Huge death toll on both Israel and Palestine-Over 1,100 deaths in just 2 days

a reply to: carewemust

Not a gift. It was Irans money that was frozen in South Korean banks that was from the sale of its oil.

And supposedly it can only be spend on food, medicine, medical devices, and agricultural products for the people of Iran.

But I do agree to refreezing it.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: carewemust

Not a gift. It was Irans money that was frozen in South Korean banks that was from the sale of its oil.

And supposedly it can only be spend on food, medicine, medical devices, and agricultural products for the people of Iran.

But I do agree to refreezing it.

I'm glad you agree with refreezing it, but I have to disagree that it wasn't a gift.

The money was frozen for a reason, because of Iran's malign activity. Iran didn't stop their malign activity in exchange for the Biden admin getting the money released. In fact, it was a reward for their malign activity. It was unfrozen in exchange for hostages.

If you don't call that a gift, I don't know what it is. The only other word I can put to it is "ransom," but we're not allowed to say that either.

In the last hour or so reports from Israel comfirm that more than 800 Israelis have lost their lives and at least 550 Palestinians have been killed according to the Palestinian Authorities. The number of people died is at least 1,350 and keeps increasing.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I replied exactly what they're doing at the moment. I don't think this is weird. If you take a look at my reply above you will see the death toll has increased from 1,100 to at least 1,350 on both sides. And keeps increasing.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I replied exactly what they're doing at the moment.

No I didn't. Here are the only questions I have asked you in this thread:

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

originally posted by: face23785
What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

originally posted by: Muldar


I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

I am NOT asking you what you think Isreal will do. I am NOT asking you what Israel has done.

I can see making that mistake once, but I've asked you three times. And your English seems fine.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the questions, or are you just afraid to answer?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I replied exactly what they're doing at the moment.

No I didn't. Here are the only questions I have asked you in this thread:

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

originally posted by: face23785
What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

originally posted by: Muldar


I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

I am NOT asking you what you think Isreal will do. I am NOT asking you what Israel has done.

I can see making that mistake once, but I've asked you three times. And your English seems fine.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the questions, or are you just afraid to answer?

So what do you think Israel should do?

Your question

And I have answered, exactly what they've done. Retaliate.

As a result there are at least 1,350 deaths on both sides and the death toll increases.


I speak 4 languages by the way.

A very sharp note.
This thread is made to record and discuss the death toll and the destruction of war and not for political propaganda or taking sides as it has happened in the other thread that I have been reading.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I replied exactly what they're doing at the moment.

No I didn't. Here are the only questions I have asked you in this thread:

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

originally posted by: face23785
What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

originally posted by: Muldar


I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

I am NOT asking you what you think Isreal will do. I am NOT asking you what Israel has done.

I can see making that mistake once, but I've asked you three times. And your English seems fine.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the questions, or are you just afraid to answer?

So what do you think Israel should do?

Your question

And I have answered, exactly what they've done. Retaliate.

So that's why you misrepresented my question every other time you "answered" it, like this:

originally posted by: Muldar


You asked me what I think Israel will do

So you agree with what Israel is doing, to be clear. That's all I was asking. I don't know why you spent 2 pages lying and pretending I asked a totally different question.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

That's not what I asked.

What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

I ve already told you.
Precisely what happens at the moment.
But my point is, this won't solve any problems. It will probably engage more nations in a widespread conflict in the region.

You've told me what Israel is doing.

You're carefully avoiding saying what you would have done.

Why are you afraid to answer that?

I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

ETA: If you already said what you would have done, just quote that message in response. Easy. You're expending way more effort to avoid answering than it would take to just answer. Really weird.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I replied exactly what they're doing at the moment.

No I didn't. Here are the only questions I have asked you in this thread:

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

originally posted by: face23785
What do you think Israel's response should have been to a terrorist attack that killed over 700 innocent people?

originally posted by: Muldar


I ask again, if you were Israel, what would you have done after this terrorist attack that killed over 700 mostly civilians?

