Noahs Ark and the Biblical World Wide Flood Never Happened

If you put Ice into a glass of water,
Then wait for it to melt.. guess what?

It won't over flow.
No flood.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
And of course we get to the bottom line - the whole purpose of the flood allegedly was for God to rid the world of evil people. Obviously it did not work. So either God is incompetent OR ... the Biblical Noahs Ark flood never happened.

Jesus, don't lose your freaking faith over heathens like me existing... let us be damned. We don't care, seriously.

The biblical happened. There were exiled jews taken to Iraq. Nebuchadnezzar was a rular that had a big powerful tower. The foundation still exists. There really were Persians that came and toppled the king of Babylon, Jews really were granted a return to Zion, and a second temple was really built.

All the while; preexilic, exilic, and post exilic old Testament books were written..

The thing about the Pentateuch is, it WASNT WRITTEN FIRST. Far from it. Written under Persia likely a product of The Second Temple itself. Around 400 BCE.

It was mostly political to claim land provenance and incorporated several new influences from Persian oratory myth. Total RETCON of history to that point. Genesis was BS, Exodus never happened. What did occur was EGYPT WAS IN CANAAN. There are Egyptian remnants all over Israel up to Jordan and Syria.

Then came a series of events that caused The Egyptian empire to collapse back across the Sinai around 1400-1200 BCE. Financial woes, famine woes, drought woes, WAR WITH EVERYONE WOES, disease woes, really bad luck. The stuff of plagues. Or to be written about as plagues in a new context. So overwhelming it made Canaan stick out as chosen land.

Egypt withdraws, and the former subjects of the Pharaoh became Phoenicians (risen from the ashes), or the southern sibling culture and language, Hebrews, who really didnt solidify their mythology yet. Technically it diverged from monolatrous forms of Canaanite and other Mesopotamian myth.

It goes from there. They warped the stories, yes. The Hebrews added Moses and great stories that never happened. The added a bizarre history with absurd ages for early humans to fill in what they felt was the entirety of history. And told them as moral parable to escape being called out by other histories. Worked at the time.

Doesn't mean that the horrid oversights of prescience times, and the ridiculous story, should make one abandon the parable version. There's no constant armegeddon paranoia in the parable version either.

* Archeology - The merging of religion and geoscience.

If you really want to see the real ark of Gilgamesh (we’ll they built a copy) YouTube “Irving Finkel the ark before Noah” an hour long documentary.

a reply to: Degradation33

The flood eventually ended and there were no platypuses. After some time Carpet Snake observed the existence of platypus.

There's the similarity. Floods don't work to rid the world of undesirables.

Fire though, that might.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

What would be the opposite of that?
Geological and climate events don't just happen abruptly and if they do they leave a lot more evidence than the Mish mash that guys like Graham Hancock has woven together.

Probably a Catastrophist.

Did someone mention Hancock in this thread?

a reply to: FlyersFan

Actually, there is.

Huge Underground Reservoir Holds Three Times as Much Water as Earth’s Oceans
www.pbs.org...

Another link:
Massive ocean discovered beneath the Earth’s crust containing more water than on the surface
arabamericannews.com...

a reply to: Whatchful

Yeah... it's "water" in that it's called that..

It's under IMMENSE pressure and heat. It's essentially deconstructed...

The weight of 250 miles of solid rock creates such high pressure, along with temperatures above 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, that a water molecule splits to form a hydroxyl radical (OH), which can be bound into a mineral's crystal structure.

That mineral is usually a magnesium silicate called ringwoodite, which is a high pressure form of olivine. It's an "ocean" of deconstructed water absorbed by solid crystals.

This is the pressure and depth carbon turns to diamond.

The transition zone could literally be an ocean of diamonds and ringwoodite, with magma helping cycle water back to the surface. Lot of phase change happens.

It centers around olivine formed from high-silica volcanic basalt, getting dragged to the mantle with water, becoming ringwoodite, and then getting brought back to the surface through volcanism..

