Can you admit Trump was right on a few things?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: gortex

Just like Afghanistan, couldn’t have had anything to do with Biden.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was instigated by Trump , another dumb move.

you are well beyond any help. Your TDS is terminal.

Following his decision to withdraw Trump wanted to leave just 2,500 troops in a hostile country , yeah great leader.

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of drawdowns of U.S. troops. By June 2020, President Trump reduced U.S. troops in Afghanistan to8,600. In September 2020, he directed a further draw down to 4,500.
A month later, President Trump tweeted, to the surprise of military advisors, that the remaining U.S. troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021,Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date.

President Biden had committed to ending the war in Afghanistan, but when he came into office he was confronted with difficult realities left to him by the Trump Administration.
President Biden asked his military leaders about the options he faced, including the ramifications of further delaying the deadline of May 1. He pressed his intelligence professionals on whether it was feasible to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan and both defend them against a renewed Taliban onslaught and maintain a degree of stability in the country.
The assessment from those intelligence professionals was that the United States would need to send more American troops into harm’s way to ensure our troops could defend themselves and to stop the stalemate from getting worse.
www.whitehouse.gov...

What short blinkered memories you have.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: gortex

Just like Afghanistan, couldn’t have had anything to do with Biden.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was instigated by Trump , another dumb move.

you are well beyond any help. Your TDS is terminal.

Following his decision to withdraw Trump wanted to leave just 2,500 in a hostile country , yeah great leader.

Over his last 11 months in office, President Trump ordered a series of drawdowns of U.S. troops. By June 2020, President Trump reduced U.S. troops in Afghanistan to8,600. In September 2020, he directed a further draw down to 4,500.
A month later, President Trump tweeted, to the surprise of military advisors, that the remaining U.S.
troops in Afghanistan should be “home by Christmas!” On September 28, 2021,Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Milley testified that, on November 11, he had received an unclassified signed order directing the U.S. military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than January 15, 2021. One week later, that order was rescinded and replaced with one to draw down to 2,500 troops by the same date.

President Biden had committed to ending the war in Afghanistan, but when he came into office he was confronted with difficult realities left to him by the Trump Administration.
President Biden asked his military leaders about the options he faced, including the ramifications of further delaying the deadline of May 1. He pressed his intelligence professionals on whether it was feasible to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan
and both defend them against a renewed Taliban onslaught and maintain a degree of stability in the country.
The assessment from those intelligence professionals was that the United States would need to send more American troops into harm’s way to ensure our troops could defend themselves and to stop the stalemate from getting worse.
www.whitehouse.gov...

What short blinkered memories you have.

I remember it like it was yesterday. My Son was at Bagram AB at the time. So unlike the idiots who don't pay attention to anything but what they think they want to hear, I had a dog in the fight. Trump and his team had provisions that had to be met for anything to take place. Those provisions were not met, Trump wasn't going to give up Bagram, he was going to leave 2500 troops there so they had an FOB to work out of. Biden removed the military (save for the 13 that were killed and the hundreds wounded because the confusion prohibited organized action) first and left all the equipment.

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him. But it's quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard you say to think that what Biden did was Trump's fault. I swear I thought you had more sense than that. I was totally wrong.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: stevieray

That kind of dumb move ?

No , the kind of dumb move where under the deal they were subject to inspections and monitoring but without the deal they were not.

Just like Afghanistan, couldn’t have had anything to do with Biden.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was instigated by Trump , another dumb move.

This is why you’re spoofed with the TDS thing.

Blah blah blah , same old same old.

Biden and staff weren’t allowed to make any changes to the original plan ? They were required to do whatever some Trump staffers had put on paper ?

Proof is in the pudding with Iran, they STFU and were good little boys for 4 years under Trump.

Under Biden, a horrific spectacle and the fool has been hiding for the last 2 days.

Tell us more fantasies please.

a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

It was the Trump administration that signed the agreement.

When President Trump took office in 2017, there were more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan. Eighteen months later, after introducing more than 3,000 additional troops just to maintain the stalemate, President Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table.

In September 2019, President Trump embolded the Taliban by publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021.
www.whitehouse.gov...

Q.E.D

a reply to: network dude
Lol, 2500 is bad, zero much better.
And Biden still got a bunch of people killed on the way to leaving zero.
2500 men with good equipment and perimeter and positioning won’t be taking sh!t from anybody.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

When President Trump took office in 2017, there were more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan. Eighteen months later, after introducing more than 3,000 additional troops just to maintain the stalemate, President Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table.

In September 2019, President Trump embolded the Taliban by publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021.
www.whitehouse.gov...

DERP, the day the withdraw happened, who was president?

And second, did Biden follow Trump's plan to a "T", as he claimed he had to?

Trump organized a deal. And if he was president when the troops came home, and this shIt show happened, it would have been 100% on him. He wasn't. And just like Biden tore up most of what Trump did out of spite, he could have done anything he wanted to, he was in charge. He alone #ed this one up, and to not admit that, is to admit to being dumb enough to believe lies that don't even sound logical.

originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: network dude
Lol, 2500 is bad, zero much better.
And Biden still got a bunch of people killed on the way to leaving zero.
2500 men with good equipment and perimeter and positioning won’t be taking sh!t from anybody.

