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What happened, what we know, what we don't know
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a reply to: ObsBartim37
I suppose some kind of "white list" was used and only those selected providers are accepted.
I have had emails from Portuguese providers refused by US sites, so I'm used to this kind of discrimination.
I suppose some kind of "white list" was used and only those selected providers are accepted.
I have had emails from Portuguese providers refused by US sites, so I'm used to this kind of discrimination.
originally posted by: ObsBartim37
I read that a gmail account can be fairly valuable. Around $30
500 gmails gives you $15k
How Much is Your Gmail Worth?
I see that the value is, apparently, linked to "the number of retail accounts you have tied to it", but in my case neither of my two (or three? I don't remember) Gmail addresses are linked to any retail account, so they probably are worthless.
a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels
Do you even begin to realize how many posts are made every day? And how many are alerted? We don't read every single post, and if you don't complain we miss a lot. I guarantee that we look just as hard at "mod friends" as we do everyone else. And they get just as much discussion. Yes, it appears that they don't get actioned as much, but because you decide something needs to be removed, doesn't mean the staff does. I've seen tons of posts that members decided were a violation that weren't. And many that members decided weren't, that were.
Those minor removals don't get someone banned. Unless it's something extremely egregious. There's far far more to the situation than a "minor response" if someone gets banned for it.
Do you even begin to realize how many posts are made every day? And how many are alerted? We don't read every single post, and if you don't complain we miss a lot. I guarantee that we look just as hard at "mod friends" as we do everyone else. And they get just as much discussion. Yes, it appears that they don't get actioned as much, but because you decide something needs to be removed, doesn't mean the staff does. I've seen tons of posts that members decided were a violation that weren't. And many that members decided weren't, that were.
Those minor removals don't get someone banned. Unless it's something extremely egregious. There's far far more to the situation than a "minor response" if someone gets banned for it.
edit on -18000pmp0220233158 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)
a reply to: ObsBartim37
You can request an account to be removed, but all that will happen is that it will be banned. Usually the response is to simply log off and don't return, but will ban it if the person thinks they will keep coming back.
You can request an account to be removed, but all that will happen is that it will be banned. Usually the response is to simply log off and don't return, but will ban it if the person thinks they will keep coming back.
(post by MoreCoyoteAngels removed for a manners violation)
a reply to: Zaphod58
Ok, if you say so.
If it's a judgement call and arbitrary, it's not going to be fair. It's that simple.
So, you complain about too many complaints, but our only way of receiving justice if we are modded is to complain more.
Ok.
It comes down to manners really. Just a little while ago, someone here insinuated I'm a racist.
Should I respond in kind or tattle all the time?
I chose to defend myself. But apparently if I do, I should have tattled first.
Im just saying, ya'll perfect mods can take a look at what it's like to have manners arbitrarily moderated. It's going to be prone to emotionality. That's the dang problem.
Ok, if you say so.
If it's a judgement call and arbitrary, it's not going to be fair. It's that simple.
So, you complain about too many complaints, but our only way of receiving justice if we are modded is to complain more.
Ok.
It comes down to manners really. Just a little while ago, someone here insinuated I'm a racist.
Should I respond in kind or tattle all the time?
I chose to defend myself. But apparently if I do, I should have tattled first.
Im just saying, ya'll perfect mods can take a look at what it's like to have manners arbitrarily moderated. It's going to be prone to emotionality. That's the dang problem.
edit on 10/31/2023 by MoreCoyoteAngels because: (no reason given)
a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels
The only time we've complained about too many complaints is.....never.
See, that's the problem here. The T&C that you agreed to say that you'll be civil, and you've been told repeatedly across the board not to respond to personal attacks, but you choose to respond and then complain when you go overboard with your response. And claim that reporting a post, as we've told you to over and over is "tattling".
The problem is that you have an issue with the mods because of what you see as arbitrary behavior without having all the facts and knowledge. No one has ever said the mods are perfect, and we've made mistakes, but until you get off your horse, and take the chip of your shoulder, it will never be good enough for you.
The only time we've complained about too many complaints is.....never.
See, that's the problem here. The T&C that you agreed to say that you'll be civil, and you've been told repeatedly across the board not to respond to personal attacks, but you choose to respond and then complain when you go overboard with your response. And claim that reporting a post, as we've told you to over and over is "tattling".
The problem is that you have an issue with the mods because of what you see as arbitrary behavior without having all the facts and knowledge. No one has ever said the mods are perfect, and we've made mistakes, but until you get off your horse, and take the chip of your shoulder, it will never be good enough for you.
a reply to: Zaphod58
Please forgive me, I didn't mean to get you all fluffy.
We saw the real value in moderation in the week you were gone. We need you. Badly. We want you. Me too.
It's just that it's irritating to have a self sufficient nature and be accustomed to responding when I'm attacked and not run for help. Its my personality. And because I didn't complain, the jerk I responded to sees a reason to then call a mod. I've done that too.... because I've finally seen that it's time to, before I go off the deep end.
