The Worlds Departure From Organized Religion

I think it is mostly in the west,mostly in the American continent.There is a lot of firm belief in the Muslim world. But what I think is that it will evolve into, sadly, mostly political ideologies or at the least the belief systems that will be evolved into will be heavily turned into political capital. It is not nice because it will be turned into a means to control the masses from the little activists to the , for example, economic ideologies like free market and socialism .

I hardly believe the evolution from religion to secularism or whatever is spawned there ,is not being orchestrated by the elites. The masses will still get their bread and their circus,divided and conquered.

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: TheValeyard

originally posted by: imitator
It's possible those polls are pushing a narrative.

it's always been this way. "The younger you are, the less likely you are to associate with an organized religion." They just left out the 2nd part, "The older you are, the more likely you are to associate with an organized religion."

Also, there are always demographic shifts and changes that influence the religious landscape. Some religious communities are growing, offsetting declines in others. Especially with immigration in the US, those people are usually more religious than most Americans... and they are coming in by the millions.

You're misunderstanding why that is.
People are moving away from religion with every generation.
And good for them!

It's true generally speaking but not for all religions and geographical areas on this planet. Take for example the religion of Islam.

Middle East: Are people losing their religion?

Jennifer Holleis -- 02/04/2021 February 4, 2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion. www.dw.com...

That could be true but it's different to abandoning their religion.

The "information hwy" of factual information is probably the #1 cause of losing your religion.

And this information is available to every person on the planet.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: TheValeyard

originally posted by: imitator
It's possible those polls are pushing a narrative.

it's always been this way. "The younger you are, the less likely you are to associate with an organized religion." They just left out the 2nd part, "The older you are, the more likely you are to associate with an organized religion."

Also, there are always demographic shifts and changes that influence the religious landscape. Some religious communities are growing, offsetting declines in others. Especially with immigration in the US, those people are usually more religious than most Americans... and they are coming in by the millions.

You're misunderstanding why that is.
People are moving away from religion with every generation.
And good for them!

It's true generally speaking but not for all religions and geographical areas on this planet. Take for example the religion of Islam.

Middle East: Are people losing their religion?

Jennifer Holleis -- 02/04/2021 February 4, 2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion. www.dw.com...

That could be true but it's different to abandoning their religion.

The "information hwy" of factual information is probably the #1 cause of losing your religion.

And this information is available to every person on the planet.

Information and knowledge are indeed serious problems for organised religions.

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Maximus3

originally posted by: TheValeyard

originally posted by: imitator
It's possible those polls are pushing a narrative.

it's always been this way. "The younger you are, the less likely you are to associate with an organized religion." They just left out the 2nd part, "The older you are, the more likely you are to associate with an organized religion."

Also, there are always demographic shifts and changes that influence the religious landscape. Some religious communities are growing, offsetting declines in others. Especially with immigration in the US, those people are usually more religious than most Americans... and they are coming in by the millions.

You're misunderstanding why that is.
People are moving away from religion with every generation.
And good for them!

It's true generally speaking but not for all religions and geographical areas on this planet. Take for example the religion of Islam.

Middle East: Are people losing their religion?

Jennifer Holleis -- 02/04/2021 February 4, 2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion. www.dw.com...

That could be true but it's different to abandoning their religion.

The "information hwy" of factual information is probably the #1 cause of losing your religion.

And this information is available to every person on the planet.

Information and knowledge are indeed serious problems for organised religions.

Circular can only go so far:

How do you know?
The bible says so.
The bible was written by man.
Inspired by God
How do you know?
The bible says so.

To underscore that this has been an ongoing trend from before the rise of internet, in 1970, Paris Sunday newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche wrote the following, under the headline “18,000 Derelict Churches”:

“Eighteen thousand churches, chapels and oratories in France have been or are about to be abandoned. This frightening figure was disclosed by Monsieur Michelet during the TV program ‘Facing the Press.’