Bagram had intelligence capacity, airlift capacity, security, it was a no brainer to keep it active. And the Taliban wanted us out. If they messed with the base, we would be right back, and perhaps with a bad attitude and better rules of engagement.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

It was the Trump administration that signed the agreement.

When President Trump took office in 2017, there were more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan. Eighteen months later, after introducing more than 3,000 additional troops just to maintain the stalemate, President Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table.

In September 2019, President Trump embolded the Taliban by publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021.
www.whitehouse.gov...

Q.E.D

Written by Biden’s people.

I like how the Trump text has him “emboldening the Taliban”.

First sentence in the document immediately links Biden to “doing the right thing”.

You don’t even try to hide it lol.

a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

Now that I've shown it was Trump who signed the agreement and so implemented the May 1st deadline the above no longer holds.

Thanks for displaying just how pointless it is debating with Trump supporters.
SMH.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

Now that I've shown it was Trump who signed the agreement and so implemented the May 1st deadline the above no longer holds.

Thanks for displaying just how pointless it is debating with Trump supporters.
SMH.

what date did the troops come home? If it wasn't May 1st, the point you thought you had isn't a point at all.

eta:
this is why TDS is a real thing. You aren't thinking.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

When President Trump took office in 2017, there were more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan. Eighteen months later, after introducing more than 3,000 additional troops just to maintain the stalemate, President Trump ordered direct talks with the Taliban without consulting with our allies and partners or allowing the Afghan government at the negotiating table.

In September 2019, President Trump embolded the Taliban by publicly considering inviting them to Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11. In February 2020, the United States and the Taliban reached a deal, known as the Doha Agreement, under which the United States agreed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Afghanistan by May 2021.
www.whitehouse.gov...

DERP, the day the withdraw happened, who was president?

And second, did Biden follow Trump's plan to a "T", as he claimed he had to?

Trump organized a deal. And if he was president when the troops came home, and this shIt show happened, it would have been 100% on him. He wasn't. And just like Biden tore up most of what Trump did out of spite, he could have done anything he wanted to, he was in charge. He alone #ed this one up, and to not admit that, is to admit to being dumb enough to believe lies that don't even sound logical.

Imagine rushing into a thread about TDS to “prove it wrong” and immediately stumbling into this topic, maybe the worst military debacle in US history, totally owned by Biden.

And still yelling Trump’s name over and over ?

It’s the perfect proof of TDS, blurted out by a guy “disproving it”.

I used to think this guy was halfways sharp too. At least coy and cunning as he made claims he knew weren’t true.

But this is ham handed and embarrassing.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Now if Trump was in office and he ordered this, it would be all on him.

Now that I've shown it was Trump who signed the agreement and so implemented the May 1st deadline the above no longer holds.

Thanks for displaying just how pointless it is debating with Trump supporters.
SMH.

Still of the belief that a sitting president could not change a single solitary thing in the plan ?

Everybody knew it was a horrible plan ( cuz Trump of course)
So Biden went ahead and did it exactly as written, let a bunch of American soldiers get killed and many more loyal local allies, gave away 80 billion worth of equipment and our best strategic outpost in the region …… just to make sure everyone knew how bad Trump’s plan was.

This a fever dream born of TDS.

a reply to: network dude

They are not Monolithic. However from experience. There seems to be a large percentage that seem to be in lock step with each other. Like many have pointed out. It's cult like behavior. And this could simply be because there's a good portion of Trump followers that are very vocal. And their voices outweigh others on the right.

Biden has been continuing Trump's economic policies, as seen in tariffs, free trade agreements, and oil exploration projects.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: network dude

They are not Monolithic. However from experience. There seems to be a large percentage that seem to be in lock step with each other. Like many have pointed out. It's cult like behavior. And this could simply be because there's a good portion of Trump followers that are very vocal. And their voices outweigh others on the right.

mostly about the lies that have been told, and the railroading with the DOJ. An honest person could look at all this and realize that even if Trump is worse than anything anyone says, what's going on isn't even close to fair, it's all political, and to not see that absolutely boggles the mind.

But until you ask, you don't know. All you can do is ASS u ME.

originally posted by: monkeyluv
Biden has been continuing Trump's economic policies, as seen in tariffs, free trade agreements, and oil exploration projects.

Trump was against Oil Exploration? Got a link?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: monkeyluv
Biden has been continuing Trump's economic policies, as seen in tariffs, free trade agreements, and oil exploration projects.

Trump was against Oil Exploration? Got a link?

They don’t even try to hide the lies anymore.

Wanna be dictator? You obviously do not know the definition of the word. Please do not throw around “hateful” words. Most people who have lived under a a real dictatorship would gladly take President Trumps version of being a dictator.
People throw around these words like they are pennies without actually realizing what they are saying.
Dang. a reply to: gortex

Oh come on.
So you are telling me that you do not like under $2 gas prices??? No wars or international conflicts where our sons and daughters are getting killed because some jerks in DC think we should send in troops??? You like paying more for your essentials as well??? Food costs? Utilities??? Rent ???

You don’t have to like President Trump but you could at least say he got those things right. Not like the current administration. You are the one who is projecting honey. Dang. Double dang. a reply to: Mahogany

It was published by the State Department. a reply to: 1947boomer