The Untold Story of Malaysian Flight MH370

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yes that makes sense.
One thing though is the advance in FLIR technology since it was used back in the cold war. Recently we used a FLIR system to test the backplanes of computers that were so sensitive, you could see color animations as certain signals propagated. Cool stuff.

originally posted by: jrod
No debris field...yet a year to 2 years later a handful of debris found in South Africa and Madagascar 8s hardly conclusive.

I just find it hard to believe that bo debris field, no oil slick was found...that is what is most bizarre.

What is really bizarre are your comments. When the serial number of the wing flap found matches the missing plane, how is that not conclusive? Some of the other parts didn't have serial numbers, so you could say those weren't conclusive even if they were likely, but how is the serial number match not conclusive? That's about as conclusive as it gets.


Wing Flap Confirmed as Malaysia Airlines Debris

Regarding your expectations for a so-called "debris field", again this is an extremely bizarre comment. The plane didn't crash in a desert, for example, which might leave a debris field. We already know from the above photo of the part with confirmed serial number that ocean currents spread some of the debris long distances from the likely crash area.

The likely location of the remaining debris that didn't get scattered by ocean currents is usually so deep that so you can't "see" it, optically unless you have a bright light source in your search sub and even then it will have limited range based on visibility. Sonar mapping can show large pieces like if the fuselage remained intact, but if the plane disintegrated into smaller pieces like the one in the photo above, those could be very hard to "see" acoustically with sonar mapping. Also, don't forget the initial searches were conducted in the wrong ocean, when it might have been possible to spot an oil slick, but there's no guarantee an oil slick would be seen, if there ever was one. The seas in the suspected crash area are usually pretty rough. By the time they started searching in the correct ocean, it was already long enough for an oil slick to have dissipated (again, no guarantee there ever was an oil slick).

I could go on and on about the hourly pings from the aircraft which suggested it was still flying and not teleported anywhere.
MH370 is a mysterious case to be sure, but when there's so much solid evidence stacked up against some wild theories to begin with, like the verified serial number, those wild theories are non-starters.

How satellite ‘pings’ revealed missing Malaysia flight MH370’s final path

They established an “extraordinary matching” between Inmarsat’s predicted southern path and readings from other planes on such routes.

They showed that method matched other flights very well, and it showed MH370 was still flying. It's not accurate enough to give a very precise location, but it does give an indication of the general area where the plane was, as explained in that link, which is why they had a large search area rather than a small search area.

I'm very interested in and curious about the mysterious MH370 case, but when you deny facts like the matching serial number, that is not helping to solve the remaining mystery.

a reply to: charlyv

Some of the new systems are getting really insane. I got to see a system in action in the early 90s on a Mud Hen on the ground. It was pretty wild back then, but the new stuff is insane. Teledyne FLIR announced the Boson+ increased to 320x256 resolution for small UAS platforms. It requires no active lighting and is the size of a sugar cube.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Wow. Yes, the inovation in the miniaturization of sensors and packaged with the smarts that run them is a big thing. It is such now that we will never know how much surveillance is really around we the public, let alone what is going on in science, industry and the military.

y..it was a joke meme..a classic.

point is no one knows..

but i would guess if i must..that it was a gov target project test or assassination.

a reply to: jrod

That video is all nonsense. MH370 was about to enter Chinese airspace and wouldn't turn around. It had "sensitive" material on board and was to land in Beijing. This could not be allowed to happen. As a last resort, MH370's "escorts" discarded the plane.

Any material that washed up, was about 1 year later. Absolutely no wreckage, or debris was found for 12 months. This plane was 100% obliterated into dust. The material that did finally arrive, which should have been days to a couple weeks, was purposely placed there.

Also, this disproves any flight simulations from the pilot, or agents that raided his home, or how it flew off course and eventually crashed into the ocean. That scenario is impossible.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

2 years after the crash, they make a nice foto OP to silence the growing conspiracy... still doesn't add up...

Where is the sound of the crash, we now know they heard the sub implode, that system isn't all that new either... There is alot that doesn't add up, the pilots private flight simulator with diego García as a destination and his last minute flight change.