“This means that sooner or later over half of the places of worship in France are doomed to dilapidation and plundering. Not since the Wars of Religion [1562-1598], if then, have the churches suffered so much. Never a week goes by without one hearing of a church being closed and either converted for some profane use . . . or falling into disrepair and even being plundered. This is happening more and more frequently.

“In some depopulated villages, abandoned churches have been looted by passersby or specialized gangs. In the little Basses-Alpes village of Clignon-Haut, children were found to be dressing up in magnificent eighteenth-century embroidered copes [ecclesiastical vestments] left in the vestry.”​—January 18, 1970.

As mentioned before (in my previous comment), general disgust with the part played by the traditional religions in the wars and conflicts between and within the nations was one of the factors alienating the people from the churches. Speaking in Geneva, Switzerland, Eugene Blake, general secretary of the World Council of Churches, admitted this, saying:

“Religions do not always contribute to peace, and we have witnessed the frightful consequences of modern religious fanaticism linked with capitalism, colonialism, white racialism and ancient feudal or tribal customs. Let us face it, relations between India and Pakistan have been worsened rather than improved by the religious factor. Nor has religion’s role in Northern Ireland brought consolation to Catholics and Protestants.”​—Le Monde, April 2, 1970.

Since Eastern religions and the churches of Christendom have failed the people religiously and have even contributed to unrest and wars, it is understandable that they should reap what they have sown. The closing down of many of their churches is a sign that their days are numbered. Soon God will punish them for their crimes. (Read Revelation chapter 18, where the world empire of false religion is symbolically called “Babylon the great.”)


Babylon's “waters” (the people that are under its influence) are drying up. “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.* [Or “languages.”]” (Revelation 17:15)

Just like it was for the literal city Babylon when it was conquered by the Medes and Persians (who diverted the rivers that functioned as a natural defense for Babylon), as Jeremiah prophecied 2 centuries before when he said: “There is a devastation on her waters, and they will be dried up.” (Jeremiah 50:38)

a reply to: whereislogic

It's great that nonsense is dying out. The problem is that humans will replace it with some other equally ridiculous belief system.

Got to love those churches with, " magnificent eighteenth-century embroidered copes ".

a reply to: midicon

The literal plundering mentioned by the Paris newspaper fits these bolded parts in this prophecy about Babylon the Great/false religion quite well:

“Also, the merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full cargo anymore, a full cargo of gold, silver, precious stones, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, and scarlet cloth; and everything made from scented wood; and every sort of object made from ivory, and from precious wood, copper, iron, and marble; also cinnamon, Indian spice, incense, perfumed oil, frankincense, wine, olive oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle, sheep, horses, carriages, slaves, and human lives.* [Or “souls.”] [ Yes, the fine fruit that you* [Or “your soul.”] desired has left you, and all the delicacies and the splendid things have vanished from you, never to be found again.

“The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, saying: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen, purple, and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments, precious stones, and pearls, because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’” (Revelation 18:11-17)

“And the ten horns that you saw and the wild beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her devastated and naked, and they will eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire.” (Revelation 17:16)

Making her devastated and naked, eating up her flesh, is talking about the same subject spoken of in Revelation 18:11-17, taking away her wealth and luxury (as well as the support of those providing that wealth, they will stand at a distance letting it happen because they probably don't want to be a target too, "because of their fear of her torment", they don't want to end up in the same boat because of standing up for her/the prostitute/Babylon the Great; and as mentioned before, the "waters", the people that donate to Churches, will also dry up, so that source of income is also dwindling). Technically, the expressions used at Revelation 17:16 encompasses more than what I just described (especially the 'eating up her flesh' bit, so that all that's left is an empty carcass of what once was, and that carcass gets burned with fire for good measure, so we're also talking about members leaving these religions and whatever else makes up the substance of a religion, such as churches and temples being abandoned and plundered), but that's a big part of it.

a reply to: whereislogic

Rambling vague nonsense prophecies can fit a lot of things 'quite well'. It's hard for me to believe people believe this stuff. What hope is there for humanity when we are still superstitious primitives?

