New Washington Post/ABC Poll Shows Trump Leading Biden by 10 Percentage Points

a reply to: Muldar

I wonder how many polls have to show President Trump in the lead before hardcore Biden supporters stop using the word outlier?

a reply to: Saloon

However, they are probably noticing that everything they do, just elevates him higher in the polls.

I would say that this 10 point margin is NOT an outlier, but is a result of many black males beginning to identify with Trumps persecution. He is becoming one of them. LOL

I expected this poll result when I saw a bunch of recent YTubes about the black male shift.

I don't even think Mike Obama will bring them back.

a reply to: nugget1

Ranked choice or maybe just having a runoff election sounds good to me.
Do your protest vote and then get real.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: putnam6

Rank Choice Voting is what turned Alaska blue-and the majority of Alaskans are dead set against it.

Rank choice voting is worse than allowing every illegal in the country to vote, and makes Dominion machines look like obsolete tech.

LOL I think we have discussed that before if the left could get that passed in other states I'm sure they would

Not sure if RCV is in battleground states though. I don't like how it's used but it is mostly for in-state elections, isn't it? I think Alaska and Maine are the only one that uses it

ballotpedia.org...(RCV)

My limited understanding is the changes in voting laws brought on by COVID and it being such a contentious election was too much for legislators in the BG states to ignore. Thus unless those laws were rescinded we will face the same manipulations

Let's not forget big money was floating around too, no telling who what where, and how Sam Bankman Fried bankrolled campaigns. Certainly, most of them were Democrats though. Still, the election was close as hell.

With poll numbers as they are and Harris's support from the DNC being lukewarm at best, it's going to be interesting as hell to see what conspires.

Some people forget how much COVID influenced the election too, I am damn sure barring COVID BS and ridiculous shutdowns social distancing, and vaccines right or wrong Trump would have won in 2020, even with his warp-speed vaccine
program which at that point was damned if you do and damned if you don't.

It wasn't just because he was so popular with his base either, he was let down by RINO Republicans a hostile media that has been obnoxiously soft on the current administration and they still can't shake him.

There is some thought that the Democrats did this to themselves, the obviousness of their attacks and the partnership with the RINOs, solidified Trump's base whereas sooner or later he would have done something egregious all on his own.

The data, released Sunday, showed 62% of Democrats or Democrat-leaning respondents want someone other than Biden as the 2024 nominee, while 33% back him.

That's the important one.

The poll has even been rejected by the pollsters.

The Post notes, however, that the poll's wide margin for Trump finding does not match other recent polling, suggesting it is an outlier.

More stories about people criticizing it actually.

Most polls actually have pretty much any Republican candidate tied or slightly ahead of Biden in a hypothetical election. A few have Trump trailing. Usually about 1 to 4 percentage points either way.

But Biden isnt the real candidate for the democrats, that's Amdt14.S3.1.

"The DNC nominates Amendment Fouteen, Section Three of the Constitution in 2024"

Just gotta get it proven and Trump convicted in time... just like they've always been able to.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

I would say that this 10 point margin is NOT an outlier, but is a result of many black males beginning to identify with Trumps persecution. He is becoming one of them. LOL

Mark Levin and Dan Bongino both have been saying this was happening so
good observation. And even more reason for the democrats to lose their
freygin minds. Mark my words they will stop at nothing to keep Trump out.
And in a panic if they find out they can't cheat? They may do something really
really stupid at that point and then...

originally posted by: Degradation33

The data, released Sunday, showed 62% of Democrats or Democrat-leaning respondents want someone other than Biden as the 2024 nominee, while 33% back him.

That's the important one.

The poll has even been rejected by the pollsters.

The Post notes, however, that the poll's wide margin for Trump finding does not match other recent polling, suggesting it is an outlier.

More stories about people criticizing it actually.

Most polls actually have pretty much any Republican candidate tied or slightly ahead of Biden in a hypothetical election. A few have Trump trailing. Usually about 1 to 4 percentage points either way.

But Biden isnt the real candidate for the democrats, that's Amdt14.S3.1.

"The DNC nominates Amendment Fouteen, Section Three of the Constitution in 2024"

Just gotta get it proven and Trump convicted in time...

You may want to reject the poll or assert that the poll has been rejected by the 'higher authorities' bit that's nothing more than a range of left wing desperate attempts to justify the big difference in this specific poll.

You may want to refresh your memory on what the polls were saying and what was expected prior to the 2016 elections. Hillary was the winner everywhere but the reality of the result debunked the left wing fantasies.

Nobody cares what the left wing pollsters say and/or the woke brigade.

It looks like they're having nightmares again and start to feel very uncomfortable as the elections approach. Panicking again.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Muldar

I wonder how many polls have to show President Trump in the lead before hardcore Biden supporters stop using the word outlier?

