Can Men Play in Womens Sports? White House Dodges the Question saying it's 'Complicated'.

a reply to: quintessentone

nvm

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Christian right bandwagon thoughts can never be disregarded when discussing topics such as these.

That's your 'woke tolerance' showing again. Nothing about this speaks to 'christian right bandwagon'. This is about the BIDEN ADMINISTRATION refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. And it is very simple. Can men play against women or not, yes or no. They refuse to answer. Typical politicians.

Am I awake, yes, and that is the correct term.

They did answer, it's complicated and it is complicated because it has to do with when transitioning started (before puberty) and how that affected the person's physical state before after puberty. Not only that but each specific sport utilizes different physical attributes, which, may or may not have been retained by the transperson.

These are the complications that need to be investigated and if it is found that any physical advantages have been 'carried over' then I agree that this is an advantage over others and that person should be disqualified.

Children don't transition into anything especially before puberty, children play at life because they have no concept of it, they just soak up their environment, so when you consider that schools are actively encourage vulnerable children that haven't developed any concept of themselves or their environment to transition, can you see that at best it's short sighted and immature, and at worst evil?

Generalizations won't get us anywhere.

Who's generalising? children play at life until they reach an age where they don't, that's why they're targeted so young in regards to transitioning, like I said it's short sighted and immature at best to be encouraging children to transition, evil at worst.

Some children play at life others suffer crisis.

Children only suffer crisis if it's imposed upon them otherwise they are being children, no child on planet earth has ever had a crisis in regards to their gender unless it's intentionally suggested to them that they have one because children have no concept of gender????

They only know how they feel about things and if a boy wants to dress like a girl and play with dolls and the parents' reactions are in opposition, that creates crisis within the child.

No it doesn't because a boy who want's to dress as a girl and play with dolls has no concept of gender, he's just playing in his own little world, he's behaving like a child, not being able to dress as a girl will have the same effect on him as not being able to play in the mud, just kids behaving like kids is all.

Right, with no concept of gender that boy still wants to dress up as girls do and do as girls do, without outside or inside influences.

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

Neuroscience studies have results that explain this phenomenon beyond question.

wrong at best it is questionable, here is a one study,

Although the evidence is presently inconsistent, it suggests that while the brain structure, at least before hormonal treatment, is more similar to sex assigned at birth, it may shift with hormonal treatment. By contrast, on “sex-stereotypical tasks,” brain function may already be more similar to gender identity in transgender persons, also before receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment. However, studies continue to be limited by small sample sizes and new initiatives are needed to further elucidate the neurobiology of a ‘brain gender’ (sex-dimorphic change according to one’s gender).

Neuroscience in transgender people: an update

Yes, that study does not state the brain structure MRI shows any transgendered changes during fetal development but on a cis brain and resulting effects with hormone treatment.

What's a cis brain, do you mean a normal brain against an abnormal transgender brain?

There is no normal or abnormal, just a toss of the DNA dice in that regards.

Yes there is, an abnormal brain would believe they are of a different sex to the sex they were born, a normal brain wouldn't, so does a cis brain constitute a normal brain?

Again, you can disagree but it's a DNA toss of the dice.

Transgender people are homosexuals, a guy who feels like a women is a gay guy and a woman who feels like a man is a gay woman, so the whole transgender phenomenon is based on sexual preference and we're imposing that on our kids, very sick.

Where is your source for that?

I'm conscious of my environment, if a man is so convinced he is a woman that he's willing to have surgery, then his sexual preference will be a part of that determination.

Well you do your reality and I'll do the science thing. Good luck with that.

What science are you talking about and what does science have to do with a man who feels like a woman being sexually attracted to men? What nonsense are you talking about?

The science of transgendered brains at the fetal developmental stages.

There is no science on the development of a transgender brain at the fetal stage?

Let's put it this way there is proof of hormonal factors affecting brain structure changes during transgendered people's brains during the fetal stage.

So drugs can have an effect of a foetus in this regard.

No this happens to the transgendered person during their brain's fetal development stage, no drugs involved.

originally posted by: bastion
Does the White House have any say in the matter?.

Political sway on congress and senate by making opinion or stand on issues known.
Eventually congress and senate will make a stand on this issue.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

nvm

Believe me I don't mind.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

Neuroscience studies have results that explain this phenomenon beyond question.

wrong at best it is questionable, here is a one study,

Although the evidence is presently inconsistent, it suggests that while the brain structure, at least before hormonal treatment, is more similar to sex assigned at birth, it may shift with hormonal treatment. By contrast, on “sex-stereotypical tasks,” brain function may already be more similar to gender identity in transgender persons, also before receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment. However, studies continue to be limited by small sample sizes and new initiatives are needed to further elucidate the neurobiology of a ‘brain gender’ (sex-dimorphic change according to one’s gender).