You seem intelligent and well read, yet here you are, totally brainwashed having bought the whole narrative. I daresay had you been raised somewhere else you would believe some other narrative.

There are those that support and 'laud' religions by extolling the particular virtues they teach. The downside is never mentioned and when it all goes awry it's blamed on misinterpretation or some such.

I don't believe in any of it. It's a dreadful affair. We fill our children's heads with gobbledygook, no wonder the world's in a mess. I have new neighbours. I see them heading down to church every Sunday morning with the kids and they seem like nice people. Nice people, yet so blind that they indoctrinate their own children. You couldn't make this stuff up. I'm living in an open air asylum.

Your 'lot' don't come around the doors here that I've seen but they do send a mailed, handwritten letter once a year. I've received some from a woman called Laura, all lovely and personal lol.

a reply to: Crespius

And thus the Lord's Departure from America..............(

Teach the children always makes sense; Preach the children doesn't.

originally posted by: crowf00t
Teach the children always makes sense; Preach the children doesn't.

I like that, it makes sense!

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: whereislogic

It's hard for me to believe people believe this stuff.

When you seriously consider the possibility of a being that has built up thousands of years of experience in deceiving humanity (using false religion as one of his main tools), it begins to make a lot of sense that he would be able to get so many to believe his superstitious myths/false stories and lies. Then it's no longer so 'hard to believe'.

You seem intelligent and well read, yet here you are, totally brainwashed having bought the whole narrative.

I've always found it telling that so many people here on ATS (or other conspiracy websites) are wary of brainwashing, indoctrination and the mainstream media, yet their opinions, argumentation and reasoning, as expressed in their commentary, is always inline with what I would view as 'mainstream' (their minds being molded by this system of things is the way I would describe it; it follows the pattern as set out by the ruler of this world and according to what the Bible refers to as "the spirit of the world"*).

*: Spirit of the World (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

Definition: The impelling force that influences human society made up of those who are not servants of Jehovah God, causing such people to say and do things according to a characteristic pattern. Although people act on individual preferences, those who manifest the spirit of the world give evidence of certain basic attitudes, ways of doing things, and aims in life that are common to the present system of things of which Satan is ruler and god.

... It is a spirit of selfishness and pride that is so pervasive that it is like the air that humans breathe. ...

...

What are some of the characteristics of the spirit of the world against which we need to be on guard?

...

Doing what a person wants to do, without regard for the will of God

...

“And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;” “We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. For although by now* [Lit., “in view of the time.”] you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Col 2:8; Hebrews 5:11-14)

Atheism, agnosticism, false religion, scientism (and the often accompanying philosophical naturalism and/or evolutionary philosophies), all are 'mainstream'. The arguments and way of reasoning promoted by its loudest proponents, some of which you've already expressed*, are also rather popular in the entertainment media. (*: like the "I daresay had you been raised somewhere else you would believe some other narrative", is a very popular point brought up by prominent atheists and agnostics like Richard Dawkins and the like.) The promotion of these ways of thinking in the entertainment industry, is as prominent as their promotion of "The Message" (woke ideology, which also falls inline with the spirit of the world as promoted by Satan, this time under the false/counterfeit banner of anti-racism and anti-discrimination and counterfeit tolerance and inclusiveness; the reality being that the most hardened woke propagandists are not that tolerant of or inclusive to alternative viewpoints or lifestyles at all (edit: alternative to what they approve of, especially when it's true and contradicts the viewpoints they approve of or proves them to be wrong, or exposes their approved lifestyles as being unapproved and even deemed "wicked" by God and a source of and cause for human suffering), and they are very discriminative in their casting and writing choices in order to tick their diversity boxes and promote what the Bible describes as immoral, or "of the world", worldly).

