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Official Rosswell crash retrieval report from 1947

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posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 05:46 PM
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The official crash retrieval report from the 1947 Rosswell crash.

The reports comes from the Majestic documents, which shows a series of top secret reports from the first crash retrieval program that took place in 1942 leading up to the Roswell crash and the formation of majestic 12 committee in 1948.









edit on 21-9-2023 by RedPanda94 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 06:09 PM
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link please?

or a few words of your own perhaps.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 06:56 PM
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Interesting. I admit I have only a moderate knowledge of all things roswell. Is this something new or just always been available?

I have to say, it is at least authentic "looking". The ability to hoax it is obviously not real issue today, but the general content and details of what was discussed is consistent with what would have been covered including some odd details, like who knew, people who should have access not being allowed, etc. that would be unusual for someone to make up in a story. Overall quality (typeset, etc.) consistent the time.

That said, this is exactly the kind of thing that could be entirely made up for a novel or some such.

Fun, but needs more pedigree.
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posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:16 PM
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Very interesting, several government officials being named here including Oppenheimer, von Braun, JFK and his father. Also interesting that parts of the craft are identified as propulsion and navigation. How would they come to that conclusion if it was really alien technology?
Five bodies were recovered in a damaged escape cylinder at LZ1 location, main craft located at LZ2. Seems the escape pod did not perform as intented.
More bodies were found at LZ1 that were already disected by unknown party, mentioned as most disturbing, which is kinda funny. That is the most disturbing of all of this?
Several MPs in charge of security had a nervous breakdowns and one poor soul even commited suicide. Three technicians died of exposure to something, yikes better put some gloves on next time.
Also they seem to be somewhat surprised security measures worked really well.
But it ends on a familiar note, probably Russia Russia Russia HOAX... those damn libtards. Carry on



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: Jubei42

It wasn't 100% clear to me that the dissected bodies were human, alien, or animal especially given the animal parts comment right after.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:32 PM
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Link to more commentary around the alleged “IPU” that is referenced in the OP’s document images:

exonews.org...



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:37 PM
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Fake.

Sandia wasn't a base. It is a National Laboratory residing at Kirtland, AFB in Albuquerque. I dont know what it was called in 1947 but it wasn't a base. Ive not known it to be involved in bio research either. Lovelace Clinic at Kirtland had some high tech medical equip during the Apollo project days and lunar missions. They worked with the astronauts. They also worked with the employees of a nuclear bio research lab way out on the base, to ensure nobody was exposed to lethal amts of plutonium that worked there.

Too many big famous names dropped.

It just doesn't ring true for me.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: VulcanWerks
Link to more commentary around the alleged “IPU” that is referenced in the OP’s document images:

exonews.org...


It also contains the link to this (OP) doc on that page majesticdocuments.com...
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posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:39 PM
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Obvious hoax

Someone playing with a photocopier , typewriter and pens

RedPanda94



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Halfswede

The way I'm reading this, is that these bodies were also alien. Maybe comrades of them that died at an earlier time since they were not located in the escape pod.
Same as the animal parts, just part of the cargo?



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: chris_stibrany
Obvious hoax

Someone playing with a photocopier , typewriter and pens

RedPanda94



I wish it wasn’t true, but, I’m fairly confident you’re right.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: RedPanda94

It looks pretty good.

I'm not sure what the military correspondence manual looked like back then.

But I know they always had 2 spaces following a period because of using typewriters. And I see that not adhered to. The indenting is excessive too.

That's not really conclusive of anything. Just what caught my eye compared to modern military correspondence.

And now I'm irritated at myself for noticing it after being retired for 2+ years.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: RedPanda94

If you ask me, this whole thing was an intentional psyOp to get people to look in the wrong direction, that is to say up.

Not saying it wasnt real!!! But the obvious flawed conclusions, assumptions, speculations, theories and suspicions were never set straight or corrected... even to this day!

"You cant handle the truth"....It is quite shocking how relevant the saying actually is to most of humanity!



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn




And now I'm irritated at myself for noticing it after being retired for 2+ years.

