The UFO Charlatans, shysters and fraudsters thread

If he worked behind the scenes to get images, and people talked to him, that would be good for him, that is something. That he understands the phenomenon or tries to speak consistently about it, well, I would say it is not his strength. A lot of entertaining videos though. Perhaps we need that. I personally would pass that.

originally posted by: JumpTheGun76

originally posted by: flamengo
His contributions to the discussion have been weak and inconsistent, he doesn't come across as someone who deeply studied the phenomenon, not much reading, thinking, anything really. Does that answer your query?
a reply to: JumpTheGun76

Saying that, without actually saying anything is weak. Has not contributed nothing? A lot of the recent footage we have seen, is because of corbell. The subject in the mainstream is a lot to do with people like cobrll snd their push for disclosure. People coming forward is a lot to do with corbell.

As someone who has been interested in this subject for a very long time, I do not see how you can say he knows little about the subject. Can you explain how this is the case?

All I see here are armchair debunkers throwing out claims, just because their belief system is debunking.

Yes, there are loads out their which are charlatans and should not be taken seriously, but Corbell is definitely not one of them!

For what it's worth, i believe we will be adding Grusch to the list as well. He might even take top spot for a while.

Reason. He swears an oath in congress. Tells them he is willing to disclose what he knows in a SCIF knowing full well he lost any clearance he had.

Also. If we dig deep enough I'm going to guess he was never that deeply inside the real intel community in the first place.
The person that cleans the toilets at the pentagon could say they work in Intel and has a certain amount of clearance and information. ie, the layout of the toilets and the cupboard they keep the bog roll in...which they can't divulge except in a SCIF.

Another Nick Pope.

originally posted by: JumpTheGun76
Yes, there are loads out their which are charlatans and should not be taken seriously, but Corbell is definitely not one of them!

You aren't seriously trying to claim that Corbell didn't lie to us in his documentary " Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers" about the reason for the FBI raid, are you? Obviously he lied and that makes him a charlatan.

He also faked screenshots and didn't do a very good job of that.

The videos that Corbell posts appear to be genuine, it's what he says about them that's fake.
Corbell shows a bokeh video, claims it's a pyramid UFO, it's not. I don't know if he's ever relented and admitted the debunkers are right, but the pentagon investigation finally showed the debunkers are right, Corbell is wrong, but why did the pentagon take so long to figure it out, and what is wrong with Corbell for still denying the truth, even though we know stars are not triangle shaped like his video shows?

Corbell shows a military flares video, claims it's a giant triangle UFO, it's not. He and Knapp both defended their claim for a while but eventually I think they relented and admitted the debunkers were right or at least might be right about the military flares.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
I think you are wrong there, but we will find this out soon enough.
There was some probing by Blumenthal and Kean beforehand, it would be a massive ClusterFxck if they didn't, other sources have also vetted the bloke, so I think it is unlike he is Mr. Nobody.

To me Mr Exopolitics, Michael Salas should be very high in the ranking. Perhaps top 3. At least.
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Glad you started out with Greer, he's one of the worst imo. Making plenty of money giving 2 hour interviews about how he's had direct connect with aliens, etc. Full of bull from his moths to his paid hikes to contact ET using meditation.

What annoys me the most about Greer is that he doesn't have any evidence to back up his claims, yet he still gets 1 - 2 hour interview slots on YouTube channels, etc. I wish people weren't so blinded.

Glad someone mentioned Nick Pope too, he started out being quite on the fence about ufo's but as the years went by, he got more and more into making claims that don't add up, and trying to push how important he was in UK DoD UFO circles. In it for the money now, particularity on Ancient Aliens (although aren't all the guys on Ancient Aliens charlatans?!)

Watching Nick Pope is...
like traveling back in time to a 1950's cocktail party where everyone is dressed to the 9's, men gallantly lit the women's cigarette's with class & authority. Conversation was fun & witty bolstered by perfectly made drinks always a evening without impolite drama or bad manners.

Educational?
Not so much. You do however get a reliable 20 minutes or so of UFO fluff. He never disappoints. I wouldn't call him a Charlatan tho. He really doesn't rise to the level of being intentionally deceitful.

My personal list of Charlatan's include everyone from Putoff/Mellon/Alexander/Doty/Mack/Bigelow an generally the cast of thousands who've been feeding us manure since the 50's. Too many to list. Altho Corbell gets special notice for riding
George Knapp's coat tails! Yes, Knapp & Corbell are both hucksters.

a reply to: lekella

Hey, Did you know you can now download Greer's app for making contact.

