Reports - Iran Helped Plan The Hamas Attack on Israel

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

Ummm...cause America never once fomented any hostilities in the region...Right...?

Oh...wait...there are one or two Middle Eastern countries we have yet to invade...and subjugate...cause the "terrorists we created and funded"...decided to go it alone...

YouSir

So the US's past indiscretions make it make sense for progressives to support an extremist religious government that's ultra-conservative and hates pretty much every pet group progressives claim to cherish?

Yeah, great logic there bud.

Ummm...I hardly think you can group me with any progs...

Ummm... nowhere in that post did I call you a progressive.

For someone who likes to think he's the smartest one in the room, your reading comprehension sure needs work.

Ummm...isn't the definition of losing a debate...when one resorts to disparaging the other side...?

D'oh...

You did mention that progressives would be in the thread defending the Palestinians and or Iran...Twice...

And while I wasn't defending them...I was providing context to understanding the basis for both historical and ongoing conflicts in the region...

So...I guess my viewpoint was in opposition to most of the commentary in the thread...and the OP as well...

Thank you for playing...





YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

Ummm...cause America never once fomented any hostilities in the region...Right...?

Oh...wait...there are one or two Middle Eastern countries we have yet to invade...and subjugate...cause the "terrorists we created and funded"...decided to go it alone...

YouSir

So the US's past indiscretions make it make sense for progressives to support an extremist religious government that's ultra-conservative and hates pretty much every pet group progressives claim to cherish?

Yeah, great logic there bud.

Ummm...I hardly think you can group me with any progs...

Ummm... nowhere in that post did I call you a progressive.

For someone who likes to think he's the smartest one in the room, your reading comprehension sure needs work.

Ummm...isn't the definition of losing a debate...when one resorts to disparaging the other side...?

D'oh...

You did mention that progressives would be in the thread defending the Palestinians and or Iran...Twice...

And while I wasn't defending them...I was providing context to understanding the basis for both historical and ongoing conflicts in the region...

So...I guess my viewpoint was in opposition to most of the commentary in the thread...and the OP as well...

Thank you for playing...

YouSir

Yeah none of that equates to me calling you a progressive. Not even close. Complete failure of logic on your part. Not thinking is a quick way to lose a debate.

Your viewpoint in reply to me made no sense.

Go back and read it all again, slowly. I never even hinted you were a progressive. You are wrong.

originally posted by: carewemust
It would destroy the Biden administration to admit US intelligence watched and listened to IRAN train HAMAS for these attacks for 2 months.

Yet did not warn Israel of what was coming.

There are at least two reasons why.

I'm sure most of you have figured them out already.

SIMILARLY, Biden intelligence agencies did not warn Americans that a Chinese spy platform was coming to hover over America, and potentially release anthrax high in our atmosphere!
😡

Biden has the blind drive towards placating Iran just like Obama did.

The administration is already getting weak-kneed in their "ironclad" support for Israel.

Blinken has already been on TV saying there's no links to Iran, and in a phonecall to Turkey he expressed support for Turkey calling for a ceasefire.

How American Jews can keep voting Democrat is beyond me. They are not a friend to Israel. They just want their votes and donations.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: FlyersFan


Ummm...nice typical load of..."if's"..."undisclosed sources"...and innuendo masquerading as news...

I thought we all grew beyond accepting the MSM as anything remotely resembling truth...

But...here we all go again...swallowing...and wallowing...

YouSir

The typical MSM position on this is pro-Palestinian.

Don't worry, they'll get back to that in a few days.

They're faking "solidarity" right now so the Democrats don't lose the Jewish vote.

That didn't take long. CNN is already focusing on the collateral casualties in Gaza to make Israel look as bad as possible.

a reply to: YouSir

Actually, The U.S. CIA is not alone in the Middle East
sandbox, England has had it's fair share of creations too.

It goes way back, I'm sure you know that America has
a much shorter history timeline.

originally posted by: face23785

The administration is already getting weak-kneed in their "ironclad" support for Israel.

Blinken has already been on TV saying there's no links to Iran, and in a phonecall to Turkey he expressed support for Turkey calling for a ceasefire.

This is Biden's standard MO. Do and then say they didn't.

There is however that sticky little problem of 6 Billion
went to the piggy bank of State Sponsored Terrorism.

Not to mention all of the kiddies are squealing about
it with glee. Hamas and Hezbollah have both let
loose on that.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Make no mistake, when Israel said they are at war over this attack, they didn't mean just with Hamas.

But is it a war of their choosing ?
I find it hard to believe that Mossad were caught unawares by an operation of this scale , Bibbi says Israel's response will 'change Middle East' words that are no doubt music to the ears of his hard line governmental partners.

a reply to: FlyersFan
I was just watching DW news(a German MSM news channel) and during an interview one of their middle east "experts" said that the head of the Iranian Al quds brigade is meeting with Hassan Nasrallah(the boss of Hizbollah) today.