One other thing I saw last week. People behaving quite well without mods and still disagreeing. It was like both ends of the extremes.
I just think there are alot of bad mod calls. THere are bound to be because 'manners' and 'off topic' is completely subjective.
But I do appreciate ya'll. It's a tough job.
Sorry you heard what I said more harshly than I meant. I will try to do better, I always do.
Please forgive me, I didn't mean to get you all fluffy.
We saw the real value in moderation in the week you were gone. We need you. Badly. We want you. Me too.
It's just that it's irritating to have a self sufficient nature and be accustomed to responding when I'm attacked and not run for help. Its my personality. And because I didn't complain, the jerk I responded to sees a reason to then call a mod. I've done that too.... because I've finally seen that it's time to, before I go off the deep end.
One other thing I saw last week. People behaving quite well without mods and still disagreeing. It was like both ends of the extremes.
I just think there are alot of bad mod calls. THere are bound to be because 'manners' and 'off topic' is completely subjective.
But I do appreciate ya'll. It's a tough job.
Sorry you heard what I said more harshly than I meant. I will try to do better, I always do.
originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
It's just that it's irritating to have a self sufficient nature and be accustomed to responding when I'm attacked and not run for help.
I would like to say that, in my point of view, is not "running for help" for yourself but for ATS.
When someone makes a complaint I see that as someone that sees things are going in a way that is likely to (or already) affecting ATS negatively and something needs to be done but only a staff member can do it.
Moderators are tools to help keep ATS flowing as it should, and sometimes we do have to borrow a tool from a friendly neighbour to do things in the best way.
But that's just my opinion.
a reply to: ArMaP2
I hear what you are saying. And it does present in a more positive way, than 'running for help'.... but it's still arbitrary. What I'm offended by and what you are offended by could very well be two different things.
I saw stars on the worst of went on last week. No accounting for other peoples tastes they say.
and your mileage may vary.
I hear what you are saying. And it does present in a more positive way, than 'running for help'.... but it's still arbitrary. What I'm offended by and what you are offended by could very well be two different things.
I saw stars on the worst of went on last week. No accounting for other peoples tastes they say.
and your mileage may vary.
a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels
Maybe you visit the wrong areas of ATS.
ATS always has the vast majority of members behaving and posting with civility.
In fact, a common comment is how well-behaved ATS is versus most other places on the internet.
One other thing I saw last week. People behaving quite well without mods and still disagreeing.
Maybe you visit the wrong areas of ATS.
ATS always has the vast majority of members behaving and posting with civility.
In fact, a common comment is how well-behaved ATS is versus most other places on the internet.
a reply to: DontTreadOnMe
I absolutely agree.
I usually just browse on 'recent' with my coffee and jump in with whatever strikes my fancy.
I appreciate people behaving as well. My only problem is when responding when someone comes at me part. And off topic part. I tend to wander. Im old.
So many times I say to myself 'we are supposed to be addressing the comment not the person', and watch how I saw something. And then they say something judgemental or negative to me. I report because they are addressing ME, not what I said.
Then someone else does exactly the same thing, and whoops, I've already complained to much.
ANd I got this 'cookie' remark like, here's a cookie, now go away and quit tattling already.
Wonder why I might feel that way?
I absolutely agree.
I usually just browse on 'recent' with my coffee and jump in with whatever strikes my fancy.
I appreciate people behaving as well. My only problem is when responding when someone comes at me part. And off topic part. I tend to wander. Im old.
So many times I say to myself 'we are supposed to be addressing the comment not the person', and watch how I saw something. And then they say something judgemental or negative to me. I report because they are addressing ME, not what I said.
Then someone else does exactly the same thing, and whoops, I've already complained to much.
ANd I got this 'cookie' remark like, here's a cookie, now go away and quit tattling already.
Wonder why I might feel that way?
edit on 10/31/2023 by MoreCoyoteAngels because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
ATS is hosted by GoDaddy. So I don't think ATS has dedicated servers and all support responsibility.
ATS is not hosted by GoDaddy... You must have done a Whois domain check on abovetopsecret.com and saw the registrar which is GoDaddy. You don't seem to know the difference between a registrar and a web host... lol
ATS is hosted on a server provided by IOFlood.com, and access to it is through Cloudflare DNS. This can be confirmed by yourself if you had more than basic "IT" knowledge which you just showed is questionable.
originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: ithappens
ROFLMAO.
Its not beyond my understanding and others that have worked in IT for 30 years.
You were trying to say the only way anyone can access a database behind "layers of security" is if they are system admins, but that is wrong.
If you are so knowledgeable then explain how one can read and write to a password protected database without a password.
edit on 31-10-2023 by
ithappens because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
I hear what you are saying. And it does present in a more positive way, than 'running for help'.... but it's still arbitrary. What I'm offended by and what you are offended by could very well be two different things.
