Realistic Solution to Palestinian-Isreali Conflict

a reply to: Mawdano

This takes time, so we can keep role play going while investigating all historical, statistical and religious claims.

You've already stated more than once you only want religious discussed by someone with a PHD.

If you want knowledge of the history behind the constant fighting in the ME there is plenty of information on the internet, but you'd have to invest the time to learn.

why doesn't anyone get it, there is no solution, that the whole situation with palestine is just a cover for a right wing Islamic nationalist movement, as long as israel exists it will continue, its all a result of Nazi propaganda that distorted the common beliefs of Islam to align similar to the evangelistic versions of Christianity in the US that speak of armageddon and all that stuff.

the conflict needs to continue or the abrahamic religions will disappear, as long as it continues and people are made to suffer they will keep believing, poverty and war fuels Christianity and Islam.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: FurPerson

You're not discussing the topic, you're making false historical claims with no data or statistics. That's for another day. If you want to participate and receive a reply from me, you can discuss the story. If you want to post false/manipulated historical information, you will be ignored.

No, the entire premise of your story is nothing but a gimmick to try to shame Americans into believing that Hamas are the good guys. They are not, and the entire thing is gog and Magog sprinkled with modern day CFR “managed conflict”
Truthfully though, Iranian and Syrian are beginning to pour over our southern border. So tell me, do they have some odd claim to the land here which relates to what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza?
Here’s the story
www.thegatewaypundit.com...

According to a Breitbart Exclusive, 100 Syrians and 50 Iranians were caught crossing the open border in October alone. From the Breitbart Exclusive: According to a source within CBP, the influx of Special Interest Migrants across the U.S./Mexico border continues early in the NEW fiscal year as nearly 100 Syrian and 50 Iranian nationals have been apprehended by the Border Patrol since the beginning of October. The source says the influx of Syrian and Iranian Special Interest Migrants is concerning, considering the turmoil unfolding in the Middle East.

Perhaps you are justifying the Hamas version of terrorism, and interpolating with the influx of likely terrorist activities about to be unleashed on unsuspecting Americans, while the leadership of this country stand by and let it happen with an unguarded border? What do you think we should do about it?

a reply to: namehere

Well it does seem to be incredibly “armageddonish” lately, and even the Archbishop Vigano had issued a warning of the possibility of WWIII. He speaks of the apparitions at Medugorge.

a reply to: nugget1

I did invest already. I'm working with follow members here to verify the facts.

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

I'm not discussing Hamas or other complicated matters without facts verification. If there is some historic / statistical point you would like to include to the story, please let me know.

The role play only includes the story on the first post and the facts that have been added by follow members and I have replied to them with the results of my own research.

a reply to: Mawdano

Stop being an apologist for Islam! The Quran is full of anti Jewish rhetoric. And then there’s the Hadith’s.

It was reported that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ 1 This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.
It was also reported on the authority of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: “The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them, till the stone says: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’” 2 This Hadith was reported by Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhy who said that it is a Hasan, Sahih Hadith.

Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. (9:5, “verse of the sword”)

Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden – such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled. (9:29, “verse of jizya”)”

JIHAD IN THE "QURAN".
Allah orders Muslims in the Quran to terrorize non-Muslims on His behalf.
"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies."
Surah 8:60
Fight (kill) them (non-Muslims), and God will punish, (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14
" I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.  It is not ye who slew them; it was God."
Surah 8:13-17.

The Jewish tribe expressed readiness to accept the surrender terms which had been conceded to the other two Jewish tribes, namely cession of their belongings and departure with safe conduct.
Mohammed, however, would not consent to this, and instead appointed as an arbiter Saad iben Moaz, a man who was known to be on bad terms with Bani Qurayza.  Saad ruled that all Bani Qurayza�s men should be beheaded, that the women and children should be sold as slaves, and that all their property should be divided among the Muslims.
Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina for disposal of the nine hundred Jewish bodies whom Mohammed had spent the night slaughtering. (See Ibn Hisham: The Propeht�s Biography: vol 2 pages 40&41.)
The third world is populated by uneducated people, the only education many get is religious doctrine (Islam). From the age of 5 children mainly boys are forced into a Madrasah and indoctrinated in the Quran with all its hatred of Jews. No wonder the Middle East has only ever known conflict and this ain’t going to end any day soon. Would you actually send a child of your own into this type of school? Not a chance! We’ve all seen pictures of young boys rocking back and forth repeating verses of the Koran. Shocking.

originally posted by: Radchad
a reply to: Mawdano

Stop being an apologist for Islam!

Sure, If another member want to verify the information for us, sure. I'm not trying to be biased but if there is someone else want to invest time at researching meaning being cryptic religious stuff, choose someone else. That shall save me much time trying to understand new things that are hard to understand for the sake of improving the discussion.