The things being warned for in the Bible texts quoted before the paragraph above, I see playing out (demonstrated, affecting people) on ATS on a daily basis. This is part of the evidence for me that I should be paying attention to the Bible's warnings as to what's really going on in this world, and which conspiracy I really should be waking up to (unlike the conpiracies usually warned for on this site or in the so-called "Truth Movement"). The man in the video below makes some interesting points about the so-called "Truth Movement" (as well as an aversion to the Bible he talks about as being the result of conditioning by this system of things, the same aversion to "beneficial teaching" spoken of in 2 Timothy 4:3,4, the 2nd quotation above). Key points about this aversion to the Bible after 5:09:

When you seriously consider the possibility of a being that has built up thousands of years of experience in deceiving humanity (using false religion as one of his main tools), it begins to make a lot of sense that he would be able to get so many to believe his superstitious myths/false stories and lies. Then it's no longer so 'hard to believe'.

There is no 'being' that has lived for thousands of years. Unless of course that 'being' is an organisation like the Christian church. Which of course has used its own version of religion as its main tool to get so many to believe in superstitious myths, false stories and lies. I don't believe in any of them.

You are full of nonsense. If you are spreading this in real life, you should be ashamed of yourself. Posting bible quotes means absolutely nothing to me. I find it insulting.

originally posted by: midicon

When you seriously consider the possibility of a being that has built up thousands of years of experience in deceiving humanity (using false religion as one of his main tools), it begins to make a lot of sense that he would be able to get so many to believe his superstitious myths/false stories and lies. Then it's no longer so 'hard to believe'.

There is no 'being' that has lived for thousands of years. Unless of course that 'being' is an organisation like the Christian church. Which of course has used its own version of religion as its main tool to get so many to believe in superstitious myths, false stories and lies. I don't believe in any of them.

You are full of nonsense. If you are spreading this in real life, you should be ashamed of yourself. Posting bible quotes means absolutely nothing to me. I find it insulting.

whereislogic is quite correct in what he replied to you. But you are correct as well. In fact I wrote a thread about it not to long ago titled: The Man of Lawlessness. This false class of Christians, Jesus referred to as weeds, was prophesied to arise and it was done by Satan the Devil when he sowed the weed among the wheat of genuine anointed Christians.

There is no doubt that Satan is real. And as Revelation 12:9 tells us has mislead the entire inhabited earth.

originally posted by: midicon

Posting bible quotes means absolutely nothing to me. I find it insulting.

Have you heard what the guy in the video had to say about this conditioned response to the Bible and its teachings? Isn't it a little 'excessive'* to feel insulted by mere quotations from a book that 'means nothing to you'? (*: overly sensitive? I'm looking for the right word here that expresses 'being quick to take offense', we have a special saying for it in Dutch which I can't quite translate, the website bab.la suggests the term "huffy")

I don't think your commentary or argumentation provides a good reason to think it's nonsense, when you demonstrate exactly the aversion to the Bible and its "beneficial teaching" (2Tim 4:3,4) that I and the guy in the video were talking about in response to bringing it up (and Paul at 2 Tim 4:3,4). That's more ironic to me than an indicator that I'm "full of nonsense" (or the Bible for that matter, or more specifically, these warnings in the Bible, warnings that describe the greatest and oldest, or longest-lasting, conspiracy ever).

So thanks for demonstrating (underscoring) the point I was making I guess?

Here's another Bible quotation speaking about the same aversion to the "beneficial teaching" that Bible truths (symbolic "light") provide, as well as the reason why this feeling is so easily conditioned into so many people:

“Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men* [Or “people.”] have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved.* [Or “exposed.”] But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.” (John 3:19-21)

Spot on, as usual. When it comes to describing human psychology, in my opinion, there simply is no more educational or insightful book than the Bible. And even those who don't wanna hear it, still deserve to know how they're being played by "the ruler of this world" (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11) and "god of this system of things." (2Cor 4:4)

originally posted by: randomuser2034

originally posted by: midicon

When you seriously consider the possibility of a being that has built up thousands of years of experience in deceiving humanity (using false religion as one of his main tools), it begins to make a lot of sense that he would be able to get so many to believe his superstitious myths/false stories and lies. Then it's no longer so 'hard to believe'.

