Heart Disease Risk Skyrockets In Trans People Taking Hormones Study Finds

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion
As expected, a one-off study amplified by right-wing media’s anti-trans agenda and another ATS opportunity for folks to express their triggered outrage and disgust with anything having to do with trans issues. Yay!

The actual study is behind a paywall but there a few things we can gather from the abstract.

The hazard ratio (HR) for any CVD (cardiovascular diagnosis) was significantly higher in transgenders vs controls of same and other birth sex, with highest adjusted HR in transgenders AFAB vs control men:.... Gender-affirming hormone treatment (GAHT) explained part of elevated risk of CVD in transgenders AFAB, whereas GAHT did not contribute to the elevated risk of CVD in transgenders AMAB.

Definitions:
AFAB – born female
AMAB – born male

Well duh! Males generally have higher rates of cardiovascular issues so natal females taking testosterone should expect the same possibility.

Without having access to the actual paper there are simply too many unknowns about the criteria and methodology used to determine the accuracy and validity of this paper and with the trans community, socioeconomic factors affecting lifestyle can never be discounted.

And for the record, the aim of physicians and endocrinologists providing cross-sex hormone therapy for transition is to match the hormone levels of the transitioner’s target sex with most requiring blood work every 6 to 12 months to insure levels aren’t in excess of natal levels.

Out of curiosity how many here are on blood thinners, statins or blood pressure medication and did you take HRT to transition? Heart disease and related cardiovascular issues are the worldwide number one cause of death.

This is ATS, what else is expected?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Well, anytime you mess with the natural order of the body you are going to get some side effects. And all drugs have side effects. Trans people taking hormones have a massively higher risk of heart disease. Something for people to think about before taking the medications.

Hello, trans person here who has been on hormones for more than a decade; thanks for the concern!
Only.... wait, you weren't expressing concern, were you? This is just another gotcha, supposed to show how hideous and unnatural trans people are.

Well anyway, i'm going to pretend for a little while like it was genuine concern just because maybe some people might learn a thing about a group of people they don't really know anything about.

So, firstly, any drug you take, especially long term, has a balance of risk and reward. You know this, right? There are potential side effects for absolutely anything and not all bodies react in the same way to everything. So if you have, for example, epilepsy, you might decide that taking medication that will reduce your chance of deadly seizures and allowing you control of your life again is worth the potential hair loss and periods of agitation. If you have certain forms of depression, you may decide that taking medication is worth the loss of libido and potential weight gain.
Doctors don't just throw drugs at you, there is an extended, in depth dialogue over MONTHS before a decision is reached.

Secondly, the form of estrogen that most people are on - estradiol - is most commonly available and prescribed to post-menopausal cis women. On the instruction booklet it warns those very cis women that there is a heightened chance of cardiac issues. This isn't even really borne out in the statistics, it's the drug companies covering themselves just in case.

IN ANY CASE, these menopausal cis women have the same risks and the same sort of conversations with their doctors [or they should at any rate!] and we're not here expressing Very Sincere Concern for those unnatural 55 year old women with hot flushes.

i wonder why.

a reply to: continuousThunder

The source the OP cites is low on facts and has a far right bias.

mediabiasfactcheck.com...

I really dont get the "far right" obsession with trans issues...

Its too late or early..but im guessing this study is cherry picking the dangers of premarin and ethinyl estrogen which is fairly well known and becoming increasingly less used by folks undergoing feminizing HRT.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
Hello, trans person here who has been on hormones for more than a decade; thanks for the concern! Only.... wait, you weren't expressing concern, were you? This is just another gotcha, supposed to show how hideous and unnatural trans people are.

Shame on you for saying that. No where did I bash trans people. And you shouldn't assume to know my motivations. You clearly do not.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I was wondering since the sperm count is down globally are they in charge all lettng them come out to basically rid the world of the closet people in order to purify the hetero - straight human race. Thats a Bilderberg level conspiracy!

They open the borders to throw in some international genes to reinvigorate whats left?

Yes, I read that most Shemales only live into their 50's as a result of the prescription drugs they need to take forever.

Many end up looking like a train wreck aka woof woof Rachel Levine. Many end up looking like smoking hotties that no one could tell wassup.

Including Mick Crocodile Dundee

Sheila

a reply to: FlyersFan

Yet the poster above me is doing exactly that using slurs that effectively the equivalent of the N-word in his lost.

The life expectancy for trans people is lower largely due to lack of effective health care and employment options that lead to sex work, drug use, and quacks that perform dangerous cosmetic procedures out of their house or hotel(look up pumping within the trans community) at a much higher rate than the general population, add the higher rate of homicide(often from hate crimes) then you get lower life expectancy of the entire community.

originally posted by: jrod
Its too late or early..but im guessing this study is cherry picking the dangers of premarin and ethinyl estrogen which is fairly well known and becoming increasingly less used by folks undergoing feminizing HRT.

Well, at least somebody gets it and demonstrates some actual knowledge of what they’re talking about but don’t forget medroxyprogesterone acetate (Provera) has also fallen from favor replaced by bio-identical alternates when progesterones are even prescribed.

The life expectancy for trans people is lower largely due to lack of effective health care and employment options that lead to sex work, drug use, and quacks that perform dangerous cosmetic procedures out of their house or hotel(look up pumping within the trans community) at a much higher rate than the general population, add the higher rate of homicide(often from hate crimes) then you get lower life expectancy of the entire community.

This ^

As mentioned in my previous post, socioeconomic and lifestyle factors cannot be ruled out or ignored when researching trans life expectancy or health outcomes.

Thank you for your knowledgeable contributions to this discussion.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: continuousThunder
Hello, trans person here who has been on hormones for more than a decade; thanks for the concern! Only.... wait, you weren't expressing concern, were you? This is just another gotcha, supposed to show how hideous and unnatural trans people are.

Shame on you for saying that. No where did I bash trans people. And you shouldn't assume to know my motivations. You clearly do not.

sure you aren't, buddy. Your constant starting of and participating in threads about how trans women are men stealing women's roles and the lgbt are grooming our children and how the whole thing is dangerous and should be put to an end comes off as extremely neutral. The rhetoric you employ isn't materially harmful in any way. you just have some concerns. And the way you never call out anyone who says anything horrific about trans people but in fact often back them up and agree with them - but your OP doesn't say the words "put trans people to death" - why, that's the very definition of even handed.

Shame on ME? Come on, at least let's be honest with ourselves here.

a reply to: Waterglass

i think this might actually be my favourite post on this website ever. Dude spins out a barely coherent antisemitic, Alex Jones-style "globalist" bit of fearmongering, cut with some choice slurs, calling women dogs, and speculation about the trans death rate, and he STILL can't keep his little guy from standing to attention. Classic.

a reply to: continuousThunder

Is not trans bashing just posting the facts about what is going on with the overused of hormones and chemical drugs, specially on young people.

a reply to: continuousThunder

Barely coherent? Think about it as a means of extermination at the highest levels aka Ze Mster Race?

I stand by this and I have NO issues with Transgenders but ugly is ugly

Many end up looking like a train wreck aka woof woof Rachel Levine. Many end up looking like smoking hotties that no one could tell wassup.

Including Mick Crocodile Dundee

a reply to: FlyersFan

They should have stayed the way God made them and not become hybrids.