Hammas Calls for Global Jihad Friday October 13

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: TTU77

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: TTU77

we have 2 points were the needle of public opinion can shift the first was the way Hamas recorded their barbarous acts the second will be in response to the ground war.. it looks like we'll see the second tomorrow..

then we'll see if the first was designed to create the second..

in my mind both US/UK and Iran have been trying to create their end times war and then 1,000 years of peace since Iraq and this might very be the catalyst..

These are my thoughts exactly.

It's why I see the wisdom in Jesus' words - forgive and pray for your enemies. There plan would not work then. The cycle would be broken.

Has that strategy worked with an impending conflict like this before?

Yes, it has. There is ample historical evidence of anti-terrorist legal action, even in your country and especially in recent history.

And de-escalating such situations is a valid response, and that has prevented further loss of innocent lives in the past.

The reaction of vengeance is rarely one of justice.

OK. I'll leave my gun at home tomorrow and proceed through the day prayerfully, and wishing good tidings on others.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: chr0naut


The perpetrators should be sought out, their financial resources suspended, they should be imprisoned, and they should stand trial for their crimes. This can be done in an international court if needs be (Jewish Holocaust perpetrators were sought and prosecuted in just this same international manner, and there have been similar peacetime anti-terrorist legal actions).

You realize the only way the perpetrators of the Holocaust were able to be brought to justice is because we fought a war against them right?

Nazis that were caught in peacetime in South America and other places were able to be tried because the Nazi regime in Germany had been defeated via a war. Without the war, the Nazis would have still been in control of Germany and they'd have all gotten away with it.

Yes, I am aware that there had been a war, but also the chief instigators of the response to the Holocaust were mostly non-military. They arose in an environment of the desire to prevent future wars that was exemplified in the Leage of Nations and the United Nations.

It could be argued that even if Germany had won the second world war, it would, for the sake of its people, have had to implement legal rules that would have begun to include a human rights basis, and that new rulers would have looked back at the previous leadership as tyrannical and evil.

I will make sure to have my De-Escalation ammo loaded....just in case.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: chr0naut


The perpetrators should be sought out, their financial resources suspended, they should be imprisoned, and they should stand trial for their crimes. This can be done in an international court if needs be (Jewish Holocaust perpetrators were sought and prosecuted in just this same international manner, and there have been similar peacetime anti-terrorist legal actions).

You realize the only way the perpetrators of the Holocaust were able to be brought to justice is because we fought a war against them right?

Nazis that were caught in peacetime in South America and other places were able to be tried because the Nazi regime in Germany had been defeated via a war. Without the war, the Nazis would have still been in control of Germany and they'd have all gotten away with it.

Yes, I am aware that there had been a war, but also the chief instigators of the response to the Holocaust were mostly non-military. They arose in an environment of the desire to prevent future wars that was exemplified in the Leage of Nations and the United Nations.

It could be argued that even if Germany had won the second world war, it would, for the sake of its people, have had to implement legal rules that would have begun to include a human rights basis, and that new rulers would have looked back at the previous leadership as tyrannical and evil.

So your answer to that is that Nazi Germany was on the verge of becoming a strong human rights supporter.

I wish I could say I'm surprised to see you say something so disgusting, but like I said you're always wrong on everything.

You still haven't explained how Hamas could be prosecuted.

You know they can't be. You'd just let them get away with it.

originally posted by: matafuchs
I will make sure to have my De-Escalation ammo loaded....just in case.

That's excellent.

a reply to: TTU77

From over the pond! Say there is an event in the USA. How much will the USAs ability to react be restricted by the lack of a house speaker..?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TTU77

From over the pond! Say there is an event in the USA. How much will the USAs ability to react be restricted by the lack of a house speaker..?

It won't be restricted at all. The first response to any terrorist attacks would be from local entities like local police departments and other first responders. And any federal response needed, the President already has the authority he needs to do it.

The more likely thing to restrict our response is Biden's inability to make a decision about anything in quicker than 5 days.

Those making excuses for the baby burners and baby beheaders are trash.
Plain and simple trash.

a reply to: TTU77

Wake up. No one kills 1500 harmless, helpless civilians, including babies for geopolitics.

America killed over 500 thousand Iraqi civilians for geopolitics. The thought to type re: wake up is ironic. Lose the amnesia.

It is religious and incredibly naive to think otherwise, yet you have the gall to say I'm denying ignorance. Try again.

Propaganda and a lack of geopolitical awareness that reflects real world optics is why you buy into the age old CIA Feudal manipulation. It causes people to perceive this issue in overly simplistic ways such as Jews vs. Muslims. Tribalism mentality. Any thoughts on the British and Ottoman Empire dealings in that region pre WW1...?

I advice you to watch the video I post in the second post of this thread

I didn't come back to this site after some years to learn about what causes YOUR misperceptions. I'm here to deny ignorance towards those who buy into propaganda. I've been out there in the real world where these topics are NOT only mind distractions on the computer, like it is for many. Btw, any threads on Netanyahu's party funneling money to Hamas as well...? Crazy world, right...? You want a thread...?

Anyway. I like to believe you are not a hypocrite. So, I leave you with this to marinate on:

In Gaza: We are watching a mass murdering ethnic cleansing campaign in real time.

If we all agree that killing civilians is indefensible, then why are we directly supporting it — on a worse scale than ever before — in Gaza...?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Those making excuses for the baby burners and baby beheaders are trash.
Plain and simple trash.

Seconded.