Here is a great article on how the deep water/ringwoodite cycle works.

letstalkscience.ca...

a reply to: Klassified

No, but I can guarantee he popularized the younger dyras period. No one ever mentioned it until his little documentary surfaced on Netflix.

Anyway, I said people like him, not specifically him.

a reply to: pthena

Meh earth will be dead long before the sun goes red giant.

By Ultima Pangea (250 million years) we are already mostly dead. A few hearty animals near the poles. The general consensus is we are transitioning towards the end of habitability anyway.

We have maybe 150 million years left of comfort.

Hopefully we'll have interstellar transport ships by that point.

www.science.org...

Earth would suffer this "runaway greenhouse" in 600 million to 700 million years. Earth will suffer some preliminary effects leading up to that, too. After just 150 million years, the researchers found, the stratosphere will warm enough to let some water vapor reach high in the sky, where solar radiation will break it down into molecules that can escape to space. In this "moist greenhouse," the planet would be too hot for complex surface life, but a few hardy marine organisms and microbes could soldier on.

originally posted by: [post=27162714]Whatchful[/post
Actually, there is.

There isn't enough water underground and in the atmosphere to cover the Earths surface to above Mt. Everest. I gave the information previously.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Descriptions of a killer global flood that inundated the inhabited lands of the world turn up everywhere amongst the myths of antiquity. In many cases these myths clearly hint that the deluge swept away an advanced civilization that had somehow angered the gods, sparing 'none but the unlettered and the uncultured' and obliging the survivors to 'begin again like children in complete ignorance of what happened ... in early times'. Such stories turn up in Vedic India, in the pre-Columbian Americas, in ancient Egypt. They were told by the Sumerians, the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Arabs and the Jews. They were repeated in China and south-east Asia, in prehistoric northern Europe and across the Pacific. Almost universally, where truly ancient traditions have been preserved, even amongst mountain peoples and desert nomads, vivid descriptions have been passed down of global floods in which the majority of mankind perished.”

originally posted by: ADSE255
If you put Ice into a glass of water,
Then wait for it to melt.. guess what?

It won't over flow.
No flood.

Adding ice to water, however, increases the water volume.
The ice on glaciers like the Laurentide were sitting on land. When the ice broke free, and when it melted, it certainly increased the the worlds water column. You are probably citing one of Tyson's tales, which applies to ice already floating in water.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It was a flood of electric currents from the sun and moon that destroyed all life on earth when Heaven cracked.

Think of how a dry ice bomb works. That’s how the crack happened.

There is literally tonnes of evidence for this.

Look up the Libyan glass fields. That’s Heaven’s shattered glass. You can even buy a little piece of Heaven (Libyan glass) as a souvenir.

a reply to: nugget1

Carbon dating of bones is inaccurate.

It assumes a constant rate of decay.

The rate of decay sped up rapidly, as a result of the flood of solar and lunar winds that killed all life, when a hole cracked in Heaven which was caused by increasing pressure, which was caused by too much CO2 in the atmosphere.

a reply to: nugget1

Thank you nugget, I've wanted to read this.

I think there may have been a flood that effected a large are as the fossil record and written word show but not global and the only way an ark that achieved what Noah's ark was purported to have done it woul take an advanced civilization and it would be the DNA samples from a male and female of every species. Though this would still be quite an undertaking and says nothing for either hermaphroditic nor asexual creatures.

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: FlyersFan

It was a flood of electric currents from the sun and moon that destroyed all life on earth when Heaven cracked.

Think of how a dry ice bomb works. That’s how the crack happened.

There is literally tonnes of evidence for this.

Look up the Libyan glass fields. That’s Heaven’s shattered glass. You can even buy a little piece of Heaven (Libyan glass) as a souvenir.

There is no electrical event associated with Libyan desert glass. The latest scientific papers on it prove it was caused by an extremely powerful airburst of a meteorite:

Zircons in the glass preserved evidence of the former presence of a high-pressure mineral named reidite, which only forms during a meteorite impact,”

Science News

a reply to: FlyersFan

The great flood has actually NEVER been disproven that is just an opinion that has been spread as the truth by a group that want that to be the case but sadly it has become consensus especially with schools teaching children that it is a fairy tale.