That's why almost all mod decisions are made after earing other mods' opinions.
You (and I'm sure most members) would be surprised by how many discussions about actions to be done or not mods have.
That's one of the reasons why I have (on my original account) so many posts.
PS: I have done post removals and post bans without discussion, but they are all obvious spammers. A couple of months ago I saw some posts that could be from a spammer or not, so I asked for opinions about it. As the consensus was to leave it alone that's what we did.
Big thanks to Djarums for helping me and others get our old accounts back.
a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels
I am going to break a rule to disclose something from "the other side". We say, "time is on our side". We -- moderators -- say it because we take so dang long to talk about things. Almost all complaints are measured against the T&Cs and decided by consensus. We collectively err on the side of "no action", that is, to do nothing. As ArMap said, only obvious or horrific posts are actioned without consensus.
The entire point of moderators actioning posts is not to punish, but to augment discussion. When someone goes off the rails and causes a thread to go off topic, they aren't "OT"d" to punish them, but to help the thread get back on topic. We don't have personal skin in ANY of the complaints. I think that much of your misunderstanding is rooted in not reviewing the T&Cs. It's okay. Not a lot of people do. We have to. It's our ATS bible.
We're members also, just like you. We aren't this star chamber that sits in judgement. We're thrilled when there are no complaints, however we can't be everywhere. We are all volunteer, and unpaid. We do it because we love and respect ATS. It isn't "tattling", and when someone complains, we don't just look at that post, but the posts around it which caused it. We depend upon the members to let us know when things are wonky. You aren't always going to agree with our view, but it is mostly because we aren't personally engaged as you are. You are passionate about what you're thinking and writing, and that is a GOOD thing. Always a good thing. When we are in that passionate mode, however, we aren't always keeping the T&Cs in mind, are we?
Whenever members are actioned, they should respond to the moderator who did the action, if they have questions. We ALWAYS respond, and often copy the post. We will tell you why your post was actioned. We WANT you to know why it was actioned. It's not a secret. If you talk about that action on the open boards, that post will be removed, because the context is not also present.
We work really hard at all this, and we do it for you. All of you, and for ourselves, who are also ATS members. Always feel free to PM those of us that are active.
All best CoyoteAngel
argentus
I am going to break a rule to disclose something from "the other side". We say, "time is on our side". We -- moderators -- say it because we take so dang long to talk about things. Almost all complaints are measured against the T&Cs and decided by consensus. We collectively err on the side of "no action", that is, to do nothing. As ArMap said, only obvious or horrific posts are actioned without consensus.
The entire point of moderators actioning posts is not to punish, but to augment discussion. When someone goes off the rails and causes a thread to go off topic, they aren't "OT"d" to punish them, but to help the thread get back on topic. We don't have personal skin in ANY of the complaints. I think that much of your misunderstanding is rooted in not reviewing the T&Cs. It's okay. Not a lot of people do. We have to. It's our ATS bible.
We're members also, just like you. We aren't this star chamber that sits in judgement. We're thrilled when there are no complaints, however we can't be everywhere. We are all volunteer, and unpaid. We do it because we love and respect ATS. It isn't "tattling", and when someone complains, we don't just look at that post, but the posts around it which caused it. We depend upon the members to let us know when things are wonky. You aren't always going to agree with our view, but it is mostly because we aren't personally engaged as you are. You are passionate about what you're thinking and writing, and that is a GOOD thing. Always a good thing. When we are in that passionate mode, however, we aren't always keeping the T&Cs in mind, are we?
Whenever members are actioned, they should respond to the moderator who did the action, if they have questions. We ALWAYS respond, and often copy the post. We will tell you why your post was actioned. We WANT you to know why it was actioned. It's not a secret. If you talk about that action on the open boards, that post will be removed, because the context is not also present.
We work really hard at all this, and we do it for you. All of you, and for ourselves, who are also ATS members. Always feel free to PM those of us that are active.
All best CoyoteAngel
argentus
edit on 31/10/23 by argentus because: spellin'
a reply to: ithappens
I don't know dreck about IT. Bit I did reposted this, that had been previously posted in another thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
So my question is, what does this mean: "Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2024-05-18T23:00:00Z"
I don't know dreck about IT. Bit I did reposted this, that had been previously posted in another thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: andy06shake
I found an info page: www.godaddy.com...
Domain Name: abovetopsecret.com
Registry Domain ID: 257256_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: www.godaddy.com...
Updated Date: 2023-03-30T14:46:43Z
Creation Date: 1997-05-17T23:00:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2024-05-18T23:00:00Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
Someone should scoop up that domain name when it expires!
So my question is, what does this mean: "Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2024-05-18T23:00:00Z"
edit on 3920232023k25America/Chicago2023-10-31T18:25:39-05:0006pm2023-10-31T18:25:39-05:00 by Sookiechacha because: (no reason given)
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