How women are treated by society

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: QRST4D
a reply to: watchitburn

What exactly is wrong with that?

Is it better or worse than spewing hyperbole such as "Women are treated better today in America than anywhere, in any other time in world history."

....they are.

Better in the USA? I highly doubt that. Better than MOST nations, probably.
Apart from the abortion issue, it's equal here.
Women pretty much have it the same as men here.
But note that the USA ranks very low for both genders in most metrics, including education.
It's not like we're a paragon of advancement. We're basically the crappiest of the first world countries, bordering now on second world.
USA is actually kinda crappy for everyone by the most important statistics.
The whole "best nation in the world" propaganda isn't supported by anything.
But we're pretty good about gender equality.
Good enough that we can no longer agree what genders even are.

But I the OP statement is still anecdotal rhetoric driven nonsense.



TL;DR We agree the USA is equal in terms of gender, apart from the abortion debate,
but I seem to view USA as generally crappier all around than you do.

a reply to: ForestSpirit77

You should sell Gillette razors
If some women didn’t lie, manipulate and destroy their own lives, kids lives and a mans life, probably go someway to reducing the problem

There are lots of issues, choose better is the obvious

Kinda getting sick of the moralising matriarchal society lately

a reply to: BingoMcGoof

I smell AI in the OP.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: BingoMcGoof

I smell AI in the OP.

Cheers

Yeah, it's ultimately a silly, pointless opinion thread.

a reply to: watchitburn

Pointing out global gender inequality is propoganda now?

I think we are discussing two different things here.
One is gender equality, such as in how much freedom women have, how they are treated in the work force and what they are 'allowed' to do.
Yes, western countries fare much better than the obvious other countries we all know about.
Even then, I as a female have still experienced restrictions, blatant distegard and other small things men would just never experience, due to the fact that women are different physically and hence sometimes seen as little pets rather than actual adult humans.

However it has never been an actual problem for me as I can hold my own and laugh about these things.

Next is the actual OP, which is about physical harm to women by male partners or other males.
Completely different subject.
In the world, six women are killed by a male every hour.
92% of women killed in the US are killed by a man.
Being a woman feels like being a prey animal.
All woman have a near miss story to tell, far too many had been forced to things they didn't want doing, but do not bother to go to the police with it, due to feeling guilty or ashamed or feel that if no actual violence was used, it isn't worth going to the police for. Yet the still suffer and it makes them feel horribble.

So please don't interchange these two facts willy nilly to either show your hatred of women or to push an agenda.

originally posted by: Hecate666
I think we are discussing two different things here.
One is gender equality, such as in how much freedom women have, how they are treated in the work force and what they are 'allowed' to do.
Yes, western countries fare much better than the obvious other countries we all know about.
Even then, I as a female have still experienced restrictions, blatant distegard and other small things men would just never experience, due to the fact that women are different physically and hence sometimes seen as little pets rather than actual adult humans.

However it has never been an actual problem for me as I can hold my own and laugh about these things.

Next is the actual OP, which is about physical harm to women by male partners or other males.
Completely different subject.
In the world, six women are killed by a male every hour.
92% of women killed in the US are killed by a man.
Being a woman feels like being a prey animal.
All woman have a near miss story to tell, far too many had been forced to things they didn't want doing, but do not bother to go to the police with it, due to feeling guilty or ashamed or feel that if no actual violence was used, it isn't worth going to the police for. Yet the still suffer and it makes them feel horribble.

So please don't interchange these two facts willy nilly to either show your hatred of women or to push an agenda.

What's the difference between a battered woman and a dead woman? A gun in the home.

The impact of gun violence against women goes beyond fatal encounters. A 2016 study found that nearly 1 million women alive at that time had been shot by an intimate partner, and 4.5 million women had been threatened with a firearm.4 Firearms have long been used as a tool of power and control to instill fear and inflict abuse on women—with women of color, people in the LGBTQ community, and women with disabilities being disproportionately affected.

www.americanprogress.org...

Yeah I kind of felt like referring to them as hoes was a wrong direction to fat bottom gurls. Hoes do not make the rocking world go round at all.

Also in the healthcare system woman are treated differently than men.

Consider this: women in pain are much more likely than men to receive prescriptions for sedatives, rather than pain medication, for their ailments. One study even showed women who received coronary bypass surgery were only half as likely to be prescribed painkillers, as compared to men who had undergone the same procedure. We wait an average of 65 minutes before receiving an analgesic for acute abdominal pain in the ER in the United States, while men wait only 49 minutes.

These gender biases in our medical system can have serious and sometimes fatal repercussions. For instance, a 2000 study published in The New England Journal of Medicine found that women are seven times more likely than men to be misdiagnosed and discharged in the middle of having a heart attack. Why? Because the medical concepts of most diseases are based on understandings of male physiology, and women have altogether different symptoms than men when having a heart attack.

www.health.harvard.edu...

Stereotypes about gender affect how doctors treat illnesses and approach their patients. For example, a 2018 study found that doctors often view men with chronic pain as “brave” or “stoic,” but view women with chronic pain as “emotional” or “hysterical.”

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

If men treat women like women they're sexist if they treat them like everyone else they're abusive...

Women can do everything men do and men even treat women as equals... Men are savages.
trust me women will always be save from the savage men world in the safety bubble called kitchen.

