All those killed by HAMAS on 7th WHERE does the truth LIE ?

Everything seems like a false flag, pre planned event. From 9/11 to covid to this.

Few things are naturally organic. The Unibomber. Dalmer. Can't think of many more.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
Everything seems like a false flag, pre planned event. From 9/11 to covid to this.

Few things are naturally organic. The Unibomber. Dalmer. Can't think of many more.

i believe the bomber was mk ultra

for what its worth...

Indeed
a reply to: Another_Nut

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain
I'm thinking you need to recheck your math most of those were military that were killed

Israel has a requirement for citizens to serve in the military. A lot of those young people who died at the concert probably had done military service already. Same with the civilians who died in the Kabutz etc. Having a list of the dead and seeing that they had military service doesn't make them soldiers. They are still civilians.

This thread reminds me of the 'Sandy Hook Didn't Happen' threads that were popping up years ago. yuk.

Did you read the whole thread did you research on your own the things presented in this thread if you did you would not have said what you've said your arguments are flawed I'm not trying to pick sides I'm merely presenting the facts that are being given to us

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain
I'm thinking you need to recheck your math most of those were military that were killed

Israel has a requirement for citizens to serve in the military. A lot of those young people who died at the concert probably had done military service already. Same with the civilians who died in the Kabutz etc. Having a list of the dead and seeing that they had military service doesn't make them soldiers. They are still civilians.

This thread reminds me of the 'Sandy Hook Didn't Happen' threads that were popping up years ago. yuk.

a reply to: FlyersFan
first i must say that my keyboard is ACTUALLY BROKEN AND THERE WI BE TYPOS...spelling errors..WALLS OF TEXT...etc etc..
live with it


BY JULIA FRANKEL
Updated 3:05 PM PDT, October 27, 2023
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JERUSALEM (AP) — The latest Israel-Hamas war has quickly become the deadliest and most destructive of the five wars fought between the sides since Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 from the Palestinian Authority.

The fighting erupted Oct. 7 when Hamas carried out a bloody attack in southern Israel. Since then, Israel has relentlessly pounded the Gaza Strip with airstrikes that have wrought unprecedented destruction, flattening entire neighborhoods.

Here’s a look in numbers at the toll of the Israel-Hamas war as of Oct. 27, sourced from the Gaza Health Ministry and Israeli officials as well as international observers and aid groups:

1,400
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Number of Israelis killed.
FAEDED SAYS...
NICE EVEN NUMBER THAT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE 8TH
700 NAMES HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED
THE REST ??...STIL WAITING FOR THOSE
The big surprise in looking at the published list of names was the fact that out of the 768 killed, almost 47 percent are soldiers, with the vast majority of them belonging to
7,326
Number of Palestinians killed

5,431
Number of Israeli’s injured

18,967
Number of Palestinians injured

250,000
Number of Israelis displaced

1.4 million
Number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza

229
Soldiers and civilians being held hostage in Gaza

4
Hostages released

84
Aid trucks let into Gaza

27,781
Residential units destroyed in Gaza

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Sources: Associated Press reports, Gaza Health Ministry, Israeli military, U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Palestinian Red Crescent

SO THERE YA GO FOLKS
THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS..

HERE IS THE ACTUAL NAMES OF THE SOLIERS KILLED

i looked up manyn of them and they were supposed kiled in active duty defending civiians...other than that there was not much or there was no more online footprint of said persons i investigated.

same with the concert

sl in actualality..supposed around 500police..militaryllsecurity and first responders were lilled...then add the 260 from the concert..though so far ony 193 names from concert are published

that tota is around 750-800
when investigating the falen soldiers i found that they were usualy killed from mortar and ACTIVE IN DUTY !!!

to BE CLEAR I8 AM NOT DENING THE FACT THAT FAMILIES WERE SLAIN IN EVIL BRUTAITY from hamas
i am saying that it seems like that "narrative" has been amplified and used for a reason to attack as they are.

Here is the list of the soldiers killed in the attack. It was based on the latest update from “Haaretz.”