I didn't bother to see if it was free or not but no doubt he'll be benefitting out of it somehow.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Now I am going to play devil's advocate regarding Greer. This guy spent 2000 USD to attend Greer's thing. But after that, according to him, he can see UFOs weekly. He films and stuff. Watch it and decide for yourself.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Phil Schneider, Dulce base guy, American Patriot, getting other peoples research and twisting and turning. Became the in the shoot out with aliens. Very explorative talkings. Called a reporter a "lesbian", and use this type of language and prejudices along the way.
Sorry, all BS. Top 10 BS.

a reply to: RAY1990

I guess what I'm saying is who are you going to trust? Ufology itself has always been a mess. Can't trust professionals either?

With how covid has rolled, just because someone is on a big paycheck does not mean they are right, it does mean they have non disclosure agreements to keep those funds flowing.

What I do trust is that Roswell set the standard to make the UFO/ET topic taboo in the public discourse and subject to a counter intelligence campaign. With the military advantage in this technology a lot of people accepted this. Being about 80 years ago, how much time to the military need to take advantage of this technology? What repercussions is this having in keeping the public in the dark with a clearer picture of our place in reality?

Trust is about understanding. For anyone getting involved in this mud pit, they are going to make mistakes and get things wrong at times when trying to make sense and define what is really going on. Do you trust the independent researcher trying their best with what pieces they have or do you trust the compartmentalized complex that has a lot more answers, but also a mandate to cloud the topic and restrict public access?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Its not free.

I think it is $19.95, not sure if that is a one time charge or recurring because im not about to pay to find out.

I did find it disappointing that MUFON makes you pay to have access to their reports, as well as another(relatively small) fee to have access to their app. $2 is too much for how poorly that apps work and one can not even get much information, except date, time and sort of place. To read the full reports , one needs to be a MUFON member.

It is obvious that they do not screen any reports on their app with many if not most lets just say not credible. Countless describe Starlink sightings and other common UFOs.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Its not free.

I think it is $19.95, not sure if that is a one time charge or recurring because im not about to pay to find out.

I did find it disappointing that MUFON makes you pay to have access to their reports, as well as another(relatively small) fee to have access to their app. $2 is too much for how poorly that apps work and one can not even get much information, except date, time and sort of place. To read the full reports , one needs to be a MUFON member.

It is obvious that they do not screen any reports on their app with many if not most lets just say not credible. Countless describe Starlink sightings and other common UFOs.

Another one to avoid. Thanks.

a reply to: kwakakev

With how covid has rolled, just because someone is on a big paycheck does not mean they are right, it does mean they have non disclosure agreements to keep those funds flowing.

It depends what you mean. I'm not a fan of a global conspiracy that would essentially have millions of people involved all keeping mum on the issue. That's like fake moon landings x100 levels of clandestine. I do understand human nature though, COVID and ufology do have a link if you consider the thread title. Grifters gotta grift and COVID definitely facilitated huge wealth transfers. Doesn't mean COVID is fake or millions are in on some grand conspiracy.

Trust is about understanding. For anyone getting involved in this mud pit, they are going to make mistakes and get things wrong at times when trying to make sense and define what is really going on. Do you trust the independent researcher trying their best with what pieces they have or do you trust the compartmentalized complex that has a lot more answers, but also a mandate to cloud the topic and restrict public access?

I understand why governments were naturally obtuse when dealing with UFOs and the public, when it comes to independent researchers and journalists I've always struggled to find ones that'll keep their bias at the door whilst being objective and neutral on the topic. It's why ATS has always been a great watering hole, we've had some wonderfully objective minds here.

What I do trust is that Roswell set the standard to make the UFO/ET topic taboo in the public discourse and subject to a counter intelligence campaign. With the military advantage in this technology a lot of people accepted this. Being about 80 years ago, how much time to the military need to take advantage of this technology? What repercussions is this having in keeping the public in the dark with a clearer picture of our place in reality?

What technology? The way you wrote that is somewhat insinuating aliens are a fact and the US has their technology. It's that same old path of bias that I speak of. I'm still open to the idea that the majority of bonafide UFO sightings are supernatural and/or psychological but even then if I had a chat with the majority of the UFO crowd they'll happily attempt to interject their own thoughts and beliefs onto my own, even my sightings.

Trust is about understanding and I don't understand how the majority of believers get their own narratives without massive leaps of faith. Personal testimonies are usually as valuable as the corroborating evidence if we're to be objective and to be realistic about the psychological aspect of a sighting we can't say that humans are invulnerable to misinterpretation, flights of fancy or even good ol' hallucinatory experiences.

