The Real Truth About The Gaza Hospital Attack

a reply to: Leviathan4

To be fair God has always served the west as a war cry...

But yeah it's radical religions doing their thing one side more stupid than the other...

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4


Forced expulsion is a war crime. Israel ordered millions of Palestinians to move.
Nobody ripped anybody out their house and made them leave.
They humanely warned them that it would be in the best interests of their children if they removed themselves from the warzone.
NOT a war crime.

Israel has cut off water supply and electricity.
It is NOT a war crime to deny the enemy any kind of resource, not even oxygen.

There is no conclusion not even an investigation in relation to the attack at the Hospital.
France, the UK, the US and Canada have investigated and all found that it was a rocket from the terrorists that hit the hospital parking lot.
Those are the facts Chang.

Millions of people are doing exactly the same thing and they are protesting on the streets.
You keep putting this in every post thinking it helps your case.
It reminds me of a bumper sticker a friend of mine had which read..
“Eat sh*t, millions of flies can’t be wrong”
Do you now understand how your phrase is hurting, not helping, your case?

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

All of the above are war crimes.

You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

No they’re not all war crimes, you can bomb schools, hospitals and civilian dwellings if they’re are deemed a military necessity. I already told you that in one of your other 100 threads on the same topic. Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary. It is a war crime to use civilians as human shields which Hamas has and continues to do in spades. Here’s a novel idea…. Don’t put your military command post in hospital basements, build military tunnels around or underneath civilian dwellings or harbor militants in civilian dwellings, they will be taken out, legally.

The following are war crimes and have been committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers



You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

It is you who is trying to push misinformation in these threads and trying to excuse and justify a range of war crimes committed in the name of self defense and freedom.

You cannot bomb schools and hospitals or whatever the IDF considers a military target.
I see my threads have hit a lot of nerves as they expose the wrongdoings of war.

Same crap by you refuted over and over.

This thread “The Real Truth About The Gaza Hospital Attack”

Hamas lied about the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital

All the evidence points to a Hamas rocket misfiring and causing a fuel explosion in the parking lot.

What is your evidence it was something other than a misfire rocket. And you saying full investigation, while ignoring the British, French, Canadian, civilian monitoring groups, is not the same things as actually evoking the incident pictures and providing an evidence filled counter argument. It’s lazy pro Hamas propaganda.

Hamas rockets/ missiles that often only target Jewish civilians have a history of misfiring in the hundreds killing Gaza civilians. You don’t seem too concerned with the truth.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Leviathan4

To be fair God has always served the west as a war cry...

But yeah it's radical religions doing their thing one side more stupid than the other...

Yeah!

Imagine a leader of a western country appealing to the Bible and then arguing death and destruction for the enemy?!

That's what Netanyahou did.

It's a serious concern and all western countries should reconsider their relationships with this state. But again it's a range of extremists who are in power in Israel.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Lol after you told me how I dont know about the middle east you start comparing Apple and oranges, I guess that kitty driving was a reflection...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4


Forced expulsion is a war crime. Israel ordered millions of Palestinians to move.
Nobody ripped anybody out their house and made them leave.
They humanely warned them that it would be in the best interests of their children if they removed themselves from the warzone.
NOT a war crime.

Israel has cut off water supply and electricity.
It is NOT a war crime to deny the enemy any kind of resource, not even oxygen.

There is no conclusion not even an investigation in relation to the attack at the Hospital.
France, the UK, the US and Canada have investigated and all found that it was a rocket from the terrorists that hit the hospital parking lot.
Those are the facts Chang.

Millions of people are doing exactly the same thing and they are protesting on the streets.
You keep putting this in every post thinking it helps your case.
It reminds me of a bumper sticker a friend of mine had which read..
“Eat sh*t, millions of flies can’t be wrong”
Do you now understand how your phrase is hurting, not helping, your case?

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

All of the above are war crimes.