Staff Sgt. (res.) Omer Balva, 22, commander in the 9203rd Battalion of the Alexandroni Brigade; Master Sergeant Maxim Razinkov, border police officer in the West Bank; Master Sgt. (res.) Ran Poslushni, 48, member of the community’s security squad; Master sergeant (res.) Itay Yehoshua, project manager and lead instructor, office of the Prime Minister of Israel; Master sergeant (res.) Arie Kraunik, 54, member of the community’s security squad; Senior Staff Sgt. Maj. Golima Samzeo, 49, community patrol; Sergeant Major (res.) Tal Eilon, 46, member of the community’s security squad; Advanced Staff Sgt. Maj. Yullia Wexer, 37; Assistant Commissioner Izhar Peled; Sergeant Major Yanin Sivan, 49, community officer for the Bedouin community at the Aroer station; Corporal Rotem Kutz, 18, squad commander in training base 7; Corporal Liel Vainshtein, 19, fire brigade; Sergeant first class (res.) Ido Keslasi, 23, maglan fighter; Sergeant major (res.) Boaz Abraham, 61, member of the community’s security squad.

Master sergeant (res.) Nadav Amikam, 39, member of the community’s security squad; Sergeant major (res.) Ofir Mordechai Yaron, 51, member of the community’s security squad; Sergeant Shalev Dagan, 20, 51st Battalion of the Golani Brigade fighter; Staff Sgt. Dor Mengadi, 24, officer in the Coordination of Enforcement Operations unit; Staff Sgt. Gadif Mologota, officer in the Coordination of Enforcement Operations unit; First Sergeant Boris Danilov, 34, officer in the Coordination of Enforcement Operations unit; Sergeant Daniel Rashed, 19, 13th Battalion of the Golani Brigade fighter; Lieutenant Amitay Zvi Granot, 24, 75th Battalion of the Armored Brigade; Major (res.) Ram Negbi, member of the community’s security squad; Sergeant Ofir Shoshani, 20, squad commander at the Mifrasit Base.

Lieutenant colonel Alim Abdallah, 40, 300th Brigade in the Bar-Am Formation; Master Sgt. (res.) Ran Poslushni, 48; First Sgt. (res.) Abraham Gabriel Korin, 56, member of the community’s security squad; Maj. (res.) Uri Shimon Russo, 44, member of the community’s security squad; Staff Sgt. (res.) Omer Nissim Bitan, 22, soldier in the 5th Brigade; Sgt. Eliasaf Ben Porat, 21, 282nd Artillery Regiment; Master Sgt. (res.) Shachar Aviani, 56, member of the community’s security squad; Cpl. Kamay Achiel, 18, Snapir sailor in the 914th Patrol Squadron; Sgt. Adi Landman, 19, Unit 414; Cpl. Osher Simcha Barzilai, 19, soldier in the Gaza Division; Master Sgt. (res.) Shachaf Bergstein, 33, member of the community’s security squad; First Sgt. Ibrahim Kharuba, 39, tracker in the Gaza Division; Cpl. Tomer Leibovitz, 19, soldier in the 7th Armored Brigade; Sgt. Yam Goldstein Almog, 20, commander in the Computer Service Directorate; Cpt. (res.) Yaakov Nadlin, 36, combat soldier in the Samaria Brigade.

Master Sergeant Sharon Leibovich, patrolman at the Ofakim station; Chief Inspector Dan Ganot, 41, commander in the coordination of enforcement operations unit; Superintendent Avi Amar, 55, commander in the Yoav Unit; Cpl. Ariel Erez, 19; Cpl. Matan Malka, 19, paratrooper; Captain Guy Admoni, 25, intelligence officer; Lt. Dor Sade, 22, Givati Brigade commander; Sgt. (Res.) Adi Odaya Baruch, 22, operational Sergeant; Sgt. Roee Haim Guri, 21, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Staff Sgt. Itay Abraham Ron, 20, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Sgt. Omri Peretz, 20, squad commander; Superintendent Martin Kuzmickas, 46, commander in the coordination of enforcement operations unit; Staff Sgt. Maj. Aaron Arthur Markovici; Sgt. Benjamin Blay, 20, staff driver; Sgt. Major Gil Avital, 56, Israel Defense Corps; Sgt. Ori Carmi, 20, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Cpl. Nachman Dekel, 20, soldier in the Nahal Brigade.


Captain Abraham Hananel Hanedy, 37, Israel Defense Corps; Master Sgt. Aviv Baram, 33, auxiliary squad member; Sgt. First Class Shlomo Rashatnikov, 20, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Sgt. First Class Anar Elyakim Shapira, 22, soldier in the Nahal Brigade; Col. Leon Bar, 53, West Bank quadrant officer; Sgt. First Class Daniel Bazgozov, 22, -soldier in the Nahal Brigade; Warrant Officer Avraham Flischer, 63, Auxiliary Squads’ member; Sgt. First Class Itamar Ben-Yehuda, 21, Golani Brigade medic; Michael Ben Moshe, 26, Israel Security Agency; Cpl. Ofir Yeruhin, 19, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Staff Sgt. Matanya Elester, 23, soldier in the Carmeli Brigade; Staff Sgt. Ofekr Arbiv, 21, Paratroopers Brigade; Sgt. First Class Daniel Kastiel, 24, Maglan Commando Unit.