Verifying the information will take me at least 3 hours, so if doing the job means being apologetic lets choose someone else to be do the job.

originally posted by: Mawdano

originally posted by: Radchad
a reply to: Mawdano

Stop being an apologist for Islam!

Sure, If another member want to verify the information for us, sure. I'm not trying to be biased but if there is someone else want to invest time at researching meaning being cryptic religious stuff, choose someone else. That shall save me much time trying to understand new things that are hard to understand for the sake of improving the discussion.

Verifying the information will take me at least 3 hours, so if doing the job means being apologetic lets choose someone else to be do the job.

You are biased, it’s so easy to see from your first post in this thread, and I think it wasn’t the first one I’ve seen you make in favor of Palestine. It is a complicated mess, however there are people on this forum who have done their own research. I have cited Prof Antony Sutton on here many times regarding Hegelian dialectic and the Order of Skull and Bones and his many other books detailing how Wall Street financed the Bolshevik Revolution and the Nazis in ww11, even in my newer posts here after the break in of many vile trolls spewing so much venom, and you know I didn’t see anyone acknowledge that he was a research Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He was the first person to write about The Order, which controls so much of what is happening in the world today, and about how Hegelian Dialectic was imported into Yale University through the Russell Trust direct from Frankfurt. So excuse me if you think people here are not qualified to make their own reasoned opinions about the geopolitical situation here.
I happened across a lot of info regarding Labor Zionism, and how much it influenced the colonization and establishment of the State of Israel, along with the Balfour Agreement and the influence of the Rothschilds. That said, I am deeply aware of how the Order( you can just call it the Deep State now) of how the Order and or other individuals fund both sides of every ( Hegelian ) conflict and how they control the ongoing wars.
Gog and Magog, I’m not taking sides … except the side of the American people, and some people have agreed that right now that is the side that counts right now if you live in the States, and not a bunch of made up wars created by the superpowers of the Deep State.
I’m fairly certain that individuals coming over the southern border have ill will.
But I will not trust the opinion of someone who is an apologist for Hamas terrorism, especially when it may be coming to the US.
So excuse me for disagreeing with your position.

a reply to: Mawdano
Would Syria be part of the Middle East???
www.baptistpress.com...

SYRIA, (BP) — The Islamic State (formerly ISIS) is claiming responsibility for two attacks on Christians in northeast Syria that killed nine and wounded 71, as Christians continue to flee villages just outside a proposed safe zone at the Syria-Turkey border.

So, it took me all of 5 minutes or less to refute your position on that. And it doesn’t require a phd, it requires common sense.

Benjamin Netanyahu is using the wrong weapons to win this war.

He is killing thousands of innocent women men and children who should not have to die.

The first week after the attack on Israel, Netanyahu vowed to get rid of the five top Hamas leaders, no matter where they tried to hide.

That was the correct strategy.

Instead, he has chosen the bloody destabilizing route for getting rid of the Hamas organization.

It's Overkill to the point of being criminal...and downright stupid!

Donald Trump was correct in pointing out how Benjamin Netanyahu mysteriously avoids taking out the Top leaders of terrorist organizations, for reason.
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a reply to: Mawdano

The God of Islam is the god of the Jews and the god of the Christians. You only need to read the bible to find out what a vicious and nasty god it is. A thousand year ago European Christians were running around the Middle East slaughtering people all in the name of god. Fortunately Europe has evolved and people are now educated. But in the Middle East no, they’re still in the dark ages and the proponents of the Islamic religion won’t let the population move on. They want them uneducated. They want 5 year old in the madrasahs indoctrinated with hate towards non Muslims.

a reply to: Radchad
I’m thinking your god is the god of atheism/secular humanism ? Just asking

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Islamic State is a special operations group funded by USA/Saudi Arabia. That was what Joe Biden has said. Now why do you need PHD, because you don't understand how Church and Islam has been changed in the new world order. If you want to study Islam, try to look for facts before 1800 and for Christianity, look for facts before death of Jesus. Average Joe 5 minutes reading is worthless.

a reply to: Radchad

Madrasah is a special operations school funded by USA as Ron Paul has said. Military and CIA use religions as weapons of mass destruction. The operation involves teaching a specific curriculum in the Madrasah and Churches. That's why it's very important to study old religions instead of today's world forged versions. As I have indicated before, studying of Christian religion should only be limited to anything before death of Jesus and for Islam to be anything before 1800. Anything beyond that should be considered but taken with grain of salt. That's is why I have always said it is so hard to study religions and it needs a PHD to have a discussion without misinformation. Those who think they can have a five minutes read on internet to understand are day dreamers. That will never happen.