You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

No they’re not all war crimes, you can bomb schools, hospitals and civilian dwellings if they’re are deemed a military necessity. I already told you that in one of your other 100 threads on the same topic. Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary. It is a war crime to use civilians as human shields which Hamas has and continues to do in spades. Here’s a novel idea…. Don’t put your military command post in hospital basements, build military tunnels around or underneath civilian dwellings or harbor militants in civilian dwellings, they will be taken out, legally.

The following are war crimes and have been committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers



You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

It is you who is trying to push misinformation in these threads and trying to excuse and justify a range of war crimes committed in the name of self defense and freedom.

You cannot bomb schools and hospitals or whatever the IDF considers a military target.
I see my threads have hit a lot of nerves as they expose the wrongdoings of war.

Same crap by you refuted over and over.

This thread “The Real Truth About The Gaza Hospital Attack”

Hamas lied about the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital

All the evidence points to a Hamas rocket misfiring and causing a fuel explosion in the parking lot.

What is your evidence it was something other than a misfire rocket. And you saying full investigation, while ignoring the British, French, Canadian, civilian monitoring groups, is not the same things as actually evoking the incident pictures and providing an evidence filled counter argument. It’s lazy pro Hamas propaganda.

Hamas rockets/ missiles that often only target Jewish civilians have a history of misfiring in the hundreds killing Gaza civilians. You don’t seem too concerned with the truth.

There is no much evidence for what happened in the Hospital.

To claim that it was a failed rocket from Hamas or whoever else then you need proof that you don't have.

Yes a full investigation is needed to be able to conclusively say and prove who did it.

You have asserted it was a failed rocket and so you need proof. I haven't asserted anything or made any claims so don't ask me for evidence....

a reply to: Leviathan4

Dude, bush did exactly that in the wake of 911... Plenty of western leaders do it, not because they actually belive in it but their purposely kept dumb sheeps do, and it's easy to sway them with those backwards rhetoric...

originally posted by: Leviathan4


There is no much evidence for what happened in the Hospital.

You just look stupid at this point..

Again.






All evidence points to a misfired rocket fuel explosion in the parking lot.

Hamas lied about the hospital being hit by an air strike.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Yes a full investigation is needed to be able to conclusively say and prove who did it.

How at this point. Did Hamas let watch groups in to assist with incident clean up and preserve evidence?

And, again. You ignore that Hamas rockets misfire in the hundreds killing Gaza civilians. Rocket used mostly to target Jewish civilians.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Exactly how you going to get an independent investigation from Hamas with lies and contradicts like this?

Munition debris

On 22 October 2023, Hamas declined a request by The New York Times to view any remnants of the object that had struck the parking lot. A Hamas spokesman said that it had "dissolved like salt in the water" and that nothing was left. A munitions expert[a] interviewed by The New York Times contradicted Hamas's claim, indicating that recoverable debris should be present based on satellite imagery.[18] Hamas told The Washington Post that it possessed remnants of the munition and that "they will soon be shown to the world," directly contradicting what was said to The New York Times.[24]

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


There is no much evidence for what happened in the Hospital.

You just look stupid at this point..

Again.

All evidence points to a misfired rocket fuel explosion in the parking lot.

Hamas lied about the hospital being hit by an air strike.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Yes a full investigation is needed to be able to conclusively say and prove who did it.

How at this point. Did Hamas let watch groups in to assist with incident clean up and preserve evidence?

And, again. You ignore that Hamas rockets misfire in the hundreds killing Gaza civilians. Rocket used mostly to target Jewish civilians.

To claim that it was a failed rocket from Hamas or whoever else then you need proof that you don't have.

Yes a full investigation is needed to be able to conclusively say and prove who did it.

You have asserted it was a failed rocket and so you need proof. I haven't asserted anything or made any claims so don't ask me for evidence for something I haven't said.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

Exactly how you going to get an independent investigation from Hamas with lies and contradicts like this?

