I took my 15 year old for a wellness checkup…

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JJproductions

Fair enough.

He is there to support the medical health of the community, but he cannot if they ignore his professional advice and refuse.

Just as you have every right to walk out, your doctor has every right to refuse service and/or refer you elsewhere.

He also has to consider his other patients. If he allowed numbers of people who are more likely to have various infectious endemic illnesses to congregate and concentrate in his offices, that presents a risk to others in the community.

He can't do it all by magic, ya know.

Oh brother! Apologist for big pharma and the socialist totalitarian state. Not that I expected anything different.

doctors polled believe their peers are more likely to perform unnecessary procedures when they profit from them. “The elephant in the room—sometimes—is, of course, money. Some physicians have a direct financial conflict of interest in making decisions as to what patients should receive. Physicians who own surgical, laboratory, or radiological centers receive extra compensation from the services they advocate for their patients,” Dr. Carroll wrote. “More pervasively, the entire health care system is subtly and indirectly influenced by reimbursement.” Not Even the Pandemic Slowed Down Overtreatment.

www.theepochtimes.com...

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a reply to: chr0naut
A number of diseases have been eradicated from the States, only to cone back through the Southern border. That being said, measles vaxx is not mRNA.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Annee
If my 15-year-old referred to shots as poison -- a conspiracy theory.

I'd be really concerned.

Table salt and refined sugar are poisons too.

Some vaccines are poisons, but are in such small amounts that they pose little risk.

Some vaccines are also diseases that could be deadly in other forms.

The problem is that many read some ridiculous online BS story and swallow that memetic poison whole. I wonder how many people have died so far through human history, of avoidance of common sense?

This volcanic soil is so good for growing stuff, we should live here! (I confess, I do actually live in Auckland, New Zealand, on the side of a volcanic hill).

Yeah, I know.

Getting kids involved in conspiracy theories. I have a 15-year-old. He brings something home -- I make him research all sides of it.

Viruses mutate. There's always a new virus. New science, new technology to keep up.

I'll trust the science.

My brother -- big Trump supporter believed the BS. Now dead.

Believed what bs? My roommates childhood family friend, mid 30’s was vaxxed and boosted…dead, myocarditis.
My brothers kayak buddy 50 yr old , fully vaxxed and boosted…dead, blood clot.
My band mates brother in law, early 50’s fully vaxxed and boosted…. dead, multiple blood clots
All these people were very healthy.

CDC and most in the medical industry are aware of these issues, they just don’t advertise it. So I’m not so sure that what you’re calling bs is really bs.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Thank you for this!

I learned the very hard way, and ages before COVID, that doctors truly are some of the most embarrassingly stupid, worthless people you will ever cross paths with in life. First true medical issue in my life and I literally went to 28 doctors and 7 or 8 hospitals, with my rare diagnosis in hand, and thought I would go get the treatment I needed for the disease I researched a bit and found after not too long. Three years of being laughed out of doctors offices and hospitals, twice even threatened one hospital saying they’d call the police if I didn’t leave, and another with a doctor saying, “say that is what you have one more time and I will call down to psych and have them put you somewhere for a year, at which time I will visit you and ask you again what you have and if you claim that again, I’ll have them keep you for TWO years and then I will try again. I know a judge who would be awake right now and I am right about to call him and get his ok to act on this…”

It took seizures, two while driving even and plowing into a parked cars and coming to in somebody’s yard and then, having a stroke and nearly dying for anyone to stop misdiagnosing me with the exact same thing they treated me for 100 times and several psychiatry referrals (and in the non crazy world, it USED to be that psychiatry was a last resort if and ONLY if there is no physical issue causing your symptoms) and several years for someone to excitedly come in with me on my near death bed to inform me they figured it out. Nobody even cared or acknowledged the fact I had that exact diagnosis on a piece of paper after doing my own research and knowing where I had traveled in the world. Just brushed it off and took credit for it themselves.

