How Israel Was Created

In this film, they go into historical and political aspects that the Israeli government / politicians have used to create a new home. They still have failed to show that Palestinian leaders were not pro peace, and they wanted to remove Israeli innocent civilians that have right to live peacefully.

How do you feel about Hamas' presence in Palestine and their oppression of the citizens? What would it take for Palestinian residents to rise up against the warmongering Hamas rebels?

a reply to: nugget1

In case of "Two" states solution:
To replace Hamas, Palestinians should be allowed to have their own army. Without a real army to protect the civilians, another militia group will just pop-up. Hamas should be removed of course, there is no place in the modern world for Hamas.

I have other solutions but let them go with two states solution, it is not bad at all.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: nugget1

In case of "Two" states solution:
To replace Hamas, Palestinians should be allowed to have their own army. Without a real army to protect the civilians, another militia group will just pop-up. Hamas should be removed of course, there is no place in the modern world for Hamas.

I have other solutions but let them go with two states solution, it is not bad at all.

Israel IS trying to remove Hamas. There doesn't seem to be a peaceful way to do that, though.

a reply to: nugget1

I agree, but the civilian death toll is tooooo high. The use of indiscriminate mass destruction weapons in civilian areas led to destruction of 11, 000 buildings and death of 3700 children. The use of human shield excuse is invalid, Israel is the one who has been doing that. Early today I have seen posts here by fellow ATS members of Israeli air bombing of a UN shelter for civilians (School) and perhaps the hospital bombing (We all know Israeli government and politicians have history of false flags such as USS Liberty when they killed Americans to blame it on Egyptians). This is unacceptable.



I believe that what Israel is doing right now it not removing Hamas, but supporting Hamas. The more civilian death toll, the more anger in the Palestinian society. That means more support and recruits for Hamas to take revenge for the death of their families.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: nugget1

I agree, but the civilian death toll is tooooo high. The use of indiscriminate mass destruction weapons in civilian areas led to destruction of 11, 000 buildings and death of 3700 children. The use of human shield excuse is invalid, Israel is the one who have been doing that. Early today I have seen posts here by fellow ATS members of Israeli air bombing of a UN shelter for civilians (School) and perhaps the hospital bombing (We all know Israeli government and politicians have history of false flags such as USS Liberty when they killed Americans to blame it on Egyptians). This is unacceptable.

I believe that what Israel is doing right now it not removing Hamas, but supporting Hamas. The more civilian death toll, the more anger in the Palestinian society. That means more support and recruits for Hamas to take revenge for the death of their families.

And if the IDF had stood down the death toll would be in reverse.
When you look at all of the protests around the world it looks like this is more about disrupting western nations then it is about the constant fight with Islamic radicals, which has been going on for generations.

a reply to: nugget1

IDF shouldn't stand down but limit the usage of mass destruction weapons in civilian areas and let the civilians in Gaza get enough water, food, medical supplies and electricity.

a reply to: Mawdano

The more civilian death toll, the more anger in the Palestinian society. That means more support and recruits for Hamas to take revenge for the death of their families

Very important lesson when dealing with religious extremist fractions...
It's a well establish fact that tribal violence breads more violence, which makes me think TPTB are at it again, and the best thing is grab some popcorn and watch the lemmings leap over the edge...

a reply to: Terpene

It might seem like we can sit with pop corn and watch. The reality is that when the war expands, which is likely to happen, it's going to cause a crazy refuges crisis. The problems in Europe due to uncontrolled immigration will double.

a reply to: Mawdano

You keep using that photo of the kid on the hood of that vehicle in every thread you post in.
You probably didn’t know that he was put there so that his friends would stop throwing rocks at the Israelis.
A bit different than hamas using the gaza innocents as a buffer between their command/weapons caches and Israeli ordinance.

a reply to: VermiIion

You keep using that photo of the kid on the hood of that vehicle in every thread you post in. You probably didn’t know that he was put there so that his friends would stop throwing rocks at the Israelis.

Okay, so the kid is used as human shield against his will. This is not the only picture or video I have, I have so maany of them.

A bit different than hamas using the gaza innocents as a buffer between their command/weapons caches and Israeli ordinance.

Do you have any evidence to backup this lie?

a reply to: Mawdano

It might seem like we can sit with pop corn and watch.

Watch me... Not even a need to hold my beer.

Turn off mass media and the world isn't all that bad... And if your neighborhood is, I'm sure a conflict halfway around the world isn't affecting it one way or another.

Yet the fear instilled by media does affect everyone negatively, compassion and reason are circumvented and some retard programs start taking over rational thoughts...

Lemmings...

a reply to: Mawdano

Good historical reference to the place, there is more to it but a strong start.

It is quite a mongrel with British support and Poland leadership. Comes across as an European invasion into the Middle East with the way it is playing out. The first time I came across the term Zionist was looking into the suspect list for 9/11. Came across as some kind of Jew-Nazi? In recent weeks it has become clear that Zionism is about a Greater Israel. Some of these plans go back hundreds of years.

a reply to: kwaka

Warning: My definition is not the formal or the common definition. It is my own

Zionism: Is a political movement by people who are considered to be Jews, but many of them are not practicing religion (They are atheists). They maybe called Jews because they had an ancestor that was religious. Their goal is to create a country for themselves because antisemitism was high in Europe. There is no clear reason of why Europeans where antisemitic but many historians claim that it was due child sacrifice rituals that led to death of many European children and the Zionists banking system that was based on usury which has caused a lot of economic troubles. It is the same banking system we use today but a lot of improvements were added. Some historians report that the Zionists got kicked from European cities more than 1000 times.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: nugget1

In case of "Two" states solution:
To replace Hamas, Palestinians should be allowed to have their own army. Without a real army to protect the civilians, another militia group will just pop-up. Hamas should be removed of course, there is no place in the modern world for Hamas.

I have other solutions but let them go with two states solution, it is not bad at all.

When are people going to educate themselves on the Islamic religion enough to realize that the Muslim Palestinians DO NOT WANT A SEPERATE STATE! They want the WHOLE state and would rather die than allow the Jews to have their own state next to them. Its as simple as that. The Muslims outnumber the non-Muslims, so a secular army and state is an unrealistic fantasy.

a reply to: Deetermined2

Well, Palestine was an country owned by Palestinians, and we understand that European Jews had a problem in Europe so they wanted a place to live. I believe that the grand mistake happened when they attempted to construct the country using fire power instead of using other means such as money. For instance USA paid for Russia to acquire Alaska peacefully.

a reply to: Mawdano

Money only buys corruption. It never buys long term peace. Hamas has been stealing Palestinian aid for decades to prepare for this moment. The USA and Russia aren't ruled by opposing religions either.

a reply to: Mawdano

Well, Palestine was an country owned by Palestinians...

Palestine has never been a state or a people nationality. If the video you posted told you they were, it is wrong, historically and presently.

a reply to: Klassified

Israel former prime minister




Update for Clarification:
Ottoman Empire was like USA. It had states, so New York has no independent nationality as it is part of USA. When Palestine gained it's independence from Ottoman Empire, they issued their own passports (By British Government).

a reply to: Mawdano

Your point?