Munition debris

On 22 October 2023, Hamas declined a request by The New York Times to view any remnants of the object that had struck the parking lot. A Hamas spokesman said that it had "dissolved like salt in the water" and that nothing was left. A munitions expert[a] interviewed by The New York Times contradicted Hamas's claim, indicating that recoverable debris should be present based on satellite imagery.[18] Hamas told The Washington Post that it possessed remnants of the munition and that "they will soon be shown to the world," directly contradicting what was said to The New York Times.[24]

en.m.wikipedia.org...

.if you don't get experts on the ground to determine the nature of the missile/rocket, damage, etc, you can't get into any conclusions. How you do it, is something I can't answer you at this point.

originally posted by: Leviathan4


To claim that it was a failed rocket from Hamas or whoever else then you need proof that you don't have.

As in the photographic evidence and the physical evidence support the misfired rocket and fuel explosion. As in the physical evidence does not support an air strike. Where Hamas lied about the hospital being hit by an air strike. Where there is no radar evidence to support the parking lot hit by an Israeli air strike.

Let that sink in. No physical and no radar evidence to support a parking lot was hit by an Israeli air strike.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Yes a full investigation is needed to be able to conclusively say and prove who did it.

How. Hamas as prevented access to the site. That boat sailed long ago because Hamas wants to hide the truth.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
You have asserted it was a failed rocket and so you need proof. I haven't asserted anything or made any claims so don't ask me for evidence for something I haven't said.

The proof has been listed several times.

Key takeaways from French, British, French, and watch group investigations. Independent investigations. Investigations completed as best as possible with Hamas hiding evidence, or destroying evidence. While allowing no access to the site where evidence could be obtained.

There are actual pictures and video.

There is radar data.

There is captured radio chatter.

There is a long history of hundreds of Hamas rockets misfiring and killing Civilians in Gaza.

There is no reason Israel would conduct an air strike on a parking lot void of military targets.

There is no radar data of an air strike.

Hamas lied about an air strike hitting actual hospital buildings.

a reply to: Leviathan4



Any evidence that damage was something other than an explosion from rocket fuel?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4


Forced expulsion is a war crime. Israel ordered millions of Palestinians to move.
Nobody ripped anybody out their house and made them leave.
They humanely warned them that it would be in the best interests of their children if they removed themselves from the warzone.
NOT a war crime.

Israel has cut off water supply and electricity.
It is NOT a war crime to deny the enemy any kind of resource, not even oxygen.

There is no conclusion not even an investigation in relation to the attack at the Hospital.
France, the UK, the US and Canada have investigated and all found that it was a rocket from the terrorists that hit the hospital parking lot.
Those are the facts Chang.

Millions of people are doing exactly the same thing and they are protesting on the streets.
You keep putting this in every post thinking it helps your case.
It reminds me of a bumper sticker a friend of mine had which read..
“Eat sh*t, millions of flies can’t be wrong”
Do you now understand how your phrase is hurting, not helping, your case?

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

All of the above are war crimes.

You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

No they’re not all war crimes, you can bomb schools, hospitals and civilian dwellings if they’re are deemed a military necessity. I already told you that in one of your other 100 threads on the same topic. Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary. It is a war crime to use civilians as human shields which Hamas has and continues to do in spades. Here’s a novel idea…. Don’t put your military command post in hospital basements, build military tunnels around or underneath civilian dwellings or harbor militants in civilian dwellings, they will be taken out, legally.

The following are war crimes and have been committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers



You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

It is you who is trying to push misinformation in these threads and trying to excuse and justify a range of war crimes committed in the name of self defense and freedom.

You cannot bomb schools and hospitals or whatever the IDF considers a military target.
I see my threads have hit a lot of nerves as they expose the wrongdoings of war.

This is the umptenth time you’ve pasted the exact same “wrong” info claiming something you obviously know nothing about. No, your threads are not hitting anyone’s nerves besides your full on display of ignorance and outright lies nor is anyone agreeing with you like you seem to think. I know you want what you say to be true but it just isn’t. Anyways I’m done with you and your other sock puppet account lev, not wasting my time arguing with a rock spamming the boards.

