The UFO Charlatans, shysters and fraudsters thread

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Does John Alexander qualifies? He got almost everything wrong in his book.

The one that disgusts me for the longest is Bob Lazar. He reminds me of the Stolen Valor goofs. Missions are classified, not the schools you attend to become an Elite warrior. Same for dummy Bob.

I would elect Hal Putoff…..

At 87 ….he’s made the rounds…..he’s seems to have had his fingers in plenty of pies throughout the decades.

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: rigel4

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Thank you

Zahi Hawass makes the top of my list on this topic. The Smithsonian Institution is also high on the list when it comes to covering up some important pieces of the alien puzzle.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
Too many to name but I'll tell you who IS legit......Richard Dolan (unless y'all know something I don't)

Richard Dolan started out legit, but descended into illegitimate territory when he made UFOlogy his career.

There's a thread here about his role in The Roswell Slides which was one of the biggest debacles in the history of UFOlogy and Dolan was right smack dab in the middle of that.

Richard Dolan and the Roswell Slides

originally posted by: -Blackout-
Dolan has been a respected pillar of the UFO community for a long time and all of this seems so weird to me.

originally posted by: Telos
I used to think the same about Dolan until the moment when he and some of the same group went high wire on the idea of the ufo underneath Giza pyramid and how it would materialize from another dimension. That's when I lost not only respect (obviously the materialization never happened) but also started doubting everything he ever said on UFO matters...

Then the topic of the thread, the Roswell slides,Richard Dolan's Latest Post Regarding the Roswell Slides, 24 May 2015
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Dolan says:

I do not think any of this is a hoax.

And he goes on and on defending the hoax, even though he knows about the placard saying it's the mummified body of a child. Then he implies the folks who deciphered the placard are the hoaxers, so I don't know how you could miss all that and still give him credibility after that fiasco.

Roswell Slides).

Dolan gets an honorable mention as a charlatan for that in the Aviary video at time index 47:04 where you can see Dolan talking about the hoax which he says is not a hoax.

(KRQE clip from 2015 about roswell incident proof-aka-roswell slides)
Host: good afternoon a photo and surface that a lot of people are claiming is proof that the Roswell UFO incident was real it's a picture of an alien type creature and they claim it was taken in 1947 in Roswell

47:04 Narrator: Richard Dolan. A man who promotes himself as the Bastion of respectable so-called ufology, but in reality has made it his livelihood and ensnared himself in profitable hoaxes while Jamie Mason's Infamous Roswell slides event which turned out to be nothing more than a museum exhibit. Richard Dolan also publicly claimed that he knew what was in the classified UFO briefings, but once that information was released, it turned out that the information he was providing wasn't accurate at all. Time after time, we see people portray themselves as knowledgeable insiders but it always turns out that their actual knowledge leaves much to be desired.

That video is on topic for this thread because the last half of it goes through a whole list of charlatans, including Dolan.

Dolan goes into more foolishness like his video of a "UFO" in space which is obviously a drop of liquid, and he even admits Jim Oberg told him it was a drop of liquid (which it obviously is), and then still goes on about how it's a UFO


46:40 very brief clip from 1984, STS-51

James Oberg calls it orange juice inside the craft, in the window, I'm not kidding, he'll make fun of you if you don't agree with him.

After going on for some time, he concludes his opinion is "it's definitely possible it's some space anomaly" and that's his leading theory. It seems like he's making fun of Jim Oberg for correctly identifying it as a drop of liquid, though Dolan doesn't rule that out completely, but he can't make videos about droplets of water so like the Aviary video infers, he resorts to hoaxing us that a droplet of water is not a droplet of water but a "space anomaly".

originally posted by: Kreeate

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

Take the time to listen to the whole 1:27 minutes.

Wait wait wait... what? 1 minute and 27 seconds?! That video is 1 HOUR 27 minutes.
Generally expressed as 1:27:00

No biggie. I'm just not going to listen to "Dr Greer" waffle on/off for an hour and a half.
Got any snippets about the video please?

Oh yeah, The BS is dropped early in this one. And this particular steaming pile is a doozy.

@ 7:33. Apparently he's been asked to form a rogue Commando unit. His mission, (if he choses to accept) is to assault these Black facilities and capture the Aliens and or artefacts. I kid you not.

originally posted by: flamengo
a reply to: Soloprotocol
Does John Alexander qualifies? He got almost everything wrong in his book.

Never heard of the guy.

If you think this guy Alexander is a fraud then feel free to post here and call him out on his BS.

I have my favourites BS hitters, Some people might not agree with my choices, and vice versa.

This thread was created so that the Charlatans be known to us all. Lets out them. Lets have a rogues gallery of UFO Fraudsters.

And if they are reading this, i hope they feel very uncomfortable about what they are doing. Cancel and shun them.

a reply to: kwakakev

Why those?

The way I see it Orion's belt is often culturally linked with the Pleiades, not always but often enough that it's highly noticeable. As far as I'm aware nobody has a definitive answer why these constellations are intrinsically linked in many cultures. Personally I err on the side of caution and find making the link "aliens" to be rather dismissive of past and present cultures that have been built around constellations in a figurative sense.