And the biggest red flag are silent families

a reply to: Terpene

They don't have underwater networks around the world as detailed as SOSUS. The Fish Hook network covers a limited area between Japan and India, including Java to Indonesia, but there's a huge area that doesn't have any coverage, or extremely limited coverage.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Arbitrageur

2 years after the crash, they make a nice foto OP to silence the growing conspiracy... still doesn't add up...

Yet you post that in a conspiracy thread, your theory the photo op will silence conspiracy theories fails.

Where is the sound of the crash, we now know they heard the sub implode, that system isn't all that new either...

As explained by Zaph, not really a mystery.

There is alot that doesn't add up, the pilots private flight simulator with diego García as a destination and his last minute flight change.

If everything added up, it wouldn't be such a mystery, but that's not a reason to deny the serial number match. I'm not sure what your point is about the pilot's flight simulator, but as far as I can tell the captain with the flight simulator is the prime suspect for possibly crashing the plane on purpose, though his motives are a little hazy if that's what happened.

And the biggest red flag are silent families

You lost me on that one, you'll have to explain that some more. How many times can the families ask Malaysian Air where their family member is and get the same answer over and over again before they realize it's pointless to keep asking? Once they found the serial number match on the wing flap that should have brought some closure at least, that the plane had crashed. What exactly do you expect to happen that's different from what's happened? Why is any of this a red flag? I heard the families wailing plenty before they confirmed the plane had crashed.

S + F

I love teleportation experiment stories. One of the first conspiracy theories I ever read was about the philadelpia project.

Funny I watched this just today. It's a anime horror story about a "warp train" that manipulates time to reach its destination in seconds. But in order to do that, it has to first spend an eternity inside another dimension. When the train reaches its destination government agents kill all the lifeforms inside and basically clone the passengers. The clones reach the destination.



I read the same trope in a science fiction short story too. Humanity gets teleporter technology from aliens, but the technology creates a duplicate of you at the destination, and vaporizes the original. So the truth is, you actually die when you're teleported.

That's actually the same premise as teleporters in Star Trek. What happens to you when you're converted into energy? You're dead. All those times O'brien complained about people caught in a buffer - he's talking about a pile of electrons.

Fun stuff.

The satellite footage is pure gold. The video is very compelling and I no longer think flight MH370 crashed.

originally posted by: MalOscp
The satellite footage is pure gold. The video is very compelling and I no longer think flight MH370 crashed.

Maybe you can answer me, as my previous question was ignored: which footage is supposed to be from a satellite?

a reply to: ArMaP

It's in the first video in the OP.

a reply to: MalOscp

Except that the satellite they claim shot said footage can’t shoot said footage. It’s a SIGINT satellite. It doesn’t carry any optical capability, infrared or otherwise. The angles are all wrong for it to be satellite as well.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Why would I trust a rando on this forum as to the capabilities of a USA spy satellite? Their capabilities are classified. The dude in the video mentions someone has already received the death penalty for leaking spy satellite footage.

Sorry I don't believe you. Just flat out.

a reply to: jrod

SF I had been seeing the videos pop up lately glad someone made a thread

a reply to: MalOscp

Yet you trust a YouTube video, made by some rando on YouTube. Oh the irony.

From the video transcript, since you trust the video so much:

islands the nrol22 told us this is a spy satellite footage although it's not being taken by NRL 22 that seems to be a
22:46
command satellite that hangs out around the North Pole and the idea if you're on the North Pole you can kind of see everywhere right so a really good
22:52
location for a command satellite theoretically now what happened though this video got

So tell me again how a satellite with no optical capability shot this video. That's the only time the transcript mentions a specific satellite. It claims the video was shot from an MQ-1C using an infrared camera.

I've also seen it claimed the video was shot by NROL-33, which, again, is a problem, because that wasn't launched until May of 2014.

As for the death penalty for leaking satellite footage, please, show me the article about it. Because I sure as hell can't find it. The only information I can find about pursuing the death penalty for satellite information was in 2002, when Brian Regan was charged. He was charged with attempted espionage for trying to sell satellite secrets. The government pursued the death penalty, but he was sentenced to life in prison. He copied 20,000 pages of classified documents, had videos and computer disks in his possession.

a reply to: MalOscp

Thanks.