I am NOT asking you what you think Isreal will do. I am NOT asking you what Israel has done.

I can see making that mistake once, but I've asked you three times. And your English seems fine.

Are you genuinely incapable of understanding the questions, or are you just afraid to answer?

So what do you think Israel should do?

Your question

And I have answered, exactly what they've done. Retaliate.

So that's why you misrepresented my question every other time you "answered" it, like this:

originally posted by: Muldar


You asked me what I think Israel will do

So you agree with what Israel is doing, to be clear. That's all I was asking. I don't know why you spent 2 pages lying and pretending I asked a totally different question.

You asked me what I think Israel will do and I answered you. That doesn't mean I agree with full retaliation and never ending killings on both sides.

You have made attempts to get me to say that I agree with war or with what Israel has done or what Hamas has done earlier (or will be doing in the future).

I certainly don't agree with full scale war and I think a diplomatic solution should be made after the bombings have finished, as Israel is going to bomb Gaza as it seems in a massive scale.

A very sharp note. (as before)
This thread is made to record and discuss the death toll and the destruction of war and not for political propaganda or taking sides as it has happened in the other thread that I have been reading.

a reply to: carewemust

All the money was released on September 18, the same day that the hostages were released, but some of the money were released earlier in the September, when Iran first transfer the hostages from Iran, while the US claim that the money is to be used for humanitarian purposes, Iran voiced that they will do as they please with the money.

Its now no doubt that Iran had their dirty hands on the weapons used in Israel, soo where the money came from, you do not need to be a genius to know what is going on.

Thanks biden, he just made US responsible of the dead of Israelis and Palestinians.

a reply to: face23785

It's not a gift because that's money that they earned through the sale of oil. They were going to get that money eventually. They just got it sooner because of the prisoner exchange.

a reply to: face23785

For your own information I don't support either side on this war and both sides in the past and recently have committed terrible crimes. I mean their militia. Death toll so far is 1,350 and keeps rising and many thousands injured.

originally posted by: Muldar

You asked me what I think Israel will do

Oh my God.

I really do not understand why you would continue to lie about what I asked?

I have not once asked you what Israel will do. You cannot quote me asking that because I haven't asked that.

Nothing about my simple question was "political propaganda" by the way.

Some people here are so freaking weird. Like what could you possibly get out of derailing your own thread by repeatedly lying about what someone asked you instead of just answering what they actually asked you.

So the rest of your post does finally, answer my question for the first time though, after two pages of dodging it.

So you think Israel should do some airstrikes and then try to reach a diplomatic solution. Okay, I accept that as your answer. I don't agree with it but thank you for finally answering it.

L

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar

You asked me what I think Israel will do

Oh my God.

I really do not understand why you would continue to lie about what I asked?

I have not once asked you what Israel will do. You cannot quote me asking that because I haven't asked that.

Nothing about my simple question was "political propaganda" by the way.

Some people here are so freaking weird. Like what could you possibly get out of derailing your own thread by repeatedly lying about what someone asked you instead of just answering what they actually asked you.

So the rest of your post does finally, answer my question for the first time though, after two pages of dodging it.

So you think Israel should do some airstrikes and then try to reach a diplomatic solution. Okay, I accept that as your answer. I don't agree with it but thank you for finally answering it.

I ve noted the type of political propaganda in the other thread and the range of nonsense by people who have never been in the army and don't even know what conflict is, let alone war.

Your question was answered straight away earlier. Nobody is lying to you. You're lying to yourself if you think you will find support for this war on this thread.

Yes, Israel should look for a diplomatic solution asap as the death toll and destruction is huge on both sides with the risk of getting much higher in the near future and the risk of other nations getting involved. Retaliation should be proportional by the way.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: face23785

It's not a gift because that's money that they earned through the sale of oil. They were going to get that money eventually. They just got it sooner because of the prisoner exchange.

