Israel & The Myth of 'Self Defence'

a reply to: gortex

What confuses me is that we were told that Hamas took the hostages into Gaza to hide among the people and then Israel starts bombing that area with thousands plus bombs. It boggles the mind.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
Joe Biden corruption investigation coverage has practically evaporated ...

... and I'm sure his reelection team is sighing in relief!

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a reply to: gortex

I don't buy this at all. Somebody orchestrated all this and the leaders on both siudes worked together in this charade. Israel wanted Gaza but needed an excuse. I'm sure the CIA and WEF was involved in this.
Can't blame the Israelis too much, I guess. Look what we're letting happen to this country. Canada's a nazi craphole, Australia and New Zealand has gone fascist with them, Europe is sliding downhill just as fast as us.
Man, things just keep getting more and more insane and people seem dumber and dumber not to question any of it.

a reply to: Dutchowl

Somebody orchestrated all this and the leaders on both siudes worked together in this charade. Israel wanted Gaza but needed an excuse. I'm sure the CIA and WEF was involved in this.

Not the WEF or CIA but it's Netanyahu who has his fingerprints all over this , it was he who allowed funding for Hamas from Qatar to be transferred into Gaza over a period of many years as a way to separate them from the Palestinian Authority.

The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Party leaders across the political spectrum have criticized Netanyahu’s policies towards Gaza in general and the payments specifically.
The Blue and White Party’s platform calls to stop allowing the transfer of funds to Hamas, calling it mafia-style “protection” payments.
Yisrael Beytenu leader Avigdor Liberman, who resigned as head of the Defense Ministry over Gaza policies, said on Saturday that the payments are a “miserable decision,” marking “the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself.”
www.jpost.com...

a reply to: EternalShadow

Does it make the attack less detrimental? That's subjective first of all, but I'll say no because you don't want to hear yes. So no, but contrived? You better believe it.

Okay lets role the clock back to before the attack .

Let's assume Mossad knew the attack was coming . What does Israel do with that information ?

They could warn the people in the Area of Gaza and Israel that is being targeted Okay great do they evacuate the people ? How do they convince the 100's of thousands of people the attack is going to be so bad they need to evacuate immediately ? In truth they couldn't convince them because these people are under constant threat of attack . Okay so evacuating the people is out and even if they did some how convince the people to move then Hamas would just move the attack to another populated area.

Okay continuing on the Theory Israel was aware of the coming attack .

Let's say Mossad and the IDF decide to act on the intelligence about the attack and launch a preemptive attack on Hamas and all of the Rocket locations .

Great they have stopped a massive attack and saved thousands of both Israeli and Palestinian lives so it's a win win right ? Wrong if Israel attacked unprovoked you and every other sympathizer on the Internet would be running around with their hair on fire screaming for Jihad . Now Hamas would have an even greater reason to call for War and all the Recruits they would ever need .

What happened happened the way it happened because Hamas made a decision and perhaps Israel knew and perhaps Israel was hoping Hamas would not carry out the attack but either what their hands were tied.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Very good point and a great post.

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originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: gortex

The Israeli response should have just been FAFO.

Could we apply that same logic towards the treatment of Palestinians?

I mean Israel has been doing similar things to Palestinians for years.
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This didn't just start last week. Much like the Ukraine conflict didn't just start in 2021.

I could flood the thread with similar articles dating back to the 90's showing how Israel has been committing an apartheid against the people of Palestine. How Israel and America created and funded HAMAS in an attempt to divide the largely peaceful Palestinian population.

The terrorists who carried out the attack last week need to face justice. This is by no means giving a pass to the atrocities committed. But it would intellectually dishonest not to acknowledge the atrocities on both sides.

A failure to acknowledge how we got here, and depriving women and children of basic human rights in Gaza will just throw more gas on an already raging fire.

I yield to Dr. Mate on this subject.

