Oprah and other rich , it just all looks very suspicious the Maui fires.

Nothing about it adds up. The police blocking people from leaving (bought out), the strange pattern of the fire, the fact that the water was shut off , no alarms went off etc. It's strange how anything colored blue was safe. It just looks very suspicious all . To me it's beyond evil and criminal . I'm so pissed right now.

Evil needs to be brought to justice, but we all know it's rules for thee but not for me , and they protect each other

The title seems a little misleading.

Oprah is being 'investigated' for the Maui fires by every fringe site, forum and blogger that wants some clicks and likes, but there is no 'official' investigation under way.

IF the fire was a coordinated effort among the rich and powerful with a massive amount of help from government entities nobody will ever be able to connect enough dots to hold anybody accountable, least of all Oprah.

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It's so frustrating ,because nothing about this fire adds up. Why in the world would police block people wanting to leave?
They'd do that if they want them dead (no pesky witnesses) . The water thing is atrocious. Because of 'equity' and 'inclusivity' it was turned off? Where are the police chiefs , the maui governer ,etc. Why are they not demanding answers?

It's obvious it was a landgrab, and my biggest concern is that this is just the start. What island/city/state could be next ?
The evil rich will stop at nothing, as they already own everything they could ever want, except just that last bit more of power.

a reply to: ancientlight

You make a very wild claim here AL. Very wild. As you seem to have taken this notion so seriously, what other sources of information do you have to share with us to substantiate this claim. Other than this blogger. Please help us understand why you have settled on this belief.

One of the comments below the video:
"The police chief who was in charge during the Las Vegas massacre just happens to be the same police chief in charge during these fires. Coincidence? Why will he not answer the question about why he ordered his patrolman to block cars trying to flee the fire"

I didn't know this, and if true is pretty profound. People just need to investigate this . If it was started , then the perpetrators need to be held accountable!

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Captain Hindsight says: The power company should have shut down the transmission lines in high risk areas during red flag conditions.

They were pretty much in the Hawaii version of "Diablo/Santa Ana Winds". The pressure gradient between Hurricane Dora and high pressure to the north caused winds 70 mph plus.

All that needs is a spark.

We learned that same lesson once upon a time

Camp Fire too

Not all counties have same protocols in place.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ancientlight

You make a very wild claim here AL. Very wild. As you seem to have taken this notion so seriously, what other sources of information do you have to share with us to substantiate this claim. Other than this blogger. Please help us understand why you have settled on this belief.

Too much doesn't add up. Just answer one question. Why did the police block people from leaving? What good reason could there have been ?
They were fleeing being burned alive, but were blocked. Why?

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As with insider trading, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Zuckerberg et al may have had some 'insider' tips to be ready to invest biggly in Lahaina property but as for the planning? I seriously doubt they're at that level of 'need to know'.

As long as the rich and famous can profit, they probably don't even want to ask questions. The damage is done, so why not capitalize on it eh?

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: ancientlight

As with insider trading, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Zuckerberg et al may have had some 'insider' tips to be ready to invest biggly in Lahaina property but as for the planning? I seriously doubt they're at that level of 'need to know'.

As long as the rich and famous can profit, they probably don't even want to ask questions. The damage is done, so why not capitalize on it eh?

Yes, maybe. But they know that it was deliberate. She knows. She just looks guilty handing out the stupid pillows, her body language and everything. She makes me want to vomit, so fake and just screams evil.

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ancientlight

You make a very wild claim here AL. Very wild. As you seem to have taken this notion so seriously, what other sources of information do you have to share with us to substantiate this claim. Other than this blogger. Please help us understand why you have settled on this belief.

Too much doesn't add up. Just answer one question. Why did the police block people from leaving? What good reason could there have been ?
They were fleeing being burned alive, but were blocked. Why?

I don't know.

Stupid cops maybe?
Miss communication from headquarters maybe?
False reports by witnesses maybe?

Those are just guesses cuz I don't know. But I'm not the one making this wild claim with nothing but one blogger to back up the claim. So, do you or don't you have more to offer us concerning your claim. A police report maybe. Maybe a retracted police report. Anything

The resort town I live in turns the water off regularly to the town so that the resort hotels can have water during the summer months, especially when the tourism is the highest. I am guessing that was what was going on there. Everyone has cisterns that fill up at night so we can use water during the day when the water is turned off. But there isn't going to be enough water to fight off a fire.

If you saw any video at all of the winds that stoked that fire they were almost hurricane strength. Those winds were ferocious. We had a similar fire like that up in Colorado in Louisville not to long ago. It blazed through town in a matter of minutes and burned everything to the ground. I'm guessing it is poor management, poor governance, and just the authorities in charge, while no doubt corrupt, just were not up for handling the situation. The people in charge were woefully negligent. I can't imagine telling children to stay home so they burn in their homes. I can't imagine telling people to turn back into the fire. My guess is the people giving the orders were just plain ignorant. And too arrogant to listen to reason when being told what was happening.

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Too much doesn't add up. Just answer one question. Why did the police block people from leaving? What good reason could there have been ? They were fleeing being burned alive, but were blocked. Why?

Listen to me when I say this . Local Hawaiian Police would not stop locals from fleeing a Fire no way no how.

If someone stopped those people it was not local police .

But If it's true that some Authority Stopped people from fleeing and Someone restricted water during the fires then yes there is real Evil at work here. But you are not looking deep enough, something like this requires Power beyond Power deep Black on Black things you will never get to the bottom of.

