The Alien Secret .

a reply to: Compendium

Your first comment was reductive, disrespectful and dismissive

This comment?

So, mystery school teachings for nihilistic candidates who can surrender their freewill as a mere construct, delivered in the night via talking balls of light.

There are people that might not believe these claims, but it should be easy for you to prove this to them, by sharing a video of one of these conversations.

To be fair, this was my honest, yet somewhat critical, assessment of your story, which I actually enjoyed reading and find very curious, because I'm familiar with mystery school teachings, but I've never heard of them being delivered by balls of light. I have however been researching things like plasma technology, training programs, deception programs, and just this last week, I tried bone conducting headphones for the first time.

You are not looking for proof. You are looking for a reason to discount possibility

I love and live for possibilities, so trust me when I say that I would really like to see some evidence of this claim. I don't expect you to prove it, I'm just hoping for a little video to support your claim. If you don't want to share it with everyone, we can work out a way for you to share it with me directly, I would keep it as secure as you ask me to, and I can be trusted, because I'm more than just an initiate. As a favor to you, and as someone familiar with this subject matter, I might be able to provide some discretionary oversight, as I've found that mystery school teachings can be, and are often, perverted.

a reply to: IndieA

Mystery school teachings and groups are great, but they are not prefect. Groups can have incredibly strong influences over their members, especially when members are swearing oaths that include their potential death, if those oaths are broken. Absolute allegiance to others, is a scary principal for someone who is taught to know and trust themselves. Mystery school students should be able to rise above these psychological restraints, and mentally work out these psychological deceptions and manipulations.

You're not wrong about the Mystery Schools . It is for that very reason that I've never pursued being an Initiate .

My Father , Grandfather and his father and his father were all Masons so I didn't hesitate to find a lodge when I was 18 . It is a beautiful tradition and I've learned more from Free Masonry then I could ever consciously remember .

I also consider myself a Hermeticist and It's from studying Hermetic Philosophy and connecting it with Masonic Knowledge that I've made strides in understanding on my own.

I know a few Initiates in " Mystery Schools " and yes their lips are sealed.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I know a few Initiates in " Mystery Schools " and yes their lips are sealed.

The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.

Three Initiates, Kybalion

At no point have I ever sworn an oath to absolute secrecy, or blind obedience. The teachings that I've been presented with would encourage otherwise. I'm taught to be discretionary with the knowledge I share, because knowledge is power, and power can be a force or tool for good or evil, and should be used responsibly.

Sure, I've been asked to keep certain things secret, but I'm also encouraged to share knowledge with those who care to understand it. Something that prevents this from happening more often, is a lack of ears of understanding, and in general, seekers of knowledge.

I can tell you that I was initiated in a temple by other Rosicrucians, but I've been asked to keep secret those proceedings, which I respect.

I've also been asked to not share my lessons with anyone directly, but I am encouraged to spread and impart the things that I have learned, in my own words and way, and there is some interesting material that I am told can be shared directly.

Those with ears of understanding, who ask and seek, will be surprised at what can be learned.

Well now guys; this begs a question; What light can the mystery schools shed on the question of UFOs and aliens?

To enlargen just a tad.

Dark Journalist did a series of video programs on the illuminati and the schools in general. I have only watched the one episode, the 'ALICE X IN CERN' where DJ mentioned there were two factions in the schools, one wanted to keep the secret and the other to bring it out into the open.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

The masses have not been Properly Conditioned to understand or use the Knowledge that these " Mystery Schools " possess .

Though some through the very will of their own Minds are very ready .

It is because this knowledge has been squandered on a few and not shared with the generations of masses that the masses are so unprepared.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

I could make a solid case that the mystery schools have gone to a great deal of trouble to kill off the natural psychics of human-kind so the few who remain are under the control of the schools.

My opinion as to the reason behind the cull was to create the elite minority behind the mystery schools. My suspicion is; so they could separate man from Nature and usher in the materialistic age of science for the general population.

To censor and restrict what was once common knowledge, and make what is left over as accessible only through initiation.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Nothing good will come from this.
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Only easily divided simpletons believe in “Good vs. Evil”. Reality is more complicated than that.

Whatever the truth may be, you can safely bet that those in power have a plan to benefit from any release of information. True or not it will be presented in a way that helps them consolidate more power, often by provoking fear and desperation and then providing the solution they had all along, which allegedly solves your problem, but really solves their problem - getting more power over you.

originally posted by: gr8skott

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Nothing good will come from this.
:

Only easily divided simpletons believe in “Good vs. Evil”. Reality is more complicated than that.