I'm gonna haveta take a break for a while. Someone else can debunk the Jihadist sympathizers for a while.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Those making excuses for the baby burners and baby beheaders are trash.
Plain and simple trash.

In this thread, has anyone been 'making excuses' for the baby burners and baby decapitators?

originally posted by: face23785
You guys scared him away. I wanted to hear his brilliant thoughts on how Hamas could simply be "prosecuted" for these terrorist attacks.

How?

You do the following:

* You identify the primary names and identities of all those who specifically sanctioned and planned the attacks, those at the very top, first. You publish the details of their involvement, their photos, and bios.

* Then you place them on international no-fly lists and prevent them crossing borders, containing them.

* Simultaneously, you work to freeze their accounts, pending outcome of their trial. This is best done by banks and forensic accountants.

* Then you send in international policing teams, possibly working with compliant local authorities, to arrest the perpetrators (The Gaza strip is only small, 25 miles long and between 3.7 to 7.5 miles wide).

* Then you 'render' the perps to a neutral location where they can be tried, and you also allow them legal representation, giving their legal teams time and resource to mount a proper defense, in accordance with normal 'trial by jury' procedures.

* You reward and protect those who provide reliable and relevant information in the investigation.

* Once you have removed the people at the 'top' of the terrorist organization, you begin to work your way down through the ranks specifically to identify everyone who has blood on their hands.

* Rinse and repeat until it is generally agreed that everyone has been caught.

Seems things aren't so bad out there, praise God.

There are some hiccups though.

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originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: TTU77

Wake up. No one kills 1500 harmless, helpless civilians, including babies for geopolitics.

America killed over 500 thousand Iraqi civilians for geopolitics. The thought to type re: wake up is ironic. Lose the amnesia.

It is religious and incredibly naive to think otherwise, yet you have the gall to say I'm denying ignorance. Try again.

Propaganda and a lack of geopolitical awareness that reflects real world optics is why you buy into the age old CIA Feudal manipulation. It causes people to perceive this issue in overly simplistic ways such as Jews vs. Muslims. Tribalism mentality. Any thoughts on the British and Ottoman Empire dealings in that region pre WW1...?

I advice you to watch the video I post in the second post of this thread

I didn't come back to this site after some years to learn about what causes YOUR misperceptions. I'm here to deny ignorance towards those who buy into propaganda. I've been out there in the real world where these topics are NOT only mind distractions on the computer, like it is for many. Btw, any threads on Netanyahu's party funneling money to Hamas as well...? Crazy world, right...? You want a thread...?

Anyway. I like to believe you are not a hypocrite. So, I leave you with this to marinate on:

In Gaza: We are watching a mass murdering ethnic cleansing campaign in real time.

If we all agree that killing civilians is indefensible, then why are we directly supporting it — on a worse scale than ever before — in Gaza...?

The point I was hoping to make was that there purpose was to kill Jews. They did not seek to conquer or capture any land, take over any resources, or have any geopolitical purpose. They went for Jihad. This is spiritual entirely.

I don't condone Israels' response. I understand it opened the wound of the holocaust, so there is a lot of emotion and perhaps stirred up hatred. They are no longer weak and powerless, so the temptation might be there to proof that.

The correct biblical response, which would truly be out of this world, perhaps, would be to forgive the atrocity. Jesus said we aren't to resist evil. This is true victory over evil, not repaying evil with evil. However, Israel doesn't fall the words of Jesus. I wish they will, soon, for that is when Jesus will arrive.

Such a response would be impossible in this fallen world. Only King Jesus would rule this way. In the new heavens and earth, there will be no sin, so this difficult decisions won't ever be needed.

Can you imagine what this fallen world would say to the response of forgiving? It'd be political suicide for one, thus insuring it'll never happen, thought it's the only true way of peace, and people would view it as weak. A real man will fight back, etc, ensuring the cycle continues.

Second best response might be, targetting 100% only those responsible, no bombing from skies, or minimal. The cost of that would then be israel soliders lives in place of the innocent cilivians, mostly children. Again, this is political suicide to some extent, thus ensuring this tragedy of loss of innocent lives. They would have to make it entirely a ground invasion, from prepared and waiting army who has already laid a trap for them. It will be bloody.

It would appear Israel is responding in the correct way to incite Islam, as perhaps was the trap set in this attack. To incite Israel to create a massive response that would thus incite the totality of Islam. There will be so many images of innocent children, how can it not insight Islam as a whole. The seeds could very well be being sowed for the global jihad mentioned in Revelations, as the birth pangs go. The frequency and response will grow bigger and more frequency and until birth.

Hamas caught faking a video of a dead Palestinian "baby" using a doll

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Those making excuses for the baby burners and baby beheaders are trash.
Plain and simple trash.

In this thread, has anyone been 'making excuses' for the baby burners and baby decapitators?

Only you
Dont shy away now red

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Those making excuses for the baby burners and baby beheaders are trash.
Plain and simple trash.

In this thread, has anyone been 'making excuses' for the baby burners and baby decapitators?

Only you
Dont shy away now red

I am not a communist or even particularly socialist. I am a centrist. Yesterday, the country where I reside voted in the center right-wing of the two major parties, I assure you, I did not vote at all for the center-left wing party (I spread my vote across several small parties and independents). I am satisfied with the outcome here in New Zealand and have great hope for the success of the new government. Previously I have voted for the same center-right party that is now in government.

I ask that you re-read this thread with attention to the actual words used, rather than what you wish to infer, and observe that no-one has posted excuses for the Hamas atrocities.

Please also consider that an extremist bias may be coloring your views of what others are posting.