New vacines being rolled out.

a reply to: chr0naut

The fall in ratio of severe or fatal outcomes for those hospitalized, despite the bloom in infection numbers, is indication of the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Wrong it is an indication of the Human immune system adapting to the Virus as it always has and always will . The Vaccine was a useless virtue signal nothing more.

It was not a Vaccine and it never was mate , Nothing about the Vaccine made our bodies more capable of fighting the virus .

a reply to: chr0naut

All cause deaths have risen sharply in the time frame of the disease, and fallen again after the disease has burnt itself out and vaccinations against the disease have increased.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

The fall in ratio of severe or fatal outcomes for those hospitalized, despite the bloom in infection numbers, is indication of the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Wrong it is an indication of the Human immune system adapting to the Virus as it always has and always will . The Vaccine was a useless virtue signal nothing more.

It was not a Vaccine and it never was mate , Nothing about the Vaccine made our bodies more capable of fighting the virus .

The human immune system cannot adapt to a pathogen it has never encountered.

That is how immunizations work, they expose the immune system to aspects of the pathogen, without the risk of a full infection.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

All cause deaths have risen sharply in the time frame of the disease, and fallen again after the disease has burnt itself out and vaccinations against the disease have increased.

And this was in every single country in the world?

Because few countries missed out on the pandemic.

a reply to: chr0naut

The human immune system cannot adapt to a pathogen it has never encountered.

If that were true chr0 then we would have died a long time ago , Every pathogen is new until we adapt to it .

Yes Vaccines expose us to a small weakened version of the pathogen and they are very effective , BUT the Covid-19 vaccine is not a vaccine and did not work in the manor you suggest .

a reply to: chr0naut

And this was in every single country in the world?

Because few countries missed out on the pandemic.

Are you asking me or asking yourself ?

How am I supposed to know ? Go ask the WHO I'm sure they will be upfront and honest with you .

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

The fall in ratio of severe or fatal outcomes for those hospitalized, despite the bloom in infection numbers, is indication of the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Wrong it is an indication of the Human immune system adapting to the Virus as it always has and always will . The Vaccine was a useless virtue signal nothing more.

It was not a Vaccine and it never was mate , Nothing about the Vaccine made our bodies more capable of fighting the virus .

The human immune system cannot adapt to a pathogen it has never encountered.

That is how immunizations work, they expose the immune system to aspects of the pathogen, without the risk of a full infection.

Are you sure you know what an immune system does?

Because respond to pathogens it has never encountered and produce antibodies to them seems to be in it’s job description.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

Shouldn’t a so called vaccine show clear and effective protection against the virus it seemingly protects against?

The mere fact it’s up for serious debate shows what a joke the high efficacy narrative is.

Quite a strange thing it is...I just made the age group to receive polio vaccine. I don't remember getting polio after polio vaccination. Or tetanus after tetanus vaccination. Or the booster I got many years later. It's almost like the vaccines were designed to protect you from these things.

Yet after covid "vaccination", like everyone else I got covid (twice in the following 6 months), though strangely 0 times in the previous 12 months of the pandemic.

Quite grateful though, imagine how bad it could have been!.....some "vaccine" that! (yes, that's sarcasm)

When the pseudo vaccines failed utterly they actually convinced people that the point of vaccines is not stop people getting disease. What is worse is that people believed them (some still do).

As to the unvaccinated filling hospitals, we know this is bull#, the figures are skewed by mass testing of unvaccinated people with an unfit for purpose test (with a huge false positive rate), massaged by pliant definitions and all sorts of confounders, but it's worse than that. Listen to the head of the CDC when asked about this recently.

Q. "Were there vaccinated Americans in Hospital (with covid) on this date?" (21/6/2021 when demented old Biden assured everyone it was impossible).

A. "You know, maybe I will say this, we still "to this day" do not have the data on people who were coming to hospital vaccinated."

I guess a lot more "unvaccinated" people will end up in hospital, if you don't collect the data on vaccinated people ending up there lol.

a reply to: chr0naut

Excess deaths and all cause mortality worldwide has exploded since the vaccines were rolled out.

a reply to: anonentity

we'll find out soon enough.. the harms are stacking up..

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

The fall in ratio of severe or fatal outcomes for those hospitalized, despite the bloom in infection numbers, is indication of the effectiveness of the vaccines.

Wrong it is an indication of the Human immune system adapting to the Virus as it always has and always will . The Vaccine was a useless virtue signal nothing more.

It was not a Vaccine and it never was mate , Nothing about the Vaccine made our bodies more capable of fighting the virus .

The human immune system cannot adapt to a pathogen it has never encountered.

That is how immunizations work, they expose the immune system to aspects of the pathogen, without the risk of a full infection.

Are you sure you know what an immune system does?

Because respond to pathogens it has never encountered and produce antibodies to them seems to be in it’s job description.

The immune system doesn't adapt to novel pathogens before it has encountered them (or aspects of them).