That dark psychological deception is called moral relativity, and it is a false belief often perpetuated as a means to manipulate people into doing evil things.

Evil and wrong doing do exist and it's important to realize this.

It is wrong to murder, rape, steal, lie, and coerce, even when your "just following orders." Culpability falls on the person commiting the violation of someone else's "rights", and not on the person giving the order.

It's often in the order giver's best interests, to convince the order followers otherwise.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Without question mate I've felt this my entire life even when I was a child I knew I was missing something . Like I could just reach out with my hands and pull the curtain back to reveal the hidden truth.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

We both agree there. A huge undertaking to separate mankind from Nature spaning thousands of years. At least back to the biblical time of Hosea.

One might wonder if there is a hatred there behind the plan for humanity.

Not a hated for humanity, a hatred for something else.

a reply to: IndieA

Well respectfully, if you wish to go deeper into discussion on what someone is offering, you probably should not start by reducing things someone has sacrificed everything for, down to 'nihilism'

Or conflate "deterministic will" and "free will", which are completely different, near opposite, concepts

Free will is the right to have your own mind, choosing and believing whatever you wish to. Whether it be right or wrong

Deterministic will, is to choose or believe something to be definitely so, when there is no possible way of knowing for certain, that you are right

I cannot send you videos or pictures, at least not anything that is conclusive or worth sharing

We are talking about an intelligence, that can visualise alignments years before they happen. Possibly even generations

They will repeat a number over and over to me, without context as to what it means. A number which turns out to be the exact score for the only national rugby league game I get to see that year. Over 6 months later

This makes it a little hard to sneak up on them, or catch them out with a camera. If indeed, it did not seem disrespectful to try do so

If you really want to, you can google “UFO Darwin” or “UFO Northern Territory” (Darwin, NT, Australia)

Plenty of people have seen them over the years and tried taking pictures of them

The U.S military came in 2011, with Barack Obama, personally, chasing them around with their boats and jet fighters. They would usually just disappear before they got out there

There is plenty of examples such as this, to do with the British monarchy, and various other people visiting Darwin, at very particular times, trying for very particular “alignments”, but it is not worth going into in this thread

With the the process of “Illumination” I was personally initiated into?

We are not sworn to any type of secrecy

We are merely taught to understand, that telling people things they should not know, or they are not ready to know, does them, nor you, any good

Such conversations only ever lead to negativity

If nobody benefits, it is better no words are spoken

We will usually just say something like, “I will not speak on such things”, or “I have nothing to offer you”

There is no point causing hurt, distress or confusion with the things you share

Or causing stress for yourself, trying to explain things to people, that they have no grounds for understanding

Having said this, I am more than happy to share (most of) the knowledge and understanding I have, in regards to these things

As long as the conversation is respectful, and what is being shared is beneficial in some way, to either party

Though again, it may be a little off topic to elaborate on, for this particular thread

On the topic of the orbs themselves, in the physical sense of my experiences with them? (again, I will not pretend to know anything for certain) …

They seem to be intimately connected with the source of our physical world and creation. Meaning, it is likely they have been around as long as we have existed on this Earth

I am lead to believe that historically they been referred to as things such as “Illuminated”, “burning ones”, or “Enlightened”, because of the fact they appear as balls of light. Which seems to literally be, where such terms originated from

But they have had many names, throughout history, with the uninitiated believing them to be things such as Gods, aliens, or spirits

It seems that they have no desire to ever let anyone know who, or what, they are. Intentionally and deliberately so

If you ask them what they are, as I stated before, they will simply answer, “I am, what I am”

Believe as you may, and as you will
But know, that you know nothing
Beyond the knowing, of knowing self

The Catholic Cathedral here in Darwin is named “St Mary's Star Of The Sea”, and has a stain-glassed window depicting this ball of burning fire over the ocean

Seemingly, named after the thing which I, and many others, have encountered. Though the Church seems terrified of it, in my experiences speaking with them



These orbs do not “speak” vocally, out loud

Their connection is dimensional

I tried writing down a concise explanation of how this “communication” comes about, but I found it too hard without going into great detail about the purgatory process of initiation (catharsis, purification and cleansing) to give it context