Captain (Res.) Amir Naim, 27, Golani engineering officer; Lt. Omer Wolf, 22, soldier in the Golani Brigade. Sgt. First Class Yishay Slotky, 24, soldier in the Oded Brigade; Cpl. Matan Avergil, 19, soldier in the Golani Brigade; Major Ido Hobera, 36, Auxiliary Squad member; Private Idan Baruch, 20,

The big surprise in looking at the published list of names was the fact that out of the 768 killed, almost 47 percent are soldiers, with the vast majority of them belonging to the so-called Elite Forces such as the Golani Brigade, Nahal Brigade, Unit 414, Maglan Brigade and Paratroopers. The great majority of civilians were between the ages of 18 and 70, which make them by definition a part of the reserve forces. Only the names of a total of 14 children (under 18 years) and seven elders (70 or over) are listed reply to: FaeDedAgain

You know, only 1 or 2 bad apples came over into Israel and killed a couple of people...BUT those JEWS!!!!!!!!!! They have killed 4000 babies!! Hell, they blew up a hospital with 1000s in it. Every attack is only to kill people and they are going to kill everything alive in Gaza.

I think the Jews have already started to build the gas chambers, and all Hamas wants to do is live in peace

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain

1,400

Number of Palestinians killed

5,431
Number of Israeli’s injured

18,967
Number of Palestinians injured

250,000
Number of Israelis displaced

1.4 million
Number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza

So what is your point?

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain
The big surprise in looking at the published list of names was the fact that out of the 768 killed, almost 47 percent are soldiers, with the vast majority of them belonging to the so-called Elite Forces such as the Golani Brigade, Nahal Brigade, Unit 414, Maglan Brigade and Paratroopers. The great majority of civilians were between the ages of 18 and 70, which make them by definition a part of the reserve forces. Only the names of a total of 14 children (under 18 years) and seven elders (70 or over) are listed reply to: FaeDedAgain

The bottom line is they killed everyone they could within the parameters of their invasion. If there was a town there with 50,000 we would see 50,000 dead, if they could kill 500k they would.

I will have to disagree with your bottom line if you think about it it was a really poor choice of them to do that in fact I can't imagine anybody making such a stupid choice no matter how stupid they are or even backwards or not even human it's just was a very foolish thing there is no logic in it ... Not even from a terrorist point of view because that would be their last tear and then they're going to get wiped out so that again is foolish I don't see that happening as a whole sure there was some bad apples in there for sureI do believe that those that committed the atrocities do not represent the group as a whole and that has been stated I believe that those are committing atrocities are a minority and yes they would do exactly as you say they could but they couldn't .. and those that killed like that had to know that by doing so would be the end of Hamas completely and totally as well as the Palestine people and everyone on that side of the fence and that would be the end of their cause..they knew that I think Israel knows that I think everybody knew that so again there's no logic in it not from their side I don't care how crazy they are .I'm not denying that they did it.


watch the videos and you'll see that those committing the atrocities are being held back or told to stop by their own brethren it's amazing how people don't read between the lies they just accept it as the truth and just go on with their life even though their life already has gone on without them.... and sorry that was not a personal attack on you that last sentence I'm just saying in general people the majority at least that's what I see My perception.

To me it appears as if their cause and their people have been XPLOIT3d by their enemy

a reply to: Xtrozero

In this whole thread I have not stated anything remotely close to what you just stated I haven't taken that side or stance at all whatsoever I haven't really taken any actually and as far as points go I pointed out a lot of things starting from the very beginning of this thread I even said all the points . I don't just have one point I'm pointing many things out..

I also commend anyone who is a part of this thread for even speaking about anything no matter what because it seems like this thread is too hot for people to touch they don't want to be called an anti-semi..

I don't care and I never have never will what anyone thinks about me as long as I know that I'm speaking my truth that's all that matters to me take it or leave it it matters not to me as long as I state my truth.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
You know, only 1 or 2 bad apples came over into Israel and killed a couple of people...BUT those JEWS!!!!!!!!!! They have killed 4000 babies!! Hell, they blew up a hospital with 1000s in it. Every attack is only to kill people and they are going to kill everything alive in Gaza.