However have you ever seen the upright tree stumps that are straddling strata often said to be millions of years old or heard of the log mat theory for the formation of coal seams.

As for radioactive dating that too is fallible especially if the so called laws of the universe are NOT fixed but actually fluid.
www.youtube.com...@IsGenesisHistory/videos

Rapid formation of Coal, objects that are man made found in Coal seams so called Ooparts out of place objects.

Etc.

You see it has actually NEVER been disproven and that statement is only an opinion that has been shoved down the throats of so many children, a fact that not only convinces them that God is not real takes away the foundation of there society, harms social morality and even undermines the foundation of family values.

Of course there ARE certain sects and cults that WANT to destroy religion in the west one in particular that thinks that the likes of Voltaire was correct when in fact he was just another weirdo.

Soft tissue found in Dino bones another one.

As for Noah's ark there may be more than one, perhaps reality's merged or perhaps there was more than ONE flood or Noah had multiple ship's but there is the one that Turkey has build a visitor centre for the petrified ark that was pushed up out of the ground in an earth quake, matches the biblical dimensions but is only the hull but some want to explain it away as a natural formation, there is one found in ice on Ararat that has actually had a film crew inside of it and two more that may be the same one or point to at least TWO arks being on Ararat itself, one seen and recorded many times spoken of by the local Armenian population who the Turks tried to wipe out during the Armenian holocaust and that sadly have mostly been displaces and replaced by Kurds since that time.
noahsark.it...

The Russian revolution caused the loss of photos and evidence from an actual Imperial Russian expedition to visit that same ark.

Another almost identical was seen by a US engineer when a Turkish taxi drive in the area took him to visit the site, it was in a valley and described exactly like Hagopians account but had fallen from much higher and broken in two though it was still high on the mountain but otherwise matched the earlier description perfectly.

An astronaut James Irwin spent his last years searching for the Ark as well and he whom was also a scientist truly believed in it.

For my personal point I believe it was real and I also believe that there are those that want us to NOT believe in it.

It is no Childs fairy tale but actual truth.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: St Udio
does not the Genesis account say the 'heavens' opened up and deep springs of water welled up from the Earth...

Yes, but the information I gave in the opening post shows that there isn't enough water under the Earth or in the atmosphere to fill the Earth as much as Genesis claims - above all the mountain tops.

so... some 29,000 feet of water rained down from the 'heavens'...& i dont mean our rain-cloud saturated atmosphere...

God pulled a 'Supernnatural' Cosmic ploy on Earthmen by causing space borne H2O to deluge the planet ... could both Mars and Earth been hit by the same cosmic molecular cloud that was saturated with water and water-ice?
long before this Era's Genesis account we are focusing on in this thread at from 2000BCE-12000bce

. i'm talking millions of years ago when Mars had Seas for a brief million or so years and Earth had a Global Flood


Mars, having lost all that water left us viewers on Earth a 'snapshot' of planet condition with low errosion as its water returned to space rather quickly
but one hemisphere of Mars faced the brunt force of the cosmic rain (or Wall of Water) as Mars orbited the Sun as usual

imo quit wasting time looking for Arks but do study the overlooked Mars Flood Epic that preceeded the Earth Flood by days or weeks or months

We were doing an excerise in school where we were supposed to think outside of the box. I said "What if the Ark was a spaceship?"

My 6th grade teacher Sr Kevin lost it when I brought it up to Father Bolger at Friday Religion class.

a reply to: charlyv

See? Evidence of high pressure mineral supports my Heaven’s glass cracking position.

But thousands of tonnes of glass spread over an 80 by 30 mile oval is certainly no meteorite.

Never heard of a glass meteorite.

The sun and moon, being lesser and greater lights, are certainly an electrical phenomenon.