I am happy to explain the process, but again, it is a little off-topic

I will simply say that for the first few years, your brain is “rewired” and it is not a pleasant experience

You die, and are revived, within which half of your bodies energy is reversed (polar reversal/shift) so that you are considered to have:

One eye open, externalised in the physical world (the sun)
One eye closed, internalised in the underworld (the moon)

This process is literally where the terms Initiate and Ascended come from

"Initiate" means "To go into"
"Ascended" means "To go out from"

In the Sumerian mystery schools, initiates were depicted as fish people, or people with fish heads, or as people with water and fish flowing "inwards", or people wearing clothes made of water

Ascended were depicted as bird people, people with bird heads. Usually holding a bucket of water, symbolising them carrying understanding of the internal "underworld", and holding a seed to another, symbolising the imparting of their understanding to others as knowledge



The relief above, shows one of the ascended sitting on the throne of Solomon (Solar moon), facing the 3 aspects of self (the same as the Rosicrucian aspects of the soul, or the 3 main degrees of Freemasonry)

It shows him shining down, upon himself. Understanding that:

When you look up at the sun, you are looking at your own mind
You are looking up at yourself, shining down on yourself

When you look upwards at the moon, you are looking inwards into your own body
Looking inwards at the tip of your own spine, from within your own head

The Illumination process plays out very similarly to what is described in the Crata Repoa and other historical mystery schools, except Illuminated initiates experience everything for real

Where it speaks of a ritual of symbolic death, we actually die

Where it speaks of simulated lighting, thunder and storms, ours is very real, violent and explosive

We are also gain understanding of the very literal explanations for religion and mythologies, as they apply to things like modern physics, mathematics and science

As with the Eleusinian teachings of Demeter, Kore, Hades and Persephone, detailed at the bottom

Some parts of what is written in the Crata Repoa seem to have been written by someone that had certain information passed down to them, but did not experience it themselves

I say this because there is very profound understanding that goes along with each step of the experience, that has not been detailed in the Crata Repoa

Or maybe, possibly, it was written this way intentionally

Some parts go as far as appearing to be intentionally reversed, as to be contrary in what is supposed to be experienced and understood

Mainly, the ritual parts involving a living “King” or “Sovereign”

I am working on a document which offers a detailed comparison between Illumination and the processes detailed in the Crata Repoa

originally posted by: IndieA

originally posted by: gr8skott

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Nothing good will come from this.
:

Only easily divided simpletons believe in “Good vs. Evil”. Reality is more complicated than that.

That dark psychological deception is called moral relativity, and it is a false belief often perpetuated as a means to manipulate people into doing evil things.

Evil and wrong doing do exist and it's important to realize this.

It is wrong to murder, rape, steal, lie, and coerce, even when your "just following orders." Culpability falls on the person commiting the violation of someone else's "rights", and not on the person giving the order.

It's often in the order giver's best interests, to convince the order followers otherwise.

He was actually right. Good and evil, do not really exist

"Good" and "Evil" only exist with perception

They are facets of judgement

They are not defining terms within the nature of any type of being

There is only Love and Pain

Love is to allow and permit
Pain is to resist and withhold

These two things are tied into the very nature of the opposing forces of creation

And they are the root of all things which could be perceived as "Good" and "Evil"

Behind all perceived evil, there is some type of pain. Or a lack or withholding of love. Or a desperate need for love
Behind all perceived good, there is some type of love. Or the lack of pain. Or the need to release pain

The only exception to this, relates to the innocence of those who know no better, or have been taught no better

Pain, promotes pain
Love, promotes love

But sometimes, love promotes pain, and pain promotes love

It is a primary balancing of forces, inherent to creation, like any other in this world, as I said

The only place within the balance of these forces that terms like "Good" and "Evil" exist, is within preceived judgement of such

The main problem with people not understanding these principles, again, lays within "deterministic will"

If we deem someone, or something, to be evil, based upon perception of their actions, we close the door to understanding what is behind it

We close our eyes to the very pain, which seeks to be understood, through the actions we perceive evil

I have experienced realms and things as dark as anything which could possibly exist in this world

I have looked these things in the eye and I am yet to find anything which could be said to be true evil

Behind the eyes of the darkest entity I have ever encountered, with the deepest pain I have ever felt, was a wounded soul as beautiful as any I have ever seen

Even having encountered such things, the closest I have come to finding true evil, ironically, is the nature of some zealots within religion, who would deem themselves worthy to cast such labels of judgement upon other people, righteously. Without any effort to seek to understand, in any way