It doesn't build antibodies to a pathogen until it has been exposed to the pathogen.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

Excess deaths and all cause mortality worldwide has exploded since the vaccines were rolled out.

The number of active cases of COVID-19 exploded slightly before and during when the vaccines were rolled out. As the number of active cases grew, so did all cause mortality.

a reply to: chr0naut

Why are there less deaths than normal in some countries?

I heard that it's normal for deaths to go down after a pandemic because the weak, old and vulnerable already died in the pandemic.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: chr0naut

And this was in every single country in the world?

Because few countries missed out on the pandemic.

Are you asking me or asking yourself ?

How am I supposed to know ? Go ask the WHO I'm sure they will be upfront and honest with you .

It is quite clear that the video you posted was only one doctor's commentary on their direct experience, so, only a single country.

living in one of gods waiting rooms i've found the pivot quite interesting how many have gone from trusting the establishment to outright mistrust, indeed the elderly appear to use what they see/impacts on friends and family to form their opinions..

of all groups the elderly seem to hold the most distrust in these companies and their injections..

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut

Why are there less deaths than normal in some countries?

I heard that it's normal for deaths to go down after a pandemic because the weak, old and vulnerable already died in the pandemic.

There can be several factors, climate, diet, genetics etc, but in my opinion, generally the countries that did not have large excess death rates also did not have politicians that outright denied the initial outbreaks, or did not have many large gatherings of people (for many reasons) at super-spreader events, at the peaks of outbreaks.

a reply to: chr0naut

Might be worth checking out your list on them:

In March 2023, 16 EU countries recorded no excess deaths. Among those, Latvia (-14%), Romania (-13%) and Bulgaria (-10%) recorded the lowest excess mortality.

Among the countries that observed excess deaths, the Netherlands (+12% above the national monthly average for 2016-19) and Greece (+10%) recorded the highest excess mortality rates. They were followed by Ireland and Austria (both +9%), Cyprus (+8%), Spain and Malta (both +6%), Portugal and Germany (both +4%) and Denmark (+1%).

EU excess mortality at low levels in March 2023...eurostat

originally posted by: Quintilian

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: chr0naut

Shouldn’t a so called vaccine show clear and effective protection against the virus it seemingly protects against?

The mere fact it’s up for serious debate shows what a joke the high efficacy narrative is.

Quite a strange thing it is...I just made the age group to receive polio vaccine. I don't remember getting polio after polio vaccination. Or tetanus after tetanus vaccination. Or the booster I got many years later. It's almost like the vaccines were designed to protect you from these things.

Yet after covid "vaccination", like everyone else I got covid (twice in the following 6 months), though strangely 0 times in the previous 12 months of the pandemic.

Quite grateful though, imagine how bad it could have been!.....some "vaccine" that! (yes, that's sarcasm)

When the pseudo vaccines failed utterly they actually convinced people that the point of vaccines is not stop people getting disease. What is worse is that people believed them (some still do).

As to the unvaccinated filling hospitals, we know this is bull#, the figures are skewed by mass testing of unvaccinated people with an unfit for purpose test (with a huge false positive rate), massaged by pliant definitions and all sorts of confounders, but it's worse than that. Listen to the head of the CDC when asked about this recently.

Q. "Were there vaccinated Americans in Hospital (with covid) on this date?" (21/6/2021 when demented old Biden assured everyone it was impossible).

A. "You know, maybe I will say this, we still "to this day" do not have the data on people who were coming to hospital vaccinated."

I guess a lot more "unvaccinated" people will end up in hospital, if you don't collect the data on vaccinated people ending up there lol.

When you received your childhood immunizations, there weren't large numbers of people who objected and abstained. So the coverage was more complete and polio and tetanus are not respiratory viral infections, which are harder to immunize against.

Flu shots are a good comparison to COVID-19 vaccines. Neither absolutely prevent the illness (few vaccines do), but both do have an effect of creating a more robust immune response and reducing serious health outcomes of an infection.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut

Might be worth checking out your list on them:

In March 2023, 16 EU countries recorded no excess deaths. Among those, Latvia (-14%), Romania (-13%) and Bulgaria (-10%) recorded the lowest excess mortality.

Among the countries that observed excess deaths, the Netherlands (+12% above the national monthly average for 2016-19) and Greece (+10%) recorded the highest excess mortality rates. They were followed by Ireland and Austria (both +9%), Cyprus (+8%), Spain and Malta (both +6%), Portugal and Germany (both +4%) and Denmark (+1%).

EU excess mortality at low levels in March 2023...eurostat

I was referring to the excess death rates that were seen at the peak of the pandemic. Most countries are seeing reduced excess death rates now. Definitely it looks as though the more recent strains of the virus are more benign. Also, the numbers of people who have either had COVID, or have been immunized against it, or both, has risen to the point where the virus is no longer novel in the general populace.