Don't be irritated . It's natural . A person's memory has planned obsolescence .
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posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Fake.

Sandia wasn't a base. It is a National Laboratory residing at Kirtland, AFB in Albuquerque. I dont know what it was called in 1947 but it wasn't a base. Ive not known it to be involved in bio research either. Lovelace Clinic at Kirtland had some high tech medical equip during the Apollo project days and lunar missions. They worked with the astronauts. They also worked with the employees of a nuclear bio research lab way out on the base, to ensure nobody was exposed to lethal amts of plutonium that worked there.

Too many big famous names dropped.

It just doesn't ring true for me.



"Sandia Base was the principal nuclear weapons installation of the United States Department of Defense from 1946 to 1971. It was located on the southeastern edge of Albuquerque, New Mexico. For 25 years, the top-secret Sandia Base and its subsidiary installation, Manzano Base, carried on the atomic weapons research, development, design, testing, and training commenced by the Manhattan Project during World War II. Fabrication, assembly, and storage of nuclear weapons was also done at Sandia Base. The base played a key role in the United States nuclear deterrence capability during the Cold War. In 1971 it was merged into Kirtland Air Force Base."


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 08:50 PM
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Here is a link about authenticity ratings FWIW

majesticdocuments.com...





Many of the most sensational and intriguing Majestic documents are not from official sources, such as the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) or government document libraries. Because of this fact, the issue of authenticity becomes paramount if one is to believe the content of the documents. Authenticity is a manifold function; it is not as simple as “true or false” or “hoaxed or real.”

Authenticity of a document involves examining many questions, such as:

Where did the document come from?
What are the results of the forensic paper, ink, watermark, typewriter and handwriting tests?
Are there unique and obscure content markers that are accurate for this type of document?
Are there direct first hand witnesses?
How difficult is the document to hoax or fake?
Who would have faked the document and why?
All of these factors as well as other subtleties weave their way into an authenticity rating for each document.

To fairly and effectively rate each document for authenticity there needs to be a weighting factor for each authenticity attribute under consideration. For example, there is a strong difference between forensic paper and ink testing, a weighting of 5.0, and more easily obtained document content, a weighting factor 2.0. Courts widely recognize this concept, discounting eyewitness testimony in favor of DNA evidence. In the end each document receives an authenticity rating based on the multiplication of the weighting factor and the document’s score on that attribute. The goal is to make the rating system as objective as possible.

The final authenticity score for each document is based on a series of weighted factors:

Eyewitness – First hand witness(es) that were directly involved with the questioned document – either they saw it, destroyed it, read it, wrote it, or contributed to the document’s creation in a tangible way. Witnesses are fallible, there memories change with time and can be influenced. Eyewitnesses are given a weighting factor of 3.0.
Zingers – These are aspects of any of the key authenticity metrics that go far beyond the norm. In essence, a zinger is a verified rare subtlety of a document that is obscure, weird, or odd. Examples would include typographical anomalies associated with the printed process of the era. Zingers are given a weighting factor of 5.0.
Content – Refers to the words and meaning of the document. Are the dates, document references, and individuals mentioned appropriate? What does the document say in relation to what was known then and known now? Are there obscure facts that were classified then that were declassified or became public after the document was leaked? Content is given a weighting factor of 2.0.
Chronology – This looks at the placement of the document content with respect to organizational history. Are the people mentioned in the memo or report supposed to be there? Is the document consistent with other documents of the era, does it fit in or is it out of place? Chronology is given a weighting factor of 2.0.
Typography – This category relates to typewriters, typesetting, laser printing, photocopying, memography – in essence any technique that creates or reproduces writing on paper. Typology is given a weighting factor of 4.0.
Forensics – This refers to the testing of original paper, verifying watermarks, and testing inks with known authentic standards. Forensics are given a weighting factor of 5.0.
Linguistics – The use of forensic linguistics fits in this category. This is the examination by experts of sentence structure, spelling, punctuation, and writing style. Both sophisticated computer tools and hand analysis are used to pinpoint unique style markers that uniquely define authorship. Linguistics are given a weighting factor of 3.0.
Anachronisms – These are problems with the document: dates out of place, formats wrong, similar handwriting, copied content from other documents, or conflicting stories. These issues can be significant or minor depending on what is know about the frequency of such an anachronism. For example, addressing a military general by his first name in a document may seem like a major mistake in the modern era, but 50 years ago in the company of other generals, this anachronism could in fact be a hallmark of authenticity. The weighting factor for anachronisms is 5.0.
Sometimes the information in the public domain for the authenticity of a document is incomplete or uncompelling, but the internal research and verification by www.majesticdocuments.com staff shows a more complete story. For those interested in the authenticity of a particular document feel free to contact us directly for further discussions.