It's a new agey thing to link it all with aliens. I suppose one could say in the past they were linked with god's or even God but even that would be painting with a big brush since the stories and what they meant to individual cultures varies considerably. From what I gather to an aboriginal Aussie that constellation is part of a living culture and I can only assume a similar approach for other cultures. It seems to be the common theme between, I only mention aboriginals because they tended to be more nomadic than settled and I consider it worthy of note that different types of culture (nomadic and settled) dabbled extensively in astronomy. It wasn't all about time keeping and navigation but to say the link is aliens is a bit leapy IMO.

In the end it comes down to asking "where are we going with this?"
The answer can usually be interpreted as : Humans always needed an intervention at some time whether it was by ancient aliens, gods or a super civilisation of the past since we're woefully incapable of developing ourselves. I find conclusions like that not only dismissive but also somewhat domineering in the act of defining what could be... There's a meme for it.

I guess what I'm saying is their was probably always a new agey group about that's changing the dynamics and perceptions. It's a thread about shysters and frauds which means they already have definitions in mind when it comes down to the nuts and bolts. Anything man can make and simply comprehend is going to be out of bounds so to speak.

He worked for the intelligencer forever, he assured us loud and clear, no crashes and retrievals, no secret program, he, in his position, would know. Source? Trust me.
Read UFOs, Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities.
www.goodreads.com...
It is a S.hit show, got wrong in everything, basically.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

My favorite is The Honourable Korton Representative

a reply to: RAY1990

Why those?

With the Pyramids and Orion's Belt it is not just the location of the stars that fit with the alignments of the building, but also the intensity of the stars matching the size of the buildings. Whoever built these buildings was motivated by the Orion constellation. Why is that? This structure looks like an intergalactic signpost from here. I don't trust Zahi Hawass by his actions when it comes to what is really going on with the Pyramids.

With the Smithsonian Institution, a lot of reports around of things just disappearing once they get called in. Giant bones is a common one, makes one wonder what else?

SETI is another organization high on the do not trust list after their response to the Chilbolton Arecibo message.

Nick Pope - his claim is he ran the equivalent of the UK's Project Blue Book. When in fact he was a desk officer whose main job was actually.

"..non-operational RAF activities overseas and diplomatic clearance for flights abroad...."



See the full file :
The NIck Pope Papers (PDF)

He basically found a niche role to comment on UFOS to the media by bigging up a job that had minimal involvement with the UFO topic. It was a junior supervisory postion which occasionally meant answering public and media questions on UFOs and passing the more interesting reports to DS8 (who conducted the real investigations out of the eye of the public).

Now he's moved across the Atlantic to make more money out of the larger American UFOtainment market where he's part of a huge LARP.involving Ancient Aliens on Tour.

Linda Moulton Howe - She might have done some interesting work in 1980. But that was half her lifetime ago. Ever since, she has promoted fantasy as fact and lies as truth.

Just a handful of her fraudulent stunts below:

1) Tried to pass off a forged MoD memo as real regarding the Rendlesham case in her book and has continued to promote it.

2) Stole artwork from the computer games Area 51 and tried to pass it off as a genuine photo of an alien on the moon. Curt Jaimungal put her on the spot, and she went into meltdown.



3) Stole artwork from a Brazilian designer Philipe Kling David and tried to copyright and pass it off as footage of an alien.

4) Tried to pass off the MJ12 documents (which are also forgeries) as genuine on the Ancient Aliens TV show. The SOM1-01 document is full of obvious errors. It is a forgery. As just one example, It was allegedly printed in 1954 but makes claims about disguising UFO crashes as downed satellites. In 1954 the only satellite around Earth was called the Moon.



5) She even made $30k from TTSA selling them junk passed off as old UFO parts (or Arts Parts).

6) Whenever an awkward question is asked, she recites her career in a monologue for 10 to15 minutes in an attempt to make the audience forget the question she was asked. As she did in the above video with Curt J.

Linda needs to admit to her attempts to con people and spread false mythology, return all the money she took from gullible people and retire.

Jeremy Corbell - Luxuriantly bearded, badly tattooed, effeminately voiced self promoter. A strangely vacuous character who has struggled to find a proper career into middle age. Now found one as a peddler of dubious stories, pictures ,videos, Bob Lazar and bokeh. Has absolutely no critical thinking skills, insulted Stan Friedman in an extremely childish tirade in public and now claims to be an investigative journalist. With no journalistic qualifications and a distinct lack of investigative intuition.



Ufology does not need him. Nor his mentor George Knapp who once had a veneer of credibility but his association with Corbell and continued propping up of the Lazar myths suggest he's just another UFO grifter.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
There are no honest men sharing ufo secrets. Not one.

a reply to: mirageman

Yeah, I had Pope as my #2 on my charlatans list.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
a reply to: Soloprotocol
There are no honest men sharing ufo secrets. Not one.

There are. They are called abductees and eye witnesses.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
a reply to: Soloprotocol
There are no honest men sharing ufo secrets. Not one.

There are. They are called abductees and eye witnesses.

They may themselves believe what they say, regardless of any reality. In that, you are correct they may not be lying. You may struggle to accept this truth.

The thing with Pope is more that he is vapid than he is a charlatan, then comes the dancing around the subject and staying of the top of the fence for the sake of it, or lack of capacity for critical thinking.
But then again he does have some privy knowledge of UFOs in the UK, he shared that a few times.
His scuffle with P. Mantle isn't good for none of them.
a reply to: Soloprotocol