All those killed by HAMAS on 7th WHERE does the truth LIE ?

I was curious if the names were out and exactly how many and who they are is there information about them is it hidden etc etc so I found a list most of them is military and the ones that are not are all from the rave interestingly enough many of those of those that are at the rave very limited information about them on Google please search very limited here's the stats just think it's interesting is all I'm anti everything so don't even start.

769 names, of which 462 military
55 soldiers
13 privates
59 corporals
200 sergeants (45 majors)
48 commanders
32 lieutenants
5 lieutenant colonels 6 colonels
13 captains
37 officers
10 inspectors
6 intendents
2 Lance Corp.
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Oh yeah here's the source how could I forget

www.haaretz.com... 0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

I also find it really weird how it's all the same videos online I've tried to find the most graphic of the graphic it's always the same ones same videos same stuff same everything and it's not even that much for the amount of supposedly 1,500 people that were killed apparently what I think happened is this

They broke do the fence and there was a small amount of bad apples that went on a killing rampage not hundreds of civilians were not killed but there was an amount of them at work and you can notice if you've watched the videos of the graphic ones there's a couple of them where you can see that there is a Hamas that has either killed or is killing and his brethren is trying to calm them down and stop them from going crazy just interesting is all

And what's with all the white cars most of them all the same type of car at the supposed rave party that got burned in fact the picture that they show from the aerial view and looks super super photoshopped That's my opinion

Oh yeah one more thing also at the race party when they're all running everybody sure is running slow I don't know about you but I would be high tailing it and they're just jogging I mean I don't know I would you wouldn't see me on film might be so fast I'll be jumping over carsa reply to: FaeDedAgain

Truth never lies

People DO

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What freaking tabulation of that list is that?

Wont link, Copy/paste full text, take out space.

https:// www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b -325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000/

That's the source I followed. Where'd you get all the extra soldiers from? Were they on duty? IDF is compulsory.

They have 902 names listed currently.

554 - civilians
59 - police officers
273 - soldiers
14 - other first responders

More in each category will be added. I think anything else digs for an unnecessary conspiracy.

How about taking the matter in your own hands and just use Google search for Israelis killed there will explain everythinga reply to: Degradation33

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But I just looked at their pictures, or a candle in place of their pictures.

I used the filter function and went through the civilians. They are really sad.





Are you saying they're lying about civilians? There are children on there too. Are they fake obituaries? What is the lie exactly? The number killed? Is this an attempt to reboot the holohoax?

I'm saying that most of the civilians killed if not all of them or 99% of them were from the concert and that's not the only thing I'm saying and there's a lot to be said if you just read between the lines I know you can do thata reply to: Degradation33

You say children are on there well how about any babies any babies on there I'm thinking the answer is no let me double checka reply to: Degradation33

no babies..but i did find this
According to a list published in the Israeli newspapers, a total of 14 children and seven elders among the 768 Israeli dead from the October 7 attack. The list of names, ages and profession of those who were killed are published here as well.

Since the Hamas onslaught on the Southern area of Israel on October 7, Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, along with the U.S. administration has insisted on advancing a deceitful narrative of the event. They claim that this attack targeted women, children and elders who cannot defend themselves in civilian towns and kubutzes near the Gaza strip. This narrative was so overwhelming that President Biden personally, in an address to the nation, had to lie. A lie that was not a temperamental off-the-cuff statement, but one that he read from a teleprompter. He said that he saw babies and women being slaughtered, describing this as the most horrifying scenes he has seen in his life.

Israeli, American and European governments and media outlets kept repeating this narrative around the clock as the Israeli military was mobilizing the largest forces since the Yom Kippur war in 1973 and Israeli war planes were attacking Gaza indiscriminately, destroying mosques, churches, hospitals and schools. All this, as the world watched and its leaders made pilgrimages to Tel Aviv to show support. What was missing from the scene were the civilian victims. Israel has been a master in the media field for decades. It knows how to mold and win public opinion and how to turn the human stories of Jewish victims into front page headlines and leading segments in the news. But this time there were no innocent faces in despair, no broken family lives and no evidence to support the narrative at all.