The first one, more than two hours long? I have to ignore it, I don't have time to watch a 10 minutes video, much less a two hours video.

Thanks anyway.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MalOscp

Yet you trust a YouTube video, made by some rando on YouTube. Oh the irony.

From the video transcript, since you trust the video so much:

"islands the nrol22 told us this is a spy satellite footage although it's not being taken by NRL 22 that seems to be a
22:46
command satellite that hangs out around the North Pole and the idea if you're on the North Pole you can kind of see everywhere right so a really good
22:52
location for a command satellite theoretically now what happened though this video got"

So tell me again how a satellite with no optical capability shot this video. That's the only time the transcript mentions a specific satellite. It claims the video was shot from an MQ-1C using an infrared camera.

The transcript quote mentions NRL-22 but it says that's not the satellite that took the video. So from just that I can't complain that the satellite mentioned doesn't have optical capabilities. But there are plenty of other things to complain about:
-It doesn't look like a satellite video. I agree with you the angles are wrong.
-For the first part of the video the guest seems like a normal guy, but at this point it becomes painfully clear he's completely disconnected from reality and has huge congnitive distortions about how the world works. Most obviously, there is no such thing as a satellite that "hangs out around the North Pole". There are satellites in polar orbits but if that's what he meant, that's what he should have said, because they spend as much time passing the south pole as they do passing the north pole so they definitely don't "hang out" around the north pole.
-"the idea if you're on the North Pole you can kind of see everywhere right", seems like another silly statement that says this guy is clueless, that's not right. How much the earth blocks views of the earth or other satellites depends primarily on the altitude of the satellite. The earth isn't a perfect sphere but the oblate shape isn't so significant that it allows one to claim that you can see everywhere from the north pole.

I could go on about the flaws in his congitive machinery, but they are disturbing considering how normal he sounds otherwise.

He talks about how Reddit banned his topic, saying it was debunked, then he created another subreddit, that was banned for the same reason, then he created another subreddit, and that was also banned according to an update that flashes on the video. He blames the metabunk crowd for the debunks which he doesnt agree with, so I guess I'll post the metabunk link here so people can see the other side of the story:

Alleged Flight MH370 UFO Teleportation Videos [Hoax]
I don't know if people who believe the hoax will be convinced it's a hoax, but I hope I can convince people that satellites do not "hang out around the North Pole" as the man claims. That's not how orbital mechanics work.

The metabunk debunk also references another debunk:
MH370: Why these two videos don't show what happened to the lost plane

The FRANCE 24 Observers team showed the video to several specialists in UFO videos and online hoaxes. All three were familiar with this video and explain some indications that suggest it is fake.

The caption on the same video posted in August 2014 says that it is a graphic creation.

originally posted by: ArMaP
a reply to: MalOscp

Thanks.

The first one, more than two hours long? I have to ignore it, I don't have time to watch a 10 minutes video, much less a two hours video.

Thanks anyway.

As Zaph quoted from the transcript, the man in the video actually says the video was NOT shot from the NRL-22 satellite, re-posted above. But it doesn't look like video from ANY kind of satellite so the people who are talking about satellite video haven't clarified their case, or missed the part where he said it was NOT taken by the NRL-22 satellite. If you watch the first 60 seconds of the 2+ hour long video, you can see the fake-looking video which metabunk claims is a hoax, and which the video caption of the same video says is a graphic creation.

a reply to: jrod

(Just made it through the OP and none of the comments yet)

That's really interesting! I'm not sure what to think but the one video in the OP is really worth the 7 minutes. I can't stop thinking about how many things like this that are caught on camera, satellite, radar, video, picture and we aren't even aware of it. Take these videos for example. Someone could have figured out if & what satellite would be in the area of the MH370 flight around the time of its disappearance and pulled the video data and voila there it was the whole time recording a corroborated event. (not sure that's how it works or not)

Whenever I watch the two different perspective videos there's a certain, "Too good to be true" feeling I get. Now there is allegedly a 3rd video/perspective. I do find it odd though that if it were hoaxed they would go through the trouble of (now 3) different perspective videos. I thought the most interesting piece from the video was the hole that the airplane left in the clouds around it when it disappeared.


Jrod, do you think these videos are authentic?