Do Palestinians have a reason to hate Israel ? YES Would the Palestinians receive any better treatment from any other Arab country ? NO

The Palestinians feel the Jews took their land so the Palestinians remain in Gaza . Pride cometh before the fall . Let it go the Jews won so seek life else where , Remaining in that place is doing nothing but bringing harm on your people .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

What happened happened the way it happened because Hamas made a decision and perhaps Israel knew and perhaps Israel was hoping Hamas would not carry out the attack but either what their hands were tied.

I think it likely Netanyahu was hoping Hamas would attack as it would give him an excuse to do what he wanted to do to save his unpopular party but he was caught out by the scale of the attack , he made the classic mistake and underestimated his enemy.

Let it go the Jews won so seek life else where , Remaining in that place is doing nothing but bringing harm on your people .

It's their land and it also hosts the 3rd holiest site in Islam , the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: EternalShadow




Let's assume Mossad knew the attack was coming . What does Israel do with that information ?

Wonder how many threats Israel gets from month to month to boot. It’s got to be a pain determining threats that are empty vs credible.

It’s not the first time Israel has been under missile attack. Not sure how you stop that unless you do what Israel is doing now? You think there be more pressure on Hamas to spend money on civilians not missiles.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Dutchowl


Not the WEF or CIA but it's Netanyahu who has his fingerprints all over this , it was he who allowed funding for Hamas from Qatar to be transferred into Gaza over a period of many years as a way to separate them from the Palestinian Authority.

The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Money that was supposed to be earmarked for peaceful civilian use that had world pressure behind it to be released?

What would be the image and cries if the money was withheld?

Shrugs…

Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). The result was a victory for Hamas, contesting under the list name of Change and Reform, which received 44.45% of the vote and won 74 of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah received 41.43% of the vote and won 45 seats.[1]

en.m.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=The%20result%20was%20a%20victory,vote%20and%20won%2045%20seats.&text=The %20newly%20elected%20PLC%20met,time%20on%2018%20February%202006.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

What happened happened the way it happened because Hamas made a decision and perhaps Israel knew and perhaps Israel was hoping Hamas would not carry out the attack but either what their hands were tied.

I think it likely Netanyahu was hoping Hamas would attack as it would give him an excuse to do what he wanted to do to save his unpopular party but he was caught out by the scale of the attack , he made the classic mistake and underestimated his enemy.

Let it go the Jews won so seek life else where , Remaining in that place is doing nothing but bringing harm on your people .

It's their land and it also hosts the 3rd holiest site in Islam , the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

If I were to purchase the land, would it belong to me?

What if I purchased land and that land had homeless people squatting on it? Am I responsible for finding them new homes or is the seller responsible?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If Britain wanted to give land to the Jews could they not have given somewhere that didn't already belong to someone else ?

Palestine wasn't Britain's to give to anybody

a reply to: gortex

I think it likely Netanyahu was hoping Hamas would attack as it would give him an excuse to do what he wanted to do to save his unpopular party but he was caught out by the scale of the attack , he made the classic mistake and underestimated his enemy.

Yes Netanyahu has been in power since before President Bush was in office and with out question that much time in power corrupts completely .

Is he using this Attack to his political advantage ? Of course he is that's what politicians do.

Is he responsible for allowing it to happen ? No he does not wield that much power and if he did wield that much power he would have no worries about remaining in power in the first place .

It's their land and it also hosts the 3rd holiest site in Islam , the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Completely understandable , And Palestinians should make this site a mecca for there people and return to it when ever they feel lead to. Just like other Muslims do with Jerusalem it's a place of Accepted gathering for both Muslims and Jews.

But simply remaining there out of pure obstinence screaming this is our land is not working for their people and is causing nothing but trouble . Yes they have claim but also need to recognize the battle is over and has been for 100 years.

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

If Britain wanted to give land to the Jews could they not have given somewhere that didn't already belong to someone else ?

Palestine wasn't Britain's to give to anybody

There was never a Palestine!

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: EternalShadow

Does it make the attack less detrimental? That's subjective first of all, but I'll say no because you don't want to hear yes. So no, but contrived? You better believe it.

Okay lets role the clock back to before the attack .

Let's assume Mossad knew the attack was coming . What does Israel do with that information ?

