Reports - Iran Helped Plan The Hamas Attack on Israel

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

I don't think you'll find any love for Iran here on ATS. I don't remember anyone ever standing up for Iran on here; can't think of a single ATS member here that has defended Iran in the past.

The only way I can possibly see this happen is if we helped Israel against Iran, as in military conflict, and as Iran is Russia's military and economic ally, the Russians on here may start defending their ally, but we're far from there. And I hope it doesn't get to that.

There are lots of ways to defend Iran. Like people deflecting responsibility away from them by baselessly claiming Mossad was behind these terror attacks.

I've seen that from multiple people in multiple threads already.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FlyersFan

My shocked face.

Bomb Iran!

Ummm...shades of the ghost of Ole Wet-start Songbird...



YouSir

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: FlyersFan

Make no mistake, when Israel said they are at war over this attack, they didn't mean just with Hamas.

But is it a war of their choosing ?
I find it hard to believe that Mossad were caught unawares by an operation of this scale , Bibbi says Israel's response will 'change Middle East' words that are no doubt music to the ears of his hard line governmental partners.

It's entirely possible that Mossad WAS aware and Bibbi allowed it.

While the atrocities are horrendous, Bibbi is no longer a corrupt leader that masses are rising up against, no one is focusing on the supreme court overhauls... he is now a war leader.

I am not saying he allowed this, but it's definitely possible. Maybe the intel didn't fail.

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless
Yes I did. I stated I did, and I was hoping to not have to take too many slings and arrows from the "hackshuallys" in here.

I am asking the dumb questions for the uninformed lurkers.

Maybe someone can try and explain things without using sarcasm.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless

I know zero, as does most of the public. But at first pass. The seemingly objective truth turns out to be an assumption.

Plot twist Hama's is funded by mossad. I would imagine this to be the movie version plot twist anyway. Any excuse to further invade Palestine.

So you just pulled that out of your hat then?

Let me give you a little clue about the Intelligence
Agencies that sneak around in Iran and close proximity.

**hint hint * Nuclear Weapons

And Iran agreed to their oversight.

If the problem is there's no basis to blame Iran, I'd be happy to discuss that with you. I just don't take too kindly to people who default to "the Jews were behind it!"

If you want to discuss the matter without ridiculous claims that the Jews attacked themselves, then let's talk.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

I don't think you'll find any love for Iran here on ATS. I don't remember anyone ever standing up for Iran on here; can't think of a single ATS member here that has defended Iran in the past.

The only way I can possibly see this happen is if we helped Israel against Iran, as in military conflict, and as Iran is Russia's military and economic ally, the Russians on here may start defending their ally, but we're far from there. And I hope it doesn't get to that.

There are lots of ways to defend Iran. Like people deflecting responsibility away from them by baselessly claiming Mossad was behind these terror attacks.

I've seen that from multiple people in multiple threads already.

No one is defending Iran if they say Mossad may be implicated. Two completely separate things.

One can think Mossad was aware of the attack, and at the same time one can think Iran is part of Satan's bunghole.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

I don't think you'll find any love for Iran here on ATS. I don't remember anyone ever standing up for Iran on here; can't think of a single ATS member here that has defended Iran in the past.

The only way I can possibly see this happen is if we helped Israel against Iran, as in military conflict, and as Iran is Russia's military and economic ally, the Russians on here may start defending their ally, but we're far from there. And I hope it doesn't get to that.

There are lots of ways to defend Iran. Like people deflecting responsibility away from them by baselessly claiming Mossad was behind these terror attacks.

I've seen that from multiple people in multiple threads already.

No one is defending Iran if they say Mossad may be implicated. Two completely separate things.

One can think Mossad was aware of the attack, and at the same time one can think Iran is part of Satan's bunghole.

One can, but most aren't making the distinction you made here.

ETA: And I get it's a conspiracy site, but there should be at least some basis for a conspiracy theory besides "Well it's not impossible." That's weak.

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless

We suddenly trust US intelligence now?

I'd be more inclined to believe the Iran was involved if US intelligence said they weren't.

Russian collusion, covid, Epstien, Joe and Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, when was the last time US intelligence agencies were straight up honest with the American people?

originally posted by: Mahogany

It's entirely possible that Mossad WAS aware and Bibbi allowed it.

While the atrocities are horrendous, Bibbi is no longer a corrupt leader that masses are rising up against, no one is focusing on the supreme court overhauls... he is now a war leader.

I am not saying he allowed this, but it's definitely possible. Maybe the intel didn't fail.

Forming opinions in a vacuum is generally speaking
a dangerous thing to do if survival is on the table.

Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi met with leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad on May 4 during his trip to Syria, where he predicted the imminent “collapse of the Zionist regime.” Damascus-based Palestinian official Khaled Abdul-Majid said the leaders briefed Raisi on developments in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza.