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4


Forced expulsion is a war crime. Israel ordered millions of Palestinians to move.
Nobody ripped anybody out their house and made them leave.
They humanely warned them that it would be in the best interests of their children if they removed themselves from the warzone.
NOT a war crime.

Israel has cut off water supply and electricity.
It is NOT a war crime to deny the enemy any kind of resource, not even oxygen.

There is no conclusion not even an investigation in relation to the attack at the Hospital.
France, the UK, the US and Canada have investigated and all found that it was a rocket from the terrorists that hit the hospital parking lot.
Those are the facts Chang.

Millions of people are doing exactly the same thing and they are protesting on the streets.
You keep putting this in every post thinking it helps your case.
It reminds me of a bumper sticker a friend of mine had which read..
“Eat sh*t, millions of flies can’t be wrong”
Do you now understand how your phrase is hurting, not helping, your case?

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

All of the above are war crimes.

You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

No they’re not all war crimes, you can bomb schools, hospitals and civilian dwellings if they’re are deemed a military necessity. I already told you that in one of your other 100 threads on the same topic. Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary. It is a war crime to use civilians as human shields which Hamas has and continues to do in spades. Here’s a novel idea…. Don’t put your military command post in hospital basements, build military tunnels around or underneath civilian dwellings or harbor militants in civilian dwellings, they will be taken out, legally.

The following are war crimes and have been committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers



You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

It is you who is trying to push misinformation in these threads and trying to excuse and justify a range of war crimes committed in the name of self defense and freedom.

You cannot bomb schools and hospitals or whatever the IDF considers a military target.
I see my threads have hit a lot of nerves as they expose the wrongdoings of war.

This is the umptenth time you’ve pasted the exact same “wrong” info claiming something you obviously know nothing about. No, your threads are not hitting anyone’s nerves besides your full on display of ignorance and outright lies nor is anyone agreeing with you like you seem to think. I know you want what you say to be true but it just isn’t. Anyways I’m done with you and your other sock puppet account lev, not wasting my time arguing with a rock spamming the boards.

Its more aggravating in that nobody is posting Israel should be trust 100 percent.

Just pointing Leviathan4 is falling and repeating blatant Hamas lies.

a reply to: Lazy88

Any evidence that damage was something other than an explosion from rocket fuel?

How the roof of the cars have been pushed down is evidence that the explosion happened in the air above the cars, not on the ground. Such and explosion is call an air burst and is used to kill from the shockwave rather than inflict structural damage. Only Israel has such technology.

With the car that flipped over, that could of occurred as the fuel tank ruptured from the subsequent fire.

I am sure Israel is going to have a mountain of paperwork. With the information blackout going on it is going to take a while to hear the other side of this conflict. If there is anything left to hear. Some reports of other hospitals getting hit.

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: NeonKnights

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: VermiIion
a reply to: Leviathan4


Forced expulsion is a war crime. Israel ordered millions of Palestinians to move.
Nobody ripped anybody out their house and made them leave.
They humanely warned them that it would be in the best interests of their children if they removed themselves from the warzone.
NOT a war crime.

Israel has cut off water supply and electricity.
It is NOT a war crime to deny the enemy any kind of resource, not even oxygen.

There is no conclusion not even an investigation in relation to the attack at the Hospital.
France, the UK, the US and Canada have investigated and all found that it was a rocket from the terrorists that hit the hospital parking lot.
Those are the facts Chang.

Millions of people are doing exactly the same thing and they are protesting on the streets.
You keep putting this in every post thinking it helps your case.
It reminds me of a bumper sticker a friend of mine had which read..
“Eat sh*t, millions of flies can’t be wrong”
Do you now understand how your phrase is hurting, not helping, your case?

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

All of the above are war crimes.