Given these weighting factors, five different levels of authenticity are used to define each document:

High Level of Authenticity – 80-100%
This means that virtually all of the available investigation channels and ideas have been pursued and at each test the document has shown to be authentic. For example, tests in paper, ink, obscure content, handwriting, period typography and fonts, correct formatting, forensic linguistics (along with no sign of anachronisms), all indicate the highest level of authenticity. At this level, witnesses are present that have seen or read the document in an “official” capacity and will or have signed an affidavit to that effect.

Medium-High Level of Authenticity – 60-80%
The medium-high level means that a considerable amount of investigation and testing has been completed and their are strong signs of authenticity in the way of content, forensics, typography, zingers etc. Although there may be some anachronisms identified they do not seem to be major.

Medium Level of Authenticity – 40-60%
The medium level is the starting point for most documents that are under-researched. This level a document shows both signs of positive authenticity and questions as detailed in the eight attributes of authenticity cited above.

Medium-Low Level of Authenticity – 20-40%
The medium-low level means the document has been studied by many individuals or organizations and there are stubborn anachronisms that cannot easily be resolved. However, there are elements (many pages and or paragraphs) of the document that show signs of authenticity, but on balance there are more bad points than good.

Low Level of Authenticity – 0-20%
A low level means that significant irresolvable anachronisms have been identified that cast considerable doubt on the entire document. Virtually all investigative avenues have been pursued and shown little or no sign of authenticity. A credible motive for faking the document may be identified along with likely perpetrators.

For further discussion of authenticity, see the Document Authentication section. Here you will find in-depth analyses of several documents, such as “The Oppenheimer-Einstein Draft” and “Field Order 862, The Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit,” and several detailed articles such as “Mounting Evidence For Authenticity of MJ-12 Documents” and “Validating the New Majestic Documents” that describe the authentication process in detail. You’ll also find a videotaped discussion on the topic of document authentication.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

another thing, i'm pretty sure the army didn't start using the term Landing Zone or LZ until the 60's in Vietnam when the use of helicopters really came to be. plus a crash site wouldn't be called a LZ. there are reference to LZ 1 and 2,

then two date formats, one on top pf page one which is written correctly,the second one is Month Day Year which the military doesn't do. Military uses Day Month Year so does the NSA, and i'm pretty sure the CIA.

then there's the fact that Top Secret is scratched out and Ultra is placed under it. There is no higher clearance than TOP Secret

fake as the day is long.
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posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: watchitburn



then there's the fact that Top Secret is scratched out and Ultra is placed under it. There is no higher clearance than TOP Secret

fake as the day is long.


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"Ultra was the designation adopted by British military intelligence in June 1941 for wartime signals intelligence obtained by breaking high-level encrypted enemy radio and teleprinter communications at the Government Code and Cypher School (GC&CS) at Bletchley Park. Ultra eventually became the standard designation among the western Allies for all such intelligence. The name arose because the intelligence obtained was considered more important than that designated by the highest British security classification then used (Most Secret) and so was regarded as being Ultra Secret."

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer

I've been trained in disarming nuclear weapons. I've also been involved with Special Access Programs. I have a NATO Cosmic clearance for some shady stuff. I've been involved with lots of Secret Service Ops. Protecting 4 different Presidents.

I have never seen or heard of any kind of "Ultra" clearance level.



posted on Sep, 21 2023 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: BernnieJGato

That's a good catch as well.

I've never heard of "Ultra" clearance levels have never been reduced in my experience, always expanded.



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