Walk away there is nothing you can do.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
a reply to: ancientlight

Too much doesn't add up. Just answer one question. Why did the police block people from leaving? What good reason could there have been ? They were fleeing being burned alive, but were blocked. Why?

Walk away there is nothing you can do.

Tell that to the loved ones of the dead and missing.

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: ancientlight

As with insider trading, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Zuckerberg et al may have had some 'insider' tips to be ready to invest biggly in Lahaina property but as for the planning? I seriously doubt they're at that level of 'need to know'.

As long as the rich and famous can profit, they probably don't even want to ask questions. The damage is done, so why not capitalize on it eh?

Yes, maybe. But they know that it was deliberate. She knows. She just looks guilty handing out the stupid pillows, her body language and everything. She makes me want to vomit, so fake and just screams evil.

Well, most rich, famous and powerful people have a high degree of narcissism statistically. And they sleep as well as poor people who aren't narcissists.

Hating them doesn't hurt them in the least; they have their own tribe of adorers.

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: ancientlight

As with insider trading, Gates, Bezos, Oprah, Zuckerberg et al may have had some 'insider' tips to be ready to invest biggly in Lahaina property but as for the planning? I seriously doubt they're at that level of 'need to know'.

As long as the rich and famous can profit, they probably don't even want to ask questions. The damage is done, so why not capitalize on it eh?

Yes, maybe. But they know that it was deliberate. She knows. She just looks guilty handing out the stupid pillows, her body language and everything. She makes me want to vomit, so fake and just screams evil.

Well, most rich, famous and powerful people have a high degree of narcissism statistically. And they sleep as well as poor people who aren't narcissists.

Hating them doesn't hurt them in the least; they have their own tribe of adorers.

So how does ignoring this possible deliberate act of arson hurt them? Oh that's right, it doesn't either.
It just that this is evil act #4989999999 , it doesn't end. It will never end. But ignoring it will certainly keep it going.

we have to try to connect the dots and at least try to wake up more to the corruption.

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A comment in this video:
"HAWAII: We checked the school buses depot before they go out to pick up the children full of buses. But we are looking now for the school buses that dropped off the children and we can’t find the returned school buses back in their parking lot. We don’t see any bunt buses anywhere so where are the school buses and the children. You are right we need to look at the cameras by the shipping docks. Unbelievable!"


So it looks like not only a land grab, but also child trafficking.

originally posted by: ancientlight
a reply to: nugget1

It's so frustrating ,because nothing about this fire adds up. Why in the world would police block people wanting to leave?
They'd do that if they want them dead (no pesky witnesses) . The water thing is atrocious. Because of 'equity' and 'inclusivity' it was turned off? Where are the police chiefs , the maui governer ,etc. Why are they not demanding answers?

It's obvious it was a landgrab, and my biggest concern is that this is just the start. What island/city/state could be next ?
The evil rich will stop at nothing, as they already own everything they could ever want, except just that last bit more of power.

I'm not specifically challenging YOU, just the general assumptions people are making on this forum about the Maui fires. I live in Hawaii although not on Maui Island. Everything you all seem to think is suspicious is better explained by the widespread incompetence here. Why did the police block people from leaving? Because they are freaking incompetent! Why did the sirens not get sounded? Again, incompetence! No water to fight the fires? Incompetence to not have backup power and/or tanker trucks. If you live here and deal with the incompetence on a daily basis, none of this looks suspicious at all.

originally posted by: ancientlight
a reply to: ancientlight

A comment in this video:
"HAWAII: We checked the school buses depot before they go out to pick up the children full of buses. But we are looking now for the school buses that dropped off the children and we can’t find the returned school buses back in their parking lot. We don’t see any bunt buses anywhere so where are the school buses and the children. You are right we need to look at the cameras by the shipping docks. Unbelievable!"


So it looks like not only a land grab, but also child trafficking.

Another thing to know about Hawaii is that it is like a small town, especially everywhere but Oahu (Honolulu). I have relatives on Maui and know dozens of people with family or friends there. If anything like widespread child trafficking were happening people would be talking about it. We have something called the coconut wireless and it is usually more reliable than the news.

But let's say those morons are correct, that the school busses never made it back to the depots. Let's say they dropped busloads of kids at the port to be trafficked, where DID they hide the busses. Use your brain people! And not your fault for not knowing this but most school busses in Hawaii are not operated by the schools. School transportation is contracted out to private companies. So there really are no school bus depots on the neighbor islands like Maui.

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From a comment below this video:

"Maui passed legislation just a few weeks ago that states that, in the case of a wildfire, the government can take your land. Strange timing for sure. This was passed before the fire."


That's too much of a coincidence. People need to wake up!

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: ancientlight

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ancientlight

You make a very wild claim here AL. Very wild. As you seem to have taken this notion so seriously, what other sources of information do you have to share with us to substantiate this claim. Other than this blogger. Please help us understand why you have settled on this belief.

Too much doesn't add up. Just answer one question. Why did the police block people from leaving? What good reason could there have been ?
They were fleeing being burned alive, but were blocked. Why?

I don't know.

Stupid cops maybe?
Miss communication from headquarters maybe?
False reports by witnesses maybe?

Those are just guesses cuz I don't know. But I'm not the one making this wild claim with nothing but one blogger to back up the claim. So, do you or don't you have more to offer us concerning your claim. A police report maybe. Maybe a retracted police report. Anything

Not stupid cops. A deliberate act.