What happened to the most effective propaganda machine in the world? Did the Israeli media lose its touch, or was it hit by a sudden paralysis? To answer this question, one must take a closer look at the source: The Israeli media. There were no stories about the young or elder victims. Very little coverage was given to the victims, whom Israel said are more than 1,300 people. It was difficult to find a list of names, which is unusual and kind of strange. But a quick glimpse at the names, once located, is enough to understand the rage and howling in Tel Aviv. The scene is entirely up-side-down — the reverse of what was initially reported. The available lists in the newspapers tell a completely different story. The most comprehensive count was published in the Israeli daily, “Haaratez”, with 768 names, because the remainder of the names cannot be announced before informing the families of the dead, a common standard procedure in most militaries.

The big surprise in looking at the published list of names was the fact that out of the 768 killed, almost 47 percent are soldiers, with the vast majority of them belonging to the so-called Elite Forces such as the Golani Brigade, Nahal Brigade, Unit 414, Maglan Brigade and Paratroopers. The great majority of civilians were between the ages of 18 and 70, which make them by definition a part of the reserve forces. Only the names of a total of 14 children (under 18 years) and seven elders (70 or over) are listed. Of course, these facts paint a picture that must drive the Israeli leadership mad and make them quite frightened. How can the Netanyahu government face its people or the world with this scandalous failure after taking such pride in being the best guarantor of the Jewish people’s safety and security? It is a colossal failure of apocalyptic proportions, and all the media tricks and the international support won’t be enough to hide the truth regardless of how the false narrative is advanced.a reply to: Degradation33

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Oh okay, got. They're overplaying their dead as a reason to justify their militaries actions.

So if almost all the civilian casualties were at the rave then they killed over 500 party goers. (If you go by the ones listed on that website) That would mean they are underselling the number of dead at the rave by half. I think the official tally was around 250.

That seems a contradiction. Are you sure your just not twisting numbers to call Israel liars? Usually that sentiment is accompanied by a wall of text of justification.

Anyway, That's just what's listed there. Not all the dead are listed.

It's kind of insulting what your insinuating.

Do you go do gore sites perchance? They are absolutely disturbing and vile, but hamas atrocity videos made their rounds. Truly disturbing stuff. Captured live streams of village slaughter and all.

I thought I had seen random civilian carnage. The Kibbutz rampages are the most disturbing. Even the uncensored website was removing some of them...



I'm not going to say the name of the site because it's half porn (which is creepy enough that the two are intertwined), but I swear to the authenticity of several streamed Hamas rampages through Israel that killed young children, including infants. Sickest gopros ever. They killed them hiding under their covers..

I really don't need to read what people say about news when I can go see the uncensored version, and save any further anti-israel rants, because you're not convincing me of anything.

I'm thinking you need to recheck your math most of those were military that were killed

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: FaeDedAgain

Oh okay, got. They're overplaying their dead as a reason to justify their militaries actions.

So if almost all the civilian casualties were at the rave then they killed over 500 party goers. (If you go by the ones listed on that website) That would mean they are underselling the number of dead at the rave by half. I think the official tally was around 250.

That seems a contradiction. Are you sure your just not twisting numbers to call Israel liars? Usually that sentiment is accompanied by a wall of text of justification.

Anyway, That's just what's listed there. Not all the dead are listed.

It's kind of insulting what your insinuating.

Do you go do gore sites perchance? They are absolutely disturbing and vile, but hamas atrocity videos made their rounds. Truly disturbing stuff. Captured live streams of village slaughter and all.

I thought I had seen random civilian carnage. The Kibbutz rampages are the most disturbing. Even the uncensored website was removing some of them...

I'm not going to say the name of the site because it's half porn (which is creepy enough that the two are intertwined), but I swear to the authenticity of several streamed Hamas rampages through Israel that killed young children, including infants. Sickest gopros ever. They killed them hiding under their covers..

I really don't need to read what people say about news when I can go see the uncensored version, and save any further anti-israel rants, because you're not convincing me of anything.