You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

No they’re not all war crimes, you can bomb schools, hospitals and civilian dwellings if they’re are deemed a military necessity. I already told you that in one of your other 100 threads on the same topic. Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

The classification of a military act during conflict as a war crime depends on whether the act was justified. So the bombing of a school or residential building may not be considered a war crime if it was deemed militarily necessary. It is a war crime to use civilians as human shields which Hamas has and continues to do in spades. Here’s a novel idea…. Don’t put your military command post in hospital basements, build military tunnels around or underneath civilian dwellings or harbor militants in civilian dwellings, they will be taken out, legally.

The following are war crimes and have been committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers



You won't be able to see them as war crimes and regardless of the laws when you engage in the promotion of state propaganda

Do your homework before dishing out misinformation.

It is you who is trying to push misinformation in these threads and trying to excuse and justify a range of war crimes committed in the name of self defense and freedom.

You cannot bomb schools and hospitals or whatever the IDF considers a military target.
I see my threads have hit a lot of nerves as they expose the wrongdoings of war.

This is the umptenth time you’ve pasted the exact same “wrong” info claiming something you obviously know nothing about. No, your threads are not hitting anyone’s nerves besides your full on display of ignorance and outright lies nor is anyone agreeing with you like you seem to think. I know you want what you say to be true but it just isn’t. Anyways I’m done with you and your other sock puppet account lev, not wasting my time arguing with a rock spamming the boards.

The following are the war crimes committed by Israel

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

There is no much in relation to who has attacked the hospital.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

Any evidence that damage was something other than an explosion from rocket fuel?

Any proof that the damage was an explosion from a rocket that came from the Palestinian side?? That's an assertion. The onus is on you. You have asserted s speculation as a fact.

a reply to: Leviathan4

So, Israel guilty of war crimes. No further proof or investigation needed.

Hamas rocket on hospital? Independent investigation needed by independent experts who are on the ground and you won't discuss all the evidence that has been put to you.

Conclusion?

You are completely blinkered and biased and have double standards.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

So, Israel guilty of war crimes. No further proof or investigation needed.

Hamas rocket on hospital? Independent investigation needed by independent experts who are on the ground and you won't discuss all the evidence that has been put to you.

Conclusion?

You are completely blinkered and biased and have double standards.

There should be an investigation when that war finishes but they have already committee war crimes and it's not a secret or something they hide.

Forced expulsion is war crime. They have ordered millions of people to move south. This is a war crime.

Cutting off electricity and water and hence collectively punish an entire population. War crime

Hamas rocket on hospital? Independent investigation needed by independent experts who are on the ground and you won't discuss all the evidence that has been put to you.

The damage in the hospital is a fact. The source isn't though. There needs to be an independent investigation on who is responsible for the attack.


In the case or Israel or Hamas earlier on the 7th of October things are much more clear. They have both committed war crimes.

You know I am right.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

Any evidence that damage was something other than an explosion from rocket fuel?

Any proof that the damage was an explosion from a rocket that came from the Palestinian side?? That's an assertion. The onus is on you. You have asserted s speculation as a fact.

One. The lack of shrapnel damage. Nothing indicating a high energy explosive wrapped in a warhead to fragment.

Two. The crater in the ground is small. Like a fuel filled object hit and exploded in a fire ball.

Three. The way the closest cars to the crater were moved up and away.

Four. Where is the missile / bomb fragments if it was an Israeli weapon.

Five. Why wasn’t the damage area open to international groups to aid in clean up and evidence collection.

Six. Hamas lied about an air strike hitting an actual hospital building.

Seven. Why would an air strike be conducted on a parking lot? Of parked civilian cars? But I guess why does Hamas conduct random rocket attacks at Jewish civilians.

Eight. Radar data points to a misfired rocket.

Nine. No evidence of an actual air strike. As in no aircraft initiating the parking lot incident from radar data. No aircraft acoustics from all the acoustic “examinations” of the rocket audio. The audio is of an actual rocket.

Ten. Indisputable history of Hamas rockets misfiring in the hundreds killing civilians in Gaza.