“The Palestinian leaders thanked Iran for its support to the resistance and the Palestinian cause,” said Abdul-Majid, who was present during the talks. “Today more than ever,” Raisi reportedly said, “the unity and cohesion of the resistance forces, the region and the Islamic world is necessary to accelerate the defeat of the Zionist regime and the liberation of the holy Quds and the sovereignty of the Palestinians over their destiny.”

www.fdd.org...

Its rather ironic how the Anti Semitic sentiments
posted echo the terrorist leaders.

Predicable, but ironic.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless

We suddenly trust US intelligence now?

I'd be more inclined to believe the Iran was involved if US intelligence said they weren't.

Russian collusion, covid, Epstien, Joe and Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, when was the last time US intelligence agencies were straight up honest with the American people?

Ummm...I know...suddenly Joe the kiddie sniffer Biden and his MIC administration are the good guys...and entirely believable...

And we're to believe that the intel agencies and Joe the kiddie sniffer...and their MSM propaganda outlets had absolutely nothing to do with fomenting this...and pushing the narrative that Iran was behind it all...

Shades of...Russia..Russia...Russia...

My...ahem...Face...is shockingly shocked...





YouSir

All Iran was waiting for, to have his terrorist groups attack in Israel was the release of the 6b dollars, they were ready, they knew way in advance that biden would bend over to for them.

This is what a weak president does to nations, glorified the terrorist and crap on allies.

a reply to: marg6043

And Biden hasn't cancelled financial aid to Palestine.
It is clear where he stands, supporting the terrorists
and funding them on several levels.

****disclaimer source is from Twitter, this is not an endorsement that this is legit, just a post showing what is being posted on Twitter/X*****

Guess we will know soon as I don't think Israel will stop and they will likely not negotiate or stop bombing. They can't then people would be getting grabbed all over the world and be held hostage. No different in how hijacking planes became popular.

So they said without warning, so send a warning for every building they are going to hit



for perspective, Gaza Live stream you can hear bombing in the distance, and just know large explosions

a reply to: putnam6

No matter what Israel bombs, the Palestinians will falsely claim it was a civilian target, so that's really bad. Those hostages probably don't have long.

If they execute American hostages, I fear Biden won't do jack #.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: FlyersFan

Make no mistake, when Israel said they are at war over this attack, they didn't mean just with Hamas.

But is it a war of their choosing ?
I find it hard to believe that Mossad were caught unawares by an operation of this scale , Bibbi says Israel's response will 'change Middle East' words that are no doubt music to the ears of his hard line governmental partners.

you and I don't agree much, but I also think the folks in charge weren't as blindsided as some seem to think. When a hot war is was the plants crave break out the bwando.

a reply to: face23785

They said the same thing about 9/11. That the Bush admin let it happen.

Never mind that Bush transition was delayed by a challenge to the election.... that failed, btw, and cost us.... but nobody indicted anyone for that.

Perhaps there are forces against Netanyahu that let this happen by keeping quiet, or .... worse..... helping?

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: face23785

They said the same thing about 9/11. That the Bush admin let it happen.

Mostly based on childish misconceptions about how prepared the government was based on nothing but Hollywood movies. People thought SAMs would come up out of the Pentagon lawn and stop any approaching aircraft.

Same kind of thing is happening here. "The boogeyman Jews have their fingers in everything, so there's no way Mossad could have missed this!" Like they're invincible and know everything that's going to happen before it happens.

a reply to: face23785

Well they sure knew about it a they were aware of the 2 months of planning and multiple meetings in Lebanon...so maybe they didn't do it themselves...but they sure didn't stop it. They have no issue making strikes on neighboring countries any other time either, which makes me wonder what was different this time...

How convenient. Reeks of Iraq taking the hit for what the Saudis did on 9/11.

The only people responsible for this are the Israeli terrorists land grabbing murdering scum. Israel got their collective arses handed to them by a bunch of guys attached to kites and now they want everyone to pity them. You reap what you sow.

a reply to: Mahogany

Think bigger picture...what if they US and allies wanted to actually being about war with Russia/China and friends. The US unfreezes 6 billion for Iran knowing what they'd do with it. This gives Israel the justification to really attack iran and in turn drawing Iran's allies into a conflict I don't think they want.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: face23785

Well they sure knew about it a they were aware of the 2 months of planning and multiple meetings in Lebanon...so maybe they didn't do it themselves...but they sure didn't stop it. They have no issue making strikes on neighboring countries any other time either, which makes me wonder what was different this time...

That might make sense if Israel's history was bombing every single meeting that's ever taken place amongst their enemies, but then didn't bomb this one.

That's not the case though. Fail of logic.