I know it's that you're talking about and you don't even need to go to those you can just go to telegram and even then it's all redundant and regurgitation of the same I've seen what you've seen You've seen what I've seen and it's all the same thing we're all seeing over and over again and is not a whole lot of it for there being 1,300 people supposedly and makes me wonder why so many of their military were were killed like 600 of them were killed in the first day from the bombs or something I don't know street fighting or something I don't know I don't get it none of the math adds up just look for yourself it doesn't take a genius to figure it out it does not add up straight the f upa reply to: Degradation33

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Everybody in Israel is military, or supposed to be. It's like 58% of women amd 75% of men are active, reserve, or ex.

The numbers I read at that website was:

554 - civilians
59 - police officers
273 - soldiers
14 - other first responders

Same website you posted. Why post it and then go by different numbers unless intended to falsely paint Israel as worse?

I was waiting for your anti-Israel remark to come and finally you did it Good for you I'm not anti-Israel I'm anti everybody and everything cuz it's all BS I boy you sure are defensive about it all That's for sure not even seeing what's right in front of you I'm just wondering why I'm not accusing anybody of anything I'm just pouring out some very interesting inconsistencies is all but you seem to be taking major effect major major attitude with it that tells me one thing and one thing only and I even got to say what that one thing is cuz everybody knows it
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Yeah no kidding they're also reservous but if you'll notice on that site it separates the military from the civilians so you're argument is null.. you don't even get points for the effort cuz the effort sucked
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Buddy none of the numbers are correct hopefully they're in the general ballpark and even still it's not hard to get the general idea of what's going on I mean come ona reply to: Degradation33

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Do you need a few more comments to get that out? Don't waste your time.

I'm not even gonna dispute what you say because repeating something even to refute it... you know that mantra. It is a nice cop out to not have to interact with you or your heated posting on this topic anymore, brah.

I also play a character exactly like that. Walls of text for someone that doesn't care to change their mind usually. Multiple comments, the whole deal. I just bring that up because I can never tell if people are trolling when it happens to me. Especially with all the people falsely trolling with positions one way or the other.

On the page with all the people that died the numbers are this according to them and the internet 260 some people died at the concert well on that page it only list $193 died at that concert The rest of them it does not say The word killed and if you search those names that don't have the word killed in it you'll see that they are merely just missing in fact maybe they're even in the hostages or we're just missing in general there's nothing said about them being killed they're not dead.... the

originally posted by: Degradation33
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Do you need a few more comments to get that out? Don't waste your time.

I'm not even gonna dispute what you say because repeating something even to refute it... you know that mantra. It is a nice cop out to not have to interact with you or your heated posting on this topic anymore, brah.

I also play a character exactly like that. Walls of text for someone that doesn't care to change their mind. Multiple comments, the whole deal. I just bring that up because I can never tell if people are trolling when it happens to me. Especially with all the people falsely trolling with positions one way or the other.

you don't have to be such a sore loser it's okay you can't win all the time

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you don't have to be such a sore loser it's okay you can't win all the time

Yes, I must accept this bitter defeat. I gift you winning of this online argument, oh mighty master of rhetoric.

Joking aside, the Israel support is there on my end. Now all those that agree with you can overshadow my comments. I said what I wanted, and unlike Israel, I'm not going to win every time.

Then let me say one last thing about the numbers The site that we're talking about which is the same side or same numbers as everyone else spout in the story if you add up all the numbers which is 500 in 54 civilians 59 police officers 273 soldiers and 14 other first responders that's a far cry from 1300 for starters now on that site if you filter which the site allows you to filter first choose civilians and then in your browser do a keyword search for the word killed and you'll see that 200 just over 200 I forget what the number is but just over 200 $234 I believe come up as being killed out of all of the civilians out of the 500 and something civilians and the rest of the civilians listed there are listed if you do a Google search you will see they are merely missing and not killed they are missing That's just for the civilians so yes the numbers are highly overinflated I'm not trying to take sides any side I'm not taking sides of I'm just merely stating the faxes they are presented with an analytical mind and I wish you'd do the same as everyone should be doing right now because there is a lot of deceivement out there out to get us you have to keep on your toes be smart

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: FaeDedAgain

you don't have to be such a sore loser it's okay you can't win all the time

Yes, I must accept this bitter defeat. I gift you winning of this online argument, oh mighty master of rhetoric.

Joking aside, the Israel support is there on my end. Now all those that agree with you can overshadow my comments. I said what I wanted, and unlike Israel, I'm not going to win every time.