That's a really good question but the reality is they know the result of the elections if Biden and Trump have a rematch. They're keen to replace him but I can't see a replacement at the moment.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: putnam6

Rank Choice Voting is what turned Alaska blue-and the majority of Alaskans are dead set against it.

Rank choice voting is worse than allowing every illegal in the country to vote, and makes Dominion machines look like obsolete tech.

LOL I think we have discussed that before if the left could get that passed in other states I'm sure they would

Not sure if RCV is in battleground states though. I don't like how it's used but it is mostly for in-state elections, isn't it? I think Alaska and Maine are the only one that uses it

ballotpedia.org...(RCV)

My limited understanding is the changes in voting laws brought on by COVID and it being such a contentious election was too much for legislators in the BG states to ignore. Thus unless those laws were rescinded we will face the same manipulations

Let's not forget big money was floating around too, no telling who what where, and how Sam Bankman Fried bankrolled campaigns. Certainly, most of them were Democrats though. Still, the election was close as hell.

With poll numbers as they are and Harris's support from the DNC being lukewarm at best, it's going to be interesting as hell to see what conspires.

Some people forget how much COVID influenced the election too, I am damn sure barring COVID BS and ridiculous shutdowns social distancing, and vaccines right or wrong Trump would have won in 2020, even with his warp-speed vaccine
program which at that point was damned if you do and damned if you don't.

It wasn't just because he was so popular with his base either, he was let down by RINO Republicans a hostile media that has been obnoxiously soft on the current administration and they still can't shake him.

There is some thought that the Democrats did this to themselves, the obviousness of their attacks and the partnership with the RINOs, solidified Trump's base whereas sooner or later he would have done something egregious all on his own.

It's not just the state level, it's at the local level. If you think about it the local level is what turns a state red or blue.
From 2018:



If one believes electronic voting allows for cheating, it would make it easy to outvote the peoples choice.

Comparison of Ranked Choice Voting Systems
Ballot Counting System Outcome Seats Elected at Once Counting Method Notable Examples
Alternative Vote (AV) Majoritarian 1 Candidates with fewest first preference votes are eliminated successively and their voters go to their next choices until one candidate has a majority.
Two Round – Majority Runoff Majoritarian 1 Candidates who are not in first or second place in total votes are eliminated in the first round. The second round includes only the top two candidates.
Two Round – Majority Plurality
Majoritarian 2+ Candidates who do not reach a certain threshold of votes are eliminated in the first round. The second round includes all candidates that met the threshold.
Preferential Block Vote or Multiple Transferable Vote (MTV) Majoritarian 2+ Candidates with the fewest first preference votes are eliminated successively and their voters go to their next choices until one candidate has a majority. The count is then repeated with the elected candidates removed until all seats are filled. Some local elections in Utah
Single Transferable Vote (STV) Proportional 2+ Candidates with fewest first preference votes are eliminated successively and their voters go to their next choices until all seats are filled. Some local elections in Massachusetts, Michigan, and California
[www.csg.org...]

From 2022:

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: Muldar

If you've been paying attention to recent elections you would understand why it's insane to think that Trump would leading with Gen-Z let alone by 20 points.

Maybe its more a function of protesting the Democrats rather than fully supporting the Republicans.

I know I would be a bit upset at the Democrats for having lied to me about paying off my student debt. And the oppressive inflation that is pausing my life.

The first time Trump was elected president it was an FU to the establishment that always promises big but delivered little. It could be happening again.

There is only so long genZers are going to live a life of austerity before they start getting angry with their chosen party’s leaders for not doing more to help them.

One thing about genZers is that they don't give an fudge about " "the order of things" ... they aren't willing to wait like older generation have.

originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
a reply to: nugget1Could you edit your post so it makes a little more sense please? Thanks a bunch.

Ranked choice or maybe just having a runoff election sounds good to me.
Do your protest vote and then get real.

Thanks for sharing. Perhaps your 'reality' is different than others in your 'all inclusive' bubble?

a reply to: Muldar

I withhold my judgement until 1 more poll (tracked by 538) confirms the findings. Rasmussen (my conservative goto) has Biden tanking to 25% in job approval. Among other events that have Trump scoring coups left and right... could NOT be an outlier.

ABC is a top rated pollster too, higher rated (by 538) than Gallup and Quinnipiac actually.

I want one more poll. The concurrent polls in the 15-20th range had different, closer results. Same America, same time frame.