I'm aware of where the money came from. Iran has been denied lots of money they would have otherwise fairly earned because of international sanctions against them for their support of terrorism and other destabilizing activities.

We gave them legit prisoners and got $6B in frozen assets released for them in exchange for hostages that were taken on bogus grounds. I'd call that pretty generous, that's why I think it's fair to characterize it as a gift. Gift has more than one definition.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

originally posted by: Muldar
Your question was answered straight away earlier. Nobody is lying to you.

You lied multiple times about what I asked. I proved that with quotes from my and your earlier posts. It's there for everyone to see. If you want to keep lying, be my guest, I'm not going to keep responding to you about that issue because it's resolved. You finally answered what you would do after lying about it for 2 pages and are still lying. Really, really strange thing to lie about.

Yes, Israel should look for a diplomatic solution asap as the death toll and destruction is huge on both sides with the risk of getting much higher in the near future and the risk of other nations getting involved.

Israel has suffered repeated terrorist attacks from Hamas for almost 20 years. They've tried negotiating with them. It doesn't work.

Retaliation should be proportional by the way.

In this case that would mean Israel would target 700+ Palestinian civilians on purpose. Is that really what you want to advocate?

Had Joshua, the ruler over Israel after Moses died had done his job, the Palenstines would have been extinguished like the Edomites, Amorites and others.

God told Joshua to kill all Palenstines and he refused to follow God.


a reply to: Muldar

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Muldar

So what do you think Israel should do?

Surely you don't think they should just be like "700 dead, but if we attack there will be more, so we'll just accept that and move on."

Israel has already answered by killing over 500 Palestinians (as of a few hours ago). And it will increase its efforts by bombing Gaza and then a ground Invasion with tens of thousands of troops.
But that will not solve the problem.

No but it will make sure Gazan resources and manpower are used in support of Gaza instead of attacking Israel

In this case it will damage the Hamas effort. No doubt about it.

The difference is Hamas seems to have a range of resources from other countries including man power that can replace those who are killed in the war.

True and perhaps the hope is if enough misery is rained down on the Gazan general public, they will oust the Hamas leadership and militants within Gaza. Of course, this is not likely at all, they are too entrenched and financed, and by the celebrations and violating of the dead Israelis, supported within Gaza.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Muldar
Your question was answered straight away earlier. Nobody is lying to you.

You lied multiple times about what I asked. I proved that with quotes from my and your earlier posts. It's there for everyone to see. If you want to keep lying, be my guest, I'm not going to keep responding to you about that issue because it's resolved. You finally answered what you would do after lying about it for 2 pages and are still lying. Really, really strange thing to lie about.

Yes, Israel should look for a diplomatic solution asap as the death toll and destruction is huge on both sides with the risk of getting much higher in the near future and the risk of other nations getting involved.

Israel has suffered repeated terrorist attacks from Hamas for almost 20 years. They've tried negotiating with them. It doesn't work.

Retaliation should be proportional by the way.

In this case that would mean Israel would target 700+ Palestinian civilians on purpose. Is that really what you want to advocate?

No. You have been engaging in political propaganda and tried to get an answer that I support Israel but that's not true. I don't support either of them as they have committed terrible crimes.

You're only lying to yourself as I said earlier. There is nobody here who makes such noise apart from you. Others can clearly see what it has been said. The thread is made for another purpose and not to give support for Israel or Hamas or whoever is behind them.

Proportional response means proportional response and not to annihilate Gaza and kill thousands of Palestinians (mostly will be civilians anyway).

originally posted by: WorldxGonexMad
a reply to: Muldar

How many years this war been going on now???

2000 years or what?

Hell, they probably like each other by now, despite all the shooting and bombing.
They give each other purpose, something to do, and some familiar faces to look for each day.
The Pals don’t have much else to do. They sure aren’t wasting their time putting in irrigation or electricity or roads like those silly Israelis.