Doctors are sick effing people and stupid as hell!

a reply to: AlexandrosOMegas

Omg, your story is so sad. I am sorry about the parked cars and the terrible doctors that did this to you. I know for a fact that we are our best doctors for our body!

You don’t have to tell us but it might help someone! What is your diagnosis?

a reply to: JJproductions

As a medical doctor myself, I am embarrassed for the way you and your minor child were treated. I am embarrassed for the whole profession of medicine, actually, but indeed this is what it has become to practice medicine these days. There is a 'divide' between doctors just as one exists between about all of society currently. Most doctors believe the MSM BS too hah, and who could think they would be special compared to anyone else?

I, for one, always put my patients first, and respect their beliefs, no matter what they may be. I have treated Amish, people of many faiths including Jehovah's Witnesses (who are comparatively anti-intervention minded), and such.

Patients should have the right to decide the fate of their own bodies, IMHO, and that comes first.

Unfortunately, only a minority of my medical peers would share this view anymore.

It is really sad the way healthcare has evolved, and even more sad that the giant healthcare cartel exerts so much control.

I would never dare to talk like this at the hospital, or openly with my peers, for fear of reprisal.

I can, however, talk freely here at ATS at least.

You will find a different doctor who is more in line with your own beliefs, and I wish you all the best.

a reply to: Fowlerstoad

Thank you for this! I do understand now why this happens. My family is in the medical field. Three doctors in my family and they have said the exact same thing you have said.

originally posted by: tarantulabite1

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: HatesFreshAir
are you the type who denies all vaccines and has a shocked pikachu face when your kid dies from measles?

No one in the US has died from measles in the last 10 years, it's not a deadly disease. You have no idea what you're talking about. That includes the significant unvaxxt population like the Amish who by the way never get autism.

Measles has been considered eradicated from the USA since 2000, due to a fairly comprehensive vaccination campaign. The vaccines are usually given to children and protect for a lifetime. The fact that there have been few deaths in the last 10 years probably relates to the entire population (except for a few) having been vaccinated against it.

Measles Vaccination - CDC
Measles Cases and Outbreaks

Speaking of which, kids have died from the measles vaccine in the last 10 years, but not from the virus.

So go away with that nonsense. The vaccine is garbage as it is and pretending that all vaccines are the same and everyone has to have a one sized fits all approach regardless of genetics and pretending pharma isn't making 100 billion a year from them.

The article in Health Impact News on 4 February 2015 was incorrect. A US woman had died from Measles that year, and there were two in 2009, and also one in 2010.

The VARES reports indicate only about 100 deaths after measles vaccinations for the years 2013 to 2022, which is about 11 per year, compare that with the 400-to-500 that died per year from measles prior to vaccination in the US, that has to be a reduced risk.

Speaking of the Measles I remember reading about this .....

Measles Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Gov. Researchers Confirm - LINK

Research reveals that a vaccinated individual not only can become infected with measles, but can also spread it to others who are also vaccinated against it - doubly disproving that the administration of multiple doses of MMR vaccine is "97% effective," as widely claimed

Measles outbreak likely caused by vaccinated children, science shows - LINK

And based upon the reduction in cases after immunizations, how likely are you in real life, to get measles from an immunized person?

originally posted by: EyeoftheHurricane

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JJproductions

Fair enough.

He is there to support the medical health of the community, but he cannot if they ignore his professional advice and refuse.

Just as you have every right to walk out, your doctor has every right to refuse service and/or refer you elsewhere.

He also has to consider his other patients. If he allowed numbers of people who are more likely to have various infectious endemic illnesses to congregate and concentrate in his offices, that presents a risk to others in the community.

He can't do it all by magic, ya know.

Oh brother! Apologist for big pharma and the socialist totalitarian state. Not that I expected anything different.

Surely the complaint against "Big Pharma" is that they are purely and supremely Capitalist?

Socialists would not condone non-governmental hyper-capitalism like that, and capitalists would not appreciate their acquisitiveness being diluted for social equitability reasons.