One more, that's not asking too much. It's not like there is actually a polling enforcement division of the Liberal Media Gestapo saying, "You vill only release ze results that show Biden vill win."

a reply to: Degradation33

Funny you should mention Rasmussen. Their most recent poll has Biden leading.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Muldar

I withhold my judgement until 1 more poll (tracked by 538) confirms the findings. Rasmussen (my conservative goto) has Biden tanking to 25% in job approval. Among other events that have Trump scoring coups left and right... could NOT be an outlier.

ABC is a top rated pollster too, higher rated (by 538) than Gallup and Quinnipiac actually.

I want one more poll. The concurrent polls in the 15-20th range had different, closer results. Same America, same time frame.

One more, that's not asking too much. It's not like there is actually a polling enforcement division of the Liberal Media Gestapo, "You vill only release ze results that show Biden vill win."

You can do as you wish!
It looks like you're very concerned with the latest poll just like many on the left who can't believe (actually the do believe it and see it coming) Trump is likely to win the next presidential election.

Regardless of the exact numbers one poll is showing...

It is interesting that a man with indictments for fraud, espionage and election interference (not to mention responsible for insurrection and rape) is poling so close to the president who was elected in with the most votes in history.

a reply to: Muldar

I only believe what NPR, The Huffington Post, Slate, Vox, MSNBC, The New Yorker, The Daily Beast, The Daily Show, The Atlantic, and the New York Times have to say. I have been subsequently directed by that brainwashing to freak out go all hysterical at the thought of another Trump presidency.

For I cannot stop this, for I am but a suicidal swan built on my ideomotor conditioning and passed on trauma. I will only read liberal news, and parrot the most far left pundits, for to not do so removes me far from my comfort zone and makes me wallow in a world of anger that other opinions exist.

And if Trump wins, like OMG, I'm so gonna go out, and like totally protest and meltdown about the horrible mean fascist was just elected again. Like hashtag not my president. Because that's what the liberal media and left hath programmed me to do.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Muldar

I only believe what NPR, The Huffington Post, Slate, Vox, MSNBC, The New Yorker, The Daily Beast, The Daily Show, The Atlantic, and the New York Times have to say. I have been subsequently directed by that brainwashing to freak out go all hysterical at the thought of another Trump presidency.

For I cannot stop this, for I am but a suicidal swan built on my ideomotor conditioning and passed on trauma. I will only read liberal news, and parrot the most far left pundits, for to not do so removes me far from my comfort zone and makes me wallow in a world of antagonism towards other opinions existing.

And if Trump wins, like OMG, I'm so gonna go out, and like totally protest and meltdown about the horrible mean fascist was just elected again. Because that's what the liberal left hath programmed me to do.

Bla bla bla and word salad.

Please stop

a reply to: Muldar

I must have diffused the intent of the lead-up question...

I mean, first you use the copy/paste liberal antagonism weapon on me, and then when I happily give the PERFECT liberal response, you scoff at it... I don't get it.

Was I supposed to do something different?

Let's try this again... I'll do better this time.

Take two.

You can do as you wish!
It looks like you're very concerned with the latest poll just like many on the left who can't believe (actually the do believe it and see it coming) Trump is likely to win the next presidential election.

Trump is not going to win because he won't get to delay the trial past March and the following 7 months are more than enough time to finally expose him for everyone but the most devout followers to see. Like the trope movie sociopath that shows their true colors when it all finally falls apart. That's what's gonna happen... Not this fanciful ideal of Trump as some quasi-savior of Abrahamic something or other.

How was that one? Can you do anger better with that one? It is definitely more "mud-pit".

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: Muldar

I must have diffused the intent of the lead-up question...

I mean, first you use the copy/paste liberal antagonism weapon on me, and then when I happily give the PERFECT liberal response, you scoff at it... I don't get it.

Was I supposed to do something different?

Let's try this again... I'll do better this time.

You can do as you wish!
It looks like you're very concerned with the latest poll just like many on the left who can't believe (actually the do believe it and see it coming) Trump is likely to win the next presidential election.

Trump is not going to win because he won't get to delay the trial past March and the following 7 months are more than enough time to finally expose him for everyone but the most devout followers to see. Like the trope movie sociopath that shows their true colors when it all finally falls apart. That's what's gonna happen... Not this fanciful ideal of Trump as some quasi-savior of Abrahamic something or other.

How was that one? Can you do anger better with that one? It is definitely more "mud-pit".

I don't have an anger problem.
It looks like it's you who is bothered by this poll and tries to justify it on the basis it's an outlier. I mean it's ok with making attempts but how many polls you need to consider the real possibility Trump can win the next presidential election?

Can I remind you the polls showing Hillary Clinton winning and everyone was so confident there was no way Trump could make it.

a reply to: Muldar

I especially liked the "7 months is enough time to expose..." part, how long again have they been trying same so far?? 8+ years? Big Dairy does less milking than that.