There is no 'being' that has lived for thousands of years. Unless of course that 'being' is an organisation like the Christian church. Which of course has used its own version of religion as its main tool to get so many to believe in superstitious myths, false stories and lies. I don't believe in any of them.

You are full of nonsense. If you are spreading this in real life, you should be ashamed of yourself. Posting bible quotes means absolutely nothing to me. I find it insulting.

whereislogic is quite correct in what he replied to you. But you are correct as well. In fact I wrote a thread about it not to long ago titled: The Man of Lawlessness. This false class of Christians, Jesus referred to as weeds, was prophesied to arise and it was done by Satan the Devil when he sowed the weed among the wheat of genuine anointed Christians.

There is no doubt that Satan is real. And as Revelation 12:9 tells us has mislead the entire inhabited earth.

Uh, NO.

No God, No Jesus, No Devil.

a reply to: Annee

Prove it.

It's easy to pick on Christians but go ahead and tell a Viking he's not going to Vallhala when he dies.

Go tell the Buddhists that Nirvana is a lie and unattainable.

Go crush everyone's belief system because you're a nilihilist buzzkill.

Force your nonbelief on others and demand they renounce their beliefs because you want them to embrace your own.

Atheism is a belief system like any other.

Yours is just depressing and futile.

originally posted by: midicon
Posting bible quotes means absolutely nothing to me. I find it insulting.

Think of it this way (first read my previous response to the above), if the conditioning* or 'molding' (Rom 12:2) the Bible is warning for and I and the guy in the video are elaborating on, wasn't really happening (in this system of things), would it not be more logical to expect that it simply means nothing to you (as you described it in the first part above), rather than that it would also invoke the feeling of being insulted when someone merely quotes something from the Bible for your benefit? (*: against "beneficial teaching", spiritual "light" and righteousness and for or in favor of "false stories"/falsehoods, i.e. misleading and harmful teaching that favors unrighteousness and spiritual "darkness")

Perhaps it does even more to you than you would be willing to admit, perhaps even invoke the feeling of the hairs on the back of your neck standing up when someone quotes the Bible to you, feeling immediate disdain for the person in question, viewing them as being brainwashed and not worth listening to, even dangerous to listen to or take serious. Causing you to disregard or be dismissive of anything they might want to warn you of concerning this very subject (using Bible quotations to do so, the reason for your dismissive attitude, wouldn't that play right into the cards of someone who would not want you to take such warnings from the Bible seriously, warning that are about him and his global conspiracy or worldwide deception? Just a hypothetical question if you were willing to consider the scenario, which you have already somewhat indicated you are probably unwilling to consider in any sort of serious fashion, given your commentary so far, but who knows, maybe you are now or will be one day).

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
a reply to: Annee

Prove it.

It's easy to pick on Christians but go ahead and tell a Viking he's not going to Vallhala when he dies.

Go tell the Buddhists that Nirvana is a lie and unattainable.

Go crush everyone's belief system because you're a nilihilist buzzkill.

Force your nonbelief on others and demand they renounce their beliefs because you want them to embrace your own.

Atheism is a belief system like any other.

Yours is just depressing and futile.

I was raised Christian. Even considered being a minister.

First, I needed proof of Jesus. I researched for several years. There isn't any.

There is zero proof he even existed. (Do not give me the Circular Bible argument).

The moment I stepped completely out of the "God Circle" I had an epiphany. "I was responsible for me".

It was enlightening. No excuses. No "Go To" guy. Just Me and My choices. What I can leave to this world.

Christian's live to die -- seriously. Their whole life is making God happy for a reward at the end.

a reply to: Annee

It's a death cult.