No moaning allowed in men's world... Man up or make sandwiches...

a reply to: ForestSpirit77


I am tired of this constant suggestion that because there are women who are or have been abused that all women are somehow abused and also the connotation that men are never abused by women. The reality of humanity is that all humans are capable of abusing or being abused and that is the real problem.

Furthermore if you are to isolate this to the "west", I would have to wonder what planet you are actually on to suggest that women have it bad here. I have been all over this planet and I must confirm that not only do women have more opportunity in the west than anywhere else it can be argued quite easily that they have more opportunities in an economic and healthcare sense than any male does.

I would take stars away from you if I could,

Another example of how women are treated differently, this time in politics.

If you were to ask any gender equality organization, coalition, collective or feminist action group, most would agree that there needs to be more female leaders. Further, there is a dire need to have more women in leadership as heads of state, Presidents, and in high-level political positions – in 2018, roughly only 23.8% of parliamentarians globally were women. However, when women are in leadership roles, especially as heads of state or running for political office – what treatment is historically reserved for them? For most women in politics, they are subjected to an unfair display of sexism and misogyny.

natoassociation.ca...

a reply to: Hecate666
My thoughts exactly as I read this thread!
I have a twin sister, and her life has always been harder than mine, all because I'm a six foot fit male dealing with prick horrible men, and she is a small female.
I have never ever felt physically at risk, or threatened by a female, but my sister has dealt with threatening males all our lives.

...I agree with the OP, and I thank God I was born male.

originally posted by: dust2023
a reply to: ForestSpirit77


I am tired of this constant suggestion that because there are women who are or have been abused that all women are somehow abused and also the connotation that men are never abused by women. The reality of humanity is that all humans are capable of abusing or being abused and that is the real problem.

Furthermore if you are to isolate this to the "west", I would have to wonder what planet you are actually on to suggest that women have it bad here. I have been all over this planet and I must confirm that not only do women have more opportunity in the west than anywhere else it can be argued quite easily that they have more opportunities in an economic and healthcare sense than any male does.

I would take stars away from you if I could,

I suggest reading my comment a few above yours, it will open your eyes a little and may change your opinion [I doubt that]. However it explains everything you are questioning [and hating about us wicked women] from a western female point of view.
I am no victim [despite actually having been one], because I can deal with things.
You are tired of us women suggesting we are all victims and need special treatment. You are right, not all women have it bad, especially not in the western world. That doesn't mean there aren't still too many getting murdered and battered simply because they are weaker than an angry dude.

As I said, I don't want to repeat myself, if you really cared, read my post above.
I am a bit embarrassed when men get stroppy about facts. This isn't all men by a long shot [!], only those who kind of hate women deep down. That is also a fact, and you are showing your bias.

originally posted by: QRST4D
a reply to: JinMI

I see your point. I addressed the title more than the OP. Fair.

Women's rights and violence against women are closely intertwined, however. According to this NIH report

Of the 30 countries with the lowest prevalence estimates for past year physical or sexual violence, or both (up to 4%), 24 were high-income countries. 23 of the 30 countries within this lowest prevalence range were in Europe. The other seven were Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, Sri Lanka, and Uruguay.

Care to compare the countries on WEF's list to the one from NIH?

In a way, I understand the animosity toward the WEF on ATS. But the way I see it, since Donald Trump has participated in WEF meetings, it should be fair game to use them as a source. It seems to be the prevailing attitude that whatever Trump touches turns to gold.

If you know anything about statistics at all, you surely realize they are only as accurate as the source they were gleaned from as well as how a nation accepts and records reports. Also, how are they figuring in unreported statistics? Answer? They guess.

Ask China and any Islamic country for their statistics on this topic. If you get them at all, you can bet they will look a lot better than reality.

Most of those statistics are propaganda, just like the evening news, and some of the posts in this thread.

a reply to: Hecate666


Your "name" and avatar suggest you are a witch or at least interested in witchcraft. Since you are of the devil and believe do what thou whilst, why should anyone believe anything you say when by your own spiritual guise lying is great as long as it benefits you?

originally posted by: Hecate666
I think we are discussing two different things here.
One is gender equality, such as in how much freedom women have, how they are treated in the work force and what they are 'allowed' to do.
Yes, western countries fare much better than the obvious other countries we all know about.
Even then, I as a female have still experienced restrictions, blatant distegard and other small things men would just never experience, due to the fact that women are different physically and hence sometimes seen as little pets rather than actual adult humans.

However it has never been an actual problem for me as I can hold my own and laugh about these things.

Next is the actual OP, which is about physical harm to women by male partners or other males.
Completely different subject.
In the world, six women are killed by a male every hour.
92% of women killed in the US are killed by a man.
Being a woman feels like being a prey animal.
All woman have a near miss story to tell, far too many had been forced to things they didn't want doing, but do not bother to go to the police with it, due to feeling guilty or ashamed or feel that if no actual violence was used, it isn't worth going to the police for. Yet the still suffer and it makes them feel horribble.

So please don't interchange these two facts willy nilly to either show your hatred of women or to push an agenda.

That second part is darker than hell and something all of us ought to get to understand.

Men can never understand a woman's societal experiences because they would have to be a women to actually experience the truth.

originally posted by: quintessentone
Men can never understand a woman's societal experiences because they would have to be a women to actually experience the truth.

yeah even if you throw on a dress and some lippy you arent gonna have a clue.

a reply to: Klassified

So what would be acceptable evidence for you to take the stats seriously? Or are stats suddenly no good for this subject?