Honestly, I'd say believers and experiencers made ufology a taboo subject, some of it's cultural and some of it's the natural disposition to stay away from "crazy".

a reply to: RAY1990

Something to do with Osiris apparently, the thing is though once you start studying Egyptology in depth you run the risk of sounding just like Zahi Hawass.

The only motivation I can see for a community to commit the energy required for a project like the Giza Pyramids is to leave a mark for where they are from.

Lets say you just arrived on a new planet with a colony ship. There is going to be all kinds of cool tools in the workshop to get you that far. What kind of thing would you build to be a reminder that survives the test of time? The design fits perfect, along with much other of its engineering details. In time the expertise to fix those cool tools was lost, but a lot of its architectural style and culture remained. Is that Ark still humming away somewhere?

The way I see it Orion's belt is often culturally linked with the Pleiades, not always but often enough that it's highly noticeable.

Both these constellations have a similar kind of star cluster and are close by on the overall size of things. To consider there have been some past interstellar interactions in Earths evolution is reasonable. How the web of life works through the universe still has many mysteries.

Orion has a bad reputation these days with the Gray aliens from Zeta Reticuli and those butt probes. Things went well with SERPO. How similar the word Orion is to Origin, hmm,,, Pyramids on the USD$, IDK? One open source, free game that goes through some of the challenges of interstellar colonization: freeorion.org

Pleiades has had more of that Nordic, tall white vibe to it. Some of it gets out there looking for a happy place. One site that fits with what they are about: .bibliotecapleyades.net

The one that worries me, what is going on with the collective consciousness for the Klingon language to emerge? Is this some kind of heads up that it is a jungle out there for any to get involved in space travel?

a reply to: RAY1990

What technology? The way you wrote that is somewhat insinuating aliens are a fact and the US has their technology.

How deep have you gone into the history of the Transistor? What was it that put the people at Bell Labs onto Geranium? It is how two different compositions of Geranium interact that form the electrical gate. From here it looks like Bell Labs got a tip from the organization deconstructing the UFO's as to where to look to make a transistor work. Once Bell finished off the last part of the reverse engineering process, put a patient on it and revolutionized the computing industry from it's large, chunky and unreliable valve based technology

Then there are all the other suspect like fiber optics, memory metals and more. There has been a lot of technical gains filtered through the MIC and Fortune 500 since the days of Roswell. With corporations much better at keeping secrets than government, who really knows how much of a difference the Greada Treaty made? Would we be communicating now like we are without it? Where is it going as the phased antenna array becomes more common? How many lives has it cost?

As for aliens being a fact, I fail to see how life just stops at the stratosphere in such a vast existence. A better question is how much do they exist?

Trust is about understanding and I don't understand how the majority of believers get their own narratives without massive leaps of faith.

9/11 taught me to stop perceiving everything as absolute black or white, but be comfortable in the shades of gray. Not a lot we can be 100% certain about, so hold on tight to those piece when you find them. As for the rest of it, work through the probabilities, maybe it is this or that, while things may lean some way at times, be prepared to change things around as better information comes to light. With a few solid facts to work with, it does help triangulate a way through so many conflicting stories and views.

The one that worries me, what is going on with the collective consciousness for the Klingon language to emerge? Is this some kind of heads up that it is a jungle out there for any to get involved in space travel?

That was a fun little scavenger hunt!

Aside from Klingon's used as Star Fleet storyline antagonists, the language was cooked up by a linguist (Marc Okrand) out of gibberish suggsted by Scotty (James Doohan). Did not know Japanese/Scandinavian/Spartan cultures were drawn on for the Klingon's backround.

The Three Stooges at a UFO MegaCon. Couldn't have put it better myself

Doty's contribution to Greer's disclosure project is quite pathetic, he "revealed" a briefing he received, as this was even possible, and if you read the comment session, and new posts, some comments were like: "This man is telling the truth, I never seen someone as truthful".
So there you go, it was fabrication, but it looks nice, and ppl buy into it. I really like that collection of videos, but there are some moments...

a reply to: mirageman

He's a liar. He is not a graduate of Cal Tech, nor MIT. That's disgusting to me 👍

originally posted by: JumpTheGun76

originally posted by: vance
The one that disgusts me for the longest is Bob Lazar. He reminds me of the Stolen Valor goofs. Missions are classified, not the schools you attend to become an Elite warrior. Same for dummy Bob.

Disgusts you how? Kept to the same story, has not made loads of money and pretty much kept out the limelight, so disgusts you how?