That's the thing about so many conspiracy theories, with so many authors of each little bit of speculative fiction, when you try and put them all together, they are self-contradictory.

originally posted by: EyeoftheHurricane
a reply to: chr0naut
A number of diseases have been eradicated from the States, only to cone back through the Southern border. That being said, measles vaxx is not mRNA.

Not only via the Southern border, but also from other continents:

National Update on Measles Cases and Outbreaks — United States, January 1–October 1, 2019

All versions/brands of MMR or MMRV immunizations are 'live attenuated virus' types. Live viruses are inherently more risky than mRNA immunizations.

originally posted by: Annee
If my 15-year-old referred to shots as poison -- a conspiracy theory.

I'd be really concerned.

We all know that your child can't even raise her own kid.If I were you I would be more concerned about that.
If you have a problem with conspiracies then why are you even here?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: Annee

No one cares what communists might think.

We all know they will endanger their children to fit in with the current group think.

Do you have any other "lines" in your joke book?

That one's getting really old. At least half of ATS would agree with me.

You vastly over estimate the number of your comrades on ATS.

a reply to: chr0naut

You say it is “ utterly childish” to think there is a magic bullet. Well thank you for agreeing with what those of us that are anti-jab have been saying.

I have never run into this, but it doesn’t shock me. BTW, what State (or country) are you in?
a reply to: JJproductions

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268

Hippocratic Oath


“I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius the surgeon, likewise Hygeia and Panacea, and call all the gods and goddesses to witness, that I will observe and keep this underwritten oath, to the utmost of my power and judgment.

I will reverence my master who taught me the art. Equally with my parents, will I allow him things necessary for his support, and will consider his sons as brothers. I will teach them my art without reward or agreement; and I will impart all my acquirement, instructions, and whatever I know, to my master’s children, as to my own; and likewise to all my pupils, who shall bind and tie themselves by a professional oath, but to none else.

With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage. Nor shall any man’s entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child.

Further, I will comport myself and use my knowledge in a godly manner. I will not cut for the stone,but will commit that affair entirely to the surgeons. Whatsoever house I may enter, my visit shall be for the convenience and advantage of the patient; and I will willingly refrain from doing any injury or wrong from falsehood, and (in an especial manner) from acts of an amorous nature, whatever may be the rank of those who it may be my duty to cure, whether mistress or servant, bond or free.

Whatever, in the course of my practice, I may see or hear (even when not invited), whatever I may happen to obtain knowledge of, if it be not proper to repeat it, I will keep sacred and secret within my own breast. If I faithfully observe this oath, may I thrive and prosper in my fortune and profession, and live in the estimation of posterity; or on breach thereof, may the reverse be my fate!”

University of Alabama

The Hippocratic oath is outdated -- and few doctors sign it anymore.

What isn't outdated to a progressive? Anything yall don't like, you deem outdated.

a reply to: JJproductions

Can't help but be suspicious of a doctor who gets to charge for treatment pushing vaccines like this,
They push them here too but no NHS doctor has ever refused to treat me or mine over not getting a vaccine, they at least honour our wishes in that way.

a reply to: JJproductions

Good for you, and great job JJ! I see a pc Doc and GI for a few IBD's. They are always pushing the same 3 on me and threatening to drop me every other visit. I tell them every time, I'll find a new doctor and Gastroenterologist lickity split .

The funny thing is that I'm on a biologic (infusion) that destroys my immune system and live vaccines (certain flu shots, etc.) could be detrimental while simultaneously on a biologic. I don't think they really understand the fine line they are playing with sometimes... Nor do I think most care.

originally posted by: HatesFreshAir
are you the type who denies all vaccines and has a shocked pikachu face when your kid dies from measles?

So you're unaware that 99.9% of reported measles cases are mild (many/most are/were not even reported), and only aa tiny fraction of that result in serious injury or death - you know, kindof like this silly covid nonsense?