I think the Jews have already started to build the gas chambers, and all Hamas wants to do is live in peace

Well I would like to POINT out that of everything I have stated and .. all of the information facts and proof that I have given no one yet has been able to refute or disprove anything I've said .. that right there alone deserves that this topic needs to be looked at with more
non bias type analytical minds...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain

1,400

Number of Palestinians killed

5,431
Number of Israeli’s injured

18,967
Number of Palestinians injured

250,000
Number of Israelis displaced

1.4 million
Number of Palestinians displaced in Gaza

So what is your point?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Israel has a requirement for citizens to serve in the military.

Almost all....

You don't hear much about the 32 Americans killed by Palestinian Terrorists inside Israel, on October 7th/8th.

abcnews.go.com...

THANKYOU FOR THAT a reply to: WeMustCare




crazy they say 29 dead but have just 4 pubished?


intersting.

.At least 29 Americans have been killed in Israel as the Israel-Hamas conflict continues, a State Department spokesperson said Saturday.

"As we continue to account for the horrors of the appalling terrorist assault against Israel this weekend and the hundreds of innocent civilians who were murdered, we are seeing the immense scale and reach of this tragedy," President Joe Biden said in a statement on Monday.

The statement continued, "It's heart-wrenching. These families have been torn apart by inexcusable hatred and violence...My heart goes out to every family impacted by the horrible events of the past few days."

It's currently unclear how many Americans are among those missing or might have been taken hostage, but Biden said in a statement on Monday that it's "likely" American citizens are being held hostage by Hamas.

MORE: What is Hamas? The militant group behind surprise attack on Israel has ruled Gaza for years
Here's what we know about the U.S. victims so far:

we dont know jacksh1t !!

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain
In this whole thread I have not stated anything remotely close to what you just stated

I didn't direct the post to you so why do you feel it is directed at you personally?

originally posted by: FaeDedAgain
Well I would like to POINT out that of everything I have stated and .. all of the information facts and proof that I have given no one yet has been able to refute or disprove anything I've said .. that right there alone deserves that this topic needs to be looked at with more non bias type analytical minds...

My friend your big error is you keep trying to apply our Western views, morality, and what we see as human worth to the Middle East and they are very different. You keep trying to paint a picture but with the wrong colors...

The Middle East, including Israel, has a much different view than the West on just about everything. The only difference is Israel is more in line with our Western values, but they are still in the ME. I could go into depth about how the ME sees reality, and I have in the past, but a big one is they do not value life past whatever group they are a part of, and in many cases even that is iffy.

With that said the Muslim or Jew at the local/family level can be very nice. I actually enjoy both cultures a good deal, but make no mistake as we move up the ideology of groupthink within a larger group it can get very dark very quickly. Saudi has killed most likely 500k civilians in Yemen and they do it like it's a sport. The Sunni and Shea will brutally kill each other quicker than you can blink. For example, About 90%+ of the deaths in the Iraq war were them killing each other nightly.

Then we have Iran that terrorizes their own people so how do you think they feel about outsiders like the Jews without even getting the whole religious part into it all?

Then we have groups that take all this extremism to a new level like al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, and about 1000 more of different sizes. This is where all idea of civilization leaves the building and we are talking like medieval-level horrendous actions on a scale I don't think most even know, or really want to know.

This is why when you post numbers I ask, so what is your point... It's the Middle East...

You must agree with the point that people seem to be more focused on Israel's numbers of killed and they take the Hamas count as fact even when it is shown time and time again there is more propaganda mixed in than anything else, all the while ignoring the horrendous acts of Hamas. It's like pages on how bad Israel is with massive hyperbole mixed in and then they have like one line of "what Hamas did is bad too" and that is it in their defense they are non-biased in all this.

I have already said that if Hamas could have killed 50k they would have, but they ran out of people to kill. We also need to think that 100% of their attacks are against civilians. I also see terms like Israel is carpet bombing Gaza and that is far from the truth. If they were there would be 500k dead already if that was their goal.

So one needs to at least recognize that Israel is focused on military targets that Hamas has mixed in with the civilian population, and is not just killing civilians as Hamas does. Gaza is nothing compared to the Battle of Fallujah, the Yemen war, what Russia is doing, or what a dozen other countries do. We need to put it all into perspective and stop applying Western values to it.

seems lagit.

www.globalresearch.ca...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Where's the 40 babies who were beheaded that Biden saw the video of? What's the back story of how Hamas kidnapped 40 babies? Did they kidnap them all at once? Or one at a time?