Though such, allowing another to continue to suffer

As if they have somehow earned the right to cast such judgements in this world

These disgusting judgemental and self-righteous people, who have no "eyes to see", are as close to true "evil" as you will find in this world

To his credit, the Pope himself, seems to understand this concept, once answering "Who am I to judge", to those seeking to have him denounce homosexuality

The use of the word "Evil" as judgement on others, is a perfect example of the ancient teachings, being corrupted in translation, in modern times, by those who do not properly understand the ancient wisdom on the nature of our being

As far as I have been taught within Illumination, the word "Evil" does not even exist in the original Biblical texts. Only within the revised translations

For instance, the word "Kakos/κακός" which is said to mean "evil" in modern Greek translations, which was supposed to have meant "To conclude, or end" in the original texts

a reply to: Compendium

You lost me here:

Free will is the right to have your own mind, choosing and believing whatever you wish to. Whether it be right or wrong

But I kept reading anyway, until I got halfway through your argument for moral relativity, then I had to stop reading.

These orbs do not “speak” vocally, out loud

I thought you said that balls of light were talking to you at night, it seems I must have misunderstood or something.

You are sharing very specific information. Information that I've seen in circulation before and information I identify as psychologically deceptive and logically incorrect.

I have to wonder why you are sharing such psychological deceptions.
Maybe you honestly believe these things, in which case I have to ask, why, and who taught or convinced you of this stuff, or did you just come up with it on your own?
Maybe you don't believe these claims, in which case I would have to ask, what's your motivation and what's your objective?

There is no point causing hurt, distress or confusion with the things you share

Or causing stress for yourself, trying to explain things to people, that they have no grounds for understanding

and I'll add, or sharing things that are untrue, deceptive, or manipulative.

I'll agree with you here, and say that we could both do a little better job at taking this advice.

Perhaps one should keep in mind that not always was there "only one god".

There is clearly a division of the human and Nature at some point. This is marked by the introduction of monothesism. Which "coincidentally" focuses upon the male.

In the Egyptian it is the betrayal of Isis, and Re's self promotion to "sun god".

The christian church did its best to exterminate anyone who was not of the monothesic thought. (Mostly women and female childten).

In the muslum world we have a clue here in Al-Jinn.

Exegesis

2 Jinn recant their belief in false gods.

In the second verse the jinn recant their belief in false gods and venerate Muhammad for his monotheism. The jinn apologize for their past blasphemy and criticize mankind for either neglecting them or encouraging their disbelief.

Al-Jinn reads more like something that happens after war, a treaty.

The Jinn are of the smokeless fire, it is said, and not all the Jinn surrended to the rule of monothesic thought, only afew of them.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Do you think that Compendium is getting their information from Jinn?

That could explain the psychological deceptions. The Jinn could be using deceptions to program Compendium so that they can be used to do the will of the Jinn.

It kind of makes sense when you think about it. Jinn don't have physical bodies, but apparently they can communicate with them, so it seems they should be able to use their advanced intellect and communication skills to be able to deceive and manipulate at least some gullible humans.

I might as well add, that the Jinns have a very real link to UFOs and in paeticular the fiery Orbs.

The Dalnegorsk UFO incident is an interesting case. Who ever created the Dalnegirsk Orb left it to fend for itself after it crashed and died.

Though programmed as an "AI" based Orb, it is still a Jinn at it's core.

I would suggest the Darwin Orbs have have an aspect of the Jinn.

a reply to: Compendium

It shows him shining down, upon himself. Understanding that: When you look up at the sun, you are looking at your own mind You are looking up at yourself, shining down on yourself When you look upwards at the moon, you are looking inwards into your own body Looking inwards at the tip of your own spine, from within your own head

This is what we all should have been brought up to believe and Understand.

Esoteric thinking like this is key to understanding the true nature of being.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

There is clearly a division of the human and Nature at some point.

So it may seem, and more so in the cities, I'll add.

Good thing humans are still a part of nature.

a reply to: IndieA

No I will disagree strongly there.

I think it is worth keeping in mind that "jinn" is just an Arab word for those Beings born of the smokeless fire.

I think you will find the Darwin Orbs are are of good intentions and convey to those who meet them is not falsehood.

With the Jinn to tell a falsehood will extinguish that part of them. They do not do it because falsehood is self destruction.