They could warn the people in the Area of Gaza and Israel that is being targeted

Okay great do they evacuate the people ? How do they convince the 100's of thousands of people the attack is going to be so bad they need to evacuate immediately ? In truth they couldn't convince them because these people are under constant threat of attack . Okay so evacuating the people is out and even if they did some how convince the people to move then Hamas would just move the attack to another populated area.

Okay continuing on the Theory Israel was aware of the coming attack .

Let's say Mossad and the IDF decide to act on the intelligence about the attack and launch a preemptive attack on Hamas and all of the Rocket locations .

Great they have stopped a massive attack and saved thousands of both Israeli and Palestinian lives so it's a win win right ? Wrong if Israel attacked unprovoked you and every other sympathizer on the Internet would be running around with their hair on fire screaming for Jihad . Now Hamas would have an even greater reason to call for War and all the Recruits they would ever need .

What happened happened the way it happened because Hamas made a decision and perhaps Israel knew and perhaps Israel was hoping Hamas would not carry out the attack but either what their hands were tied.

The fact that you think I'm sympathizing for either side is adorable.

THEY'RE BOTH EQUALLY DISGUSTING.

If the intelligence was solid and Israel preemptively attacked those rocket locations to thwart an imminent attack from Palestine, and it was PROVEN, what's the problem?? How could the world condemn that?

But that's way too much accountability so it was easier to let it play out so they could gauge and INCREASE the scope of their response.

They partially WANTED this, it's called strategy, escalation, exacerbation, take your pick....a few broken eggs is worth the final objective for certain folks.

Kinda hard to ride the moral high horse when you have Israeli soldiers shooting defenseless combatants in the water. They purposely shot, threw grenades and ran over them with their boats. That's a war crime, sorry. So this is eye for an eye while a SECOND US Navy Carrier strike force is en route to provide cover for the upcoming annihilation.
www.zerohedge.com...

vi. Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;

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Here's the video evidence: (!!NSFW!! This video is graphic NOT gory, sensitive or easily triggered people should probably not view it. Viewer discretion is advised.)
www.kaotic.com...

🤷🏻 oh well, right? Smh.. This is exactly why they are trying to categorize a declaration of war by Hamas as a terror attack instead so they can take the gloves off and sway public opinion in their favor.

American MSM would NEVER air that footage, so you probably wouldn't even have known about it if you weren't looking. Be careful not to lock yourself into being purposely obstinate.

We're all being royally mind humped.

a reply to: EternalShadow

The fact that you think I'm sympathizing for either side is adorable.

I am adorable

If the intelligence was solid and Israel preemptively attacked those rocket locations to thwart an imminent attack from Palestine, and it was PROVEN, what's the problem?? How could the world condemn that?

How you ask ?

Israel is being condemned now as we speak , The world saw the attack or saw as much as they could and still many condemn Israel . If the IDF attacked unprovoked no amount of proof would be enough to convince people it was a credible attack .

Even now people are calling all of this a Psyop . There was no correct way to handle this but the lesser of two evils was to simply hope Hamas didn't follow through on the attack.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: EternalShadow

The fact that you think I'm sympathizing for either side is adorable.

I am adorable

If the intelligence was solid and Israel preemptively attacked those rocket locations to thwart an imminent attack from Palestine, and it was PROVEN, what's the problem?? How could the world condemn that?

Israel is being condemned now as we speak , The world saw the attack or saw as much as they could and still many condemn Israel . If the IDF attacked unprovoked no amount of proof would be enough to convince people it was a credible attack.

Even now people are calling all of this a Psyop . There was no correct way to handle this but the lesser of two evils was to simply hope Hamas didn't follow through on the attack.

And you're STILL gaslighting the situation like you did when you initially responded to my comment! I'M NOT BUYING IT! Israel doesn't get a pass for just being Israel!! They have PLENTY of intelligence streams and apparatuses that KNEW this was inevitable.

I'm not an idiot pushover, and frankly I'm offended that you think if you just say it enough times, I'll come around eventually.