Also there have been some rockets fired and small incursions by Hizbollah from Lebanon earlier today-they got smoked by the IDF but there are thousands more well armed in Lebanon waiting for the signal from the mullahs.

Israel know that with the mullahs in power in Iran-nothing will ever change.
I can see this event being the one which does lead to a war including Iran-and if that is the case Lebanaon,the west bank and maybe even Syria will get involved.

A nightmare scenario.

Ok, I'm probably going to look dumb here. But this is a question from me and all the lesser informed lurkers.

Seems like a dumb move from Iran. Also the report literally states an assumption from one person as evidence.

Imo this plays into the hands of the western warmongers. Or rather, to me, whom is not really ofey (sp?) With this Iran stuff.

I know zero, as does most of the public. But at first pass. The seemingly objective truth turns out to be an assumption.

Plot twist Hama's is funded by mossad. I would imagine this to be the movie version plot twist anyway. Any excuse to further invade Palestine.

Again. I know I don't know much about this and I'm not much attached personally to any version of truth. Just being honest with how this appears.

Perhaps after reading more this comment won't age well, even to me. I am not an Iran apologist. Nor a progressive. And to head up with those preemptive attacks won't get you very far with the lurkers. Just sayin'

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

a reply to: GandalftheLegless

So summation:

You admit you don't know anything about the situation, but your gut tells you the Jews may have been behind this attack on the Jews?

Do I have that right?

Iran has the bomb. That's why they're taking the risk. It's a blackmail strategy.

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless

I know zero, as does most of the public. But at first pass. The seemingly objective truth turns out to be an assumption.

Plot twist Hama's is funded by mossad. I would imagine this to be the movie version plot twist anyway. Any excuse to further invade Palestine.

So you just pulled that out of your hat then?

Let me give you a little clue about the Intelligence
Agencies that sneak around in Iran and close proximity.

**hint hint * Nuclear Weapons

And Iran agreed to their oversight.

a reply to: FlyersFan

My shocked face.



Bomb Iran!

originally posted by: DBCowboy


Bomb Iran!

People have such a short memory.

Remember when McCain, Biden and Graham were
all friends and went on vacation together?

Pepperidge Farm Remembers!

We suddenly trust US intelligence now?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: FlyersFan

US intelligence watched and listened to Iran train HAMAS for these attacks for 2 months.

Yet we did not warn Israel of what was coming.

There are at least two good reasons why.

I'm sure most of you have figured them out already.

a reply to: DBCowboy

highly probable this time.. the parading of obviously brutally raped women will have serious consequences.. I'm reminded of Boudica and The Slaughter at Camulodunum in response to the rape of her daughters.. as terror tactics go its the one most liable to craft the most brutal of responses..

Quit being aggressive to everyone

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: GandalftheLegless

So summation:

You admit you don't know anything about the situation, but your gut tells you the Jews may have been behind this attack on the Jews?

Do I have that right?

Yes I did. I stated I did, and I was hoping to not have to take too many slings and arrows from the "hackshuallys" in here.

I am asking the dumb questions for the uninformed lurkers.

Maybe someone can try and explain things without using sarcasm.

originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless

I know zero, as does most of the public. But at first pass. The seemingly objective truth turns out to be an assumption.

Plot twist Hama's is funded by mossad. I would imagine this to be the movie version plot twist anyway. Any excuse to further invade Palestine.

So you just pulled that out of your hat then?

Let me give you a little clue about the Intelligence
Agencies that sneak around in Iran and close proximity.

**hint hint * Nuclear Weapons

And Iran agreed to their oversight.

originally posted by: face23785
Expect the Iran apologists to be along shortly.

I really don't get the Western progressive love affair with Iran.

I don't think you'll find any love for Iran here on ATS. I don't remember anyone ever standing up for Iran on here; can't think of a single ATS member here that has defended Iran in the past.

The only way I can possibly see this happen is if we helped Israel against Iran, as in military conflict, and as Iran is Russia's military and economic ally, the Russians on here may start defending their ally, but we're far from there. And I hope it doesn't get to that.

originally posted by: GandalftheLegless
Quit being aggressive to everyone

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: GandalftheLegless

So summation:

You admit you don't know anything about the situation, but your gut tells you the Jews may have been behind this attack on the Jews?

Do I have that right?

Pointing out what you said is aggressive?

Did you not post that you think Mossad, the intelligence agency of the Jewish state, is behind the attacks on the Jewish state? And that you are just making that up out of nowhere with no justification?

Did I get that wrong? I asked. I'm asking again. If that's not what you meant, feel free to clarify.