It takes me very long time to study the meaning / history / facts about things people post, and sometimes the evidence are not conclusive for claims people just make in just a minute.

originally posted by: Radchad
a reply to: Mawdano

Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden – such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled. (9:29, “verse of jizya”)”

It is going to take some time from me to study all the verses you have given, so we can resume the role-play and try to understand everything over time.

The first verse:

Many verses of the Quran, including 9:29, were revealed when an event occured. Unlike the Bible and most religious scriptures, the Quran does not record the circumstances that leads to a verse being revealed. The people at the time of the revelation would know what the revelation means (because they were facing the circumstances that led to the verse being revealed), but later people would have to refer to hadith and history to understand what went on at that time.

Prior to this verse being revealed, the Prophet had sent an emissary, Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi on an errand to carry a letter to the ruler of Busra. On his way, he was intercepted by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani, the governor of Al-Balqa and a close ally to Caesar, the Byzantine Emperor. Al-Harith was tied and beheaded by Al-Ghassani.

Following this, the Muslims sent an army of 3,000 to Balqa to seek revenge. However, they were badly outnumbered and eventually had to withdraw. This was the battle of Mu’tah.

The Romans then decided to take the battle to Madinah and began to gather a huge army of the Byzantines and pro-Roman Ghassanite tribes to launch a decisive bloody battle against the Muslims

It was at this point that verse 9:29 was revealed, to order the Muslims to prepare for battle. Consequently, the Muslims gathered an army of about 40,000 men and waited for the Romans in Tabuk.

When the Romans heard of the numerical strength of the Muslim army, they changed their mind about attacking the Muslims.

Verse 9:29 is not a general order to fight against Christians. It was a specific order to defend against the Romans.

Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. (9:5, “verse of the sword”)

This verse was revealed specifically in relation to the Early Muslims who were persecuted by Pagans of Makkah Polytheists), and has nothing to do with the Jews or the Christians ( People of the Book). This verse has been misused by religious extremists to develop the theology of hate and intolerance and warfare against non Muslims.

The idolaters were given four months notice to halt their aggression. Those four months are known as the FORBIDDEN MONTHS

So we now know that the grace period is FOUR MONTHS.


which means REPENTANCE, was revealed in the year 9 AH and it was aimed at the idolaters in and around Makkah at that time. Makkah was under the control of the Muslims after it was opened peacefully in the year 8 AH. Prophet Muhammad forgave the People of Makkah, but that kindness was met by hostility at a later date. They (pagans) started to persecute the Muslims in Makkah . They were creating a state of oppression and injustice . Muslims had to fight back in self defence to stop their community being massacred by those harsh idolaters.



When I have more time, I'll study more about what you have sent.

You are biased, it’s so easy to see from your first post in this thread, and I think it wasn’t the first one I’ve seen you make in favor of Palestine.

I'm biased to facts and studying. I spend so much time reading and studying.

A lot of people choose to accept misinformation which is the only thing that differentiates between me and most people.

I will not trust the opinion of someone who is an apologist for Hamas terrorism, especially when it may be coming to the US.

You can go through my profile and try to find a single "word" that I have used to support Hamas. I have told you, what differentiates between me and other average people is that I don't accept misinformation.

I understand that so many people don't have mental capacity or even time to read or understand critically. Being part of the few elites that are blessed with high intellect and mental capacity is not something I would shy away from praising.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

Islamic State is a special operations group funded by USA/Saudi Arabia. That was what Joe Biden has said. Now why do you need PHD, because you don't understand how Church and Islam has been changed in the new world order. If you want to study Islam, try to look for facts before 1800 and for Christianity, look for facts before death of Jesus. Average Joe 5 minutes reading is worthless.

And a phd is going to tell me that?
Ok giving you benefit of the doubt, I am aware that the UN one world religion has changed a lot of things. I
Am aware that Marxism has infiltrated the Church. I know that from my own research. I have friends who hail from Brazil, who have told me things.
I am aware of the creation of ISIS. It is the Deep State and the Prez is Deep State. They have thwarted the will of the people by manipulating the vote. I hope you are aware if this. It’s all over the news, but some Americans prefer the Biden puppet to the American Patriot and those who believe in God, country, family and liberty. I have spoken for years here about the havoc of socialism and communism, but young people have become indoctrinated into the way of socialism by their Marxist professors in the university. The communist party has wormed its way into the system, despite the efforts of patriots.
It’s not over yet though.
But don’t try to convince me of the innocence of people who go around beheading concert goers and detaining foreigners for political statement.

a reply to: EyeoftheHurricane

But don’t try to convince me of the innocence of people who go around beheading concert goers and detaining foreigners for political statement.

Beheading concert goers: This is a crime
Detaining foreigners for political statement: That depends, if you're an Arab living in US and saying that 9/11 is good then I think they have the right to detain you.