too."

How are these unconstitutional laws being ignored?

Nope, and I posted all the states that use it.

a reply to: quintessentone

You can nope all you want, a 2022 ruling is a little better than a 2016 ruling....

Also, the list from your link are already states that have BS gun laws anyways. Notice how there is only one red state on that list? Why do you think that is

Again, since you like to avoid answering questions,

How are these unconstitutional laws being ignored?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

You can nope all you want, a 2022 ruling is a little better than a 2016 ruling....

Again, since you like to avoid answering questions,

How are these unconstitutional laws being ignored?

These constitutional laws are being ignored by Sheriff's who think they know better.

apnews.com...

a reply to: quintessentone

Taking away someone's guns is very much stepping on their 2nd amendment rights.

Again, what is the common denominator here? PEOPLE

People are the problem, not guns. Guns are but a simple tool. Tools, of all natures, are used for the incorrect purpose all the time. Why are hammers not banned after someone beats 5 people to death with one?


Do you really not see the problem here?

All it takes is for one begruntled ex to call the cops and say you have a mental problem and they come kick in your door and take your guns. WITHOUT CAUSE

That is how innocent people die. All of these lawmakers are going to have blood on their hands when this starts being more prevalent. Especially with the younger generation being brainwashed to think that nobody should have guns and that all gun/gun owners are bad.

Go look up videos of people asking college students about guns. 99.9999% of them have absolutely no clue about anything to do with guns, yet they want to condemn anyone who owns one. They have no real reason to hate guns, aside from MSM and people like you, telling them they need to be afraid of them.

a reply to: PorkChop96

No, taking away a responsible citizen's gun is unconstitutional whereas taking away an irresponsible, dangerous and perhaps sick individual's gun is not only constitutional but the right thing to do to protect everyone.

a reply to: quintessentone

And who are the ones that are being given all of this power to deem people unfit to have guns, exes, neighbors, ex employers, family members, etc.

All of these are people, at the drop of a hat, can call and say you have a screw loose, regardless if you do or not. And then the next thing you know 20 dudes with guns come charging in your front door and treating you like you just shot the pope.

What is constitutional about that?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

And who are the ones that are being given all of this power to deem people unfit to have guns, exes, neighbors, ex employers, family members, etc.

All of these are people, at the drop of a hat, can call and say you have a screw loose, regardless if you do or not. And then the next thing you know 20 dudes with guns come charging in your front door and treating you like you just shot the pope.

What is constitutional about that?

Do you really think it will be that easy with all the pushback?

a reply to: quintessentone

That is literally what red flag laws are. Do you know nothing about what you are arguing for?

It is that easy, and it has been done. Same way people are still "SWATing" people. All it takes is a phone call

a reply to: strongfp

Stats are never important. They can't show emotional arguments, which of course is the only point of posting things of the nature the OP posted as well as the "666" people that laud them.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

That is literally what red flag laws are. Do you know nothing about what you are arguing for?

It is that easy, and it has been done. Same way people are still "SWATing" people. All it takes is a phone call

What good are red flag laws if Sheriff's take it upon themselves to either follow the law or not, upon their whims?

a reply to: ForestSpirit77

My ex was a verbally abusive narcissist. I saw the red flags early on, but because I thought I would not meet anyone else or better I accepted it. It only last a little over a year , but long enough to leave long lasting scars/memories.
Off course now I would run at the first signs of red flags , but I think that it was also normal enough to me and accpetable enough as this was similar to my home life growing up (very dominant father). It's easy to get swayed by these types of men as their lies are tiny at first and build on top of older lies. Slowly you lose your old indentity and beliefs.

I have healed off course since and am back my old (better) self.
Trust in men is virtually gone though.

Edit to add: men can be abused as well off course, and are often sadly too ashamed to admit it. Also , I think this is becoming more prevelant , more people are grandiose type narc now then ever. Social media hasn't helped any.

a reply to: quintessentone

Sheriffs often have the power to say if a law violates rights or not and therefore can choose to not enforce certain laws.

They know that it violates 2nd and 4th amendment rights and choose to ignore the laws. They are 100% correct for doing so.

originally posted by: QRST4D
a reply to: JinMI

I see your point. I addressed the title more than the OP. Fair.

Women's rights and violence against women are closely intertwined, however. According to this NIH report

Of the 30 countries with the lowest prevalence estimates for past year physical or sexual violence, or both (up to 4%), 24 were high-income countries. 23 of the 30 countries within this lowest prevalence range were in Europe. The other seven were Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, Sri Lanka, and Uruguay.

Care to compare the countries on WEF's list to the one from NIH?

In a way, I understand the animosity toward the WEF on ATS. But the way I see it, since Donald Trump has participated in WEF meetings, it should be fair game to use them as a source. It seems to be the prevailing attitude that whatever Trump touches turns to gold.

I agree. Not to thread drift , but Trump is defintely 'controlled opposition' IMO , also he's a freemason. I don't trust him , just like I don't trust any politician anymore. This whole 'left' vs 'right' thing is simply to divide us and to keep us divided fighting among each other like trapped chickens in a small cage.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Sheriffs often have the power to say if a law violates rights or not and therefore can choose to not enforce certain laws.

They know that it violates 2nd and 4th amendment rights and choose to ignore the laws. They are 100% correct for doing so.

Sheriffs should not be given the right to decide how to follow a law, the law should be explicit and leave no room for anyone to guess, doubt, or be allowed to follow their beliefs.

originally posted by: dust2023
a reply to: Hecate666


Your "name" and avatar suggest you are a witch or at least interested in witchcraft. Since you are of the devil and believe do what thou whilst, why should anyone believe anything you say when by your own spiritual guise lying is great as long as it benefits you?

You are right and wrong at the same time. I'll go as far as to say that I am probably the most honest person you have wver met.
To dicard my opinion because you are making stories up about my person, just because you are really religiously brainwashed ain't my problem. It just highlights the closed mindedness and nastiness of some religious folk.

I accept and speak anyone who is willing to do so with decorum. Anyone who hates me for no other reason than their masters telling them to dehumanise me, has no self awareness and is not a person I consider worth listening to either.
Yes I am a witch. Now what?
You know nothing else about me and there are a thousand other things about me who make me a worthwhile person.
Things that have nothing to do with my chosen form of belief.

But it's enough to want me dead, suffering forever in a mde up hell. Many elievers are one mind ponies and can't think for tbemsekves.

I've met believers who were able to discuss things without judgement. Those have the right mindset and I call them friends.

So have a nice life.