Neuroscience in transgender people: an update

Yes, that study does not state the brain structure MRI shows any transgendered changes during fetal development but on a cis brain and resulting effects with hormone treatment.

What's a cis brain, do you mean a normal brain against an abnormal transgender brain?

There is no normal or abnormal, just a toss of the DNA dice in that regards.

Yes there is, an abnormal brain would believe they are of a different sex to the sex they were born, a normal brain wouldn't, so does a cis brain constitute a normal brain?

Again, you can disagree but it's a DNA toss of the dice.

Transgender people are homosexuals, a guy who feels like a women is a gay guy and a woman who feels like a man is a gay woman, so the whole transgender phenomenon is based on sexual preference and we're imposing that on our kids, very sick.

Where is your source for that?

I'm conscious of my environment, if a man is so convinced he is a woman that he's willing to have surgery, then his sexual preference will be a part of that determination.

Well you do your reality and I'll do the science thing. Good luck with that.

What science are you talking about and what does science have to do with a man who feels like a woman being sexually attracted to men? What nonsense are you talking about?

The science of transgendered brains at the fetal developmental stages.

There is no science on the development of a transgender brain at the fetal stage?

Let's put it this way there is proof of hormonal factors affecting brain structure changes during transgendered people's brains during the fetal stage.

So drugs can have an effect of a foetus in this regard.

No this happens to the transgendered person during their brain's fetal development stage, no drugs involved.

Drugs in our environment.

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

Neuroscience studies have results that explain this phenomenon beyond question.

wrong at best it is questionable, here is a one study,

Although the evidence is presently inconsistent, it suggests that while the brain structure, at least before hormonal treatment, is more similar to sex assigned at birth, it may shift with hormonal treatment. By contrast, on “sex-stereotypical tasks,” brain function may already be more similar to gender identity in transgender persons, also before receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment. However, studies continue to be limited by small sample sizes and new initiatives are needed to further elucidate the neurobiology of a ‘brain gender’ (sex-dimorphic change according to one’s gender).

Neuroscience in transgender people: an update

Yes, that study does not state the brain structure MRI shows any transgendered changes during fetal development but on a cis brain and resulting effects with hormone treatment.

What's a cis brain, do you mean a normal brain against an abnormal transgender brain?

There is no normal or abnormal, just a toss of the DNA dice in that regards.

Yes there is, an abnormal brain would believe they are of a different sex to the sex they were born, a normal brain wouldn't, so does a cis brain constitute a normal brain?

Again, you can disagree but it's a DNA toss of the dice.

Transgender people are homosexuals, a guy who feels like a women is a gay guy and a woman who feels like a man is a gay woman, so the whole transgender phenomenon is based on sexual preference and we're imposing that on our kids, very sick.

Where is your source for that?

I'm conscious of my environment, if a man is so convinced he is a woman that he's willing to have surgery, then his sexual preference will be a part of that determination.

Well you do your reality and I'll do the science thing. Good luck with that.

What science are you talking about and what does science have to do with a man who feels like a woman being sexually attracted to men? What nonsense are you talking about?

The science of transgendered brains at the fetal developmental stages.

There is no science on the development of a transgender brain at the fetal stage?

Let's put it this way there is proof of hormonal factors affecting brain structure changes during transgendered people's brains during the fetal stage.

So drugs can have an effect of a foetus in this regard.

No this happens to the transgendered person during their brain's fetal development stage, no drugs involved.

Drugs in our environment.

The scientists attributed it to DNA causing those types of brains structure changes, but the research continues and we may soon find out that it may be toxins in our environment. Why rule anything out?

a reply to: quintessentone

I know you don't mind derailing the thread even more, I decided to stop the derailment.

scientific American is biased, I'm sure

Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability.

“Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Christian right bandwagon thoughts can never be disregarded when discussing topics such as these.

That's your 'woke tolerance' showing again. Nothing about this speaks to 'christian right bandwagon'. This is about the BIDEN ADMINISTRATION refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. And it is very simple. Can men play against women or not, yes or no. They refuse to answer. Typical politicians.

Am I awake, yes, and that is the correct term.

They did answer, it's complicated and it is complicated because it has to do with when transitioning started (before puberty) and how that affected the person's physical state before after puberty. Not only that but each specific sport utilizes different physical attributes, which, may or may not have been retained by the transperson.

These are the complications that need to be investigated and if it is found that any physical advantages have been 'carried over' then I agree that this is an advantage over others and that person should be disqualified.

Children don't transition into anything especially before puberty, children play at life because they have no concept of it, they just soak up their environment, so when you consider that schools are actively encourage vulnerable children that haven't developed any concept of themselves or their environment to transition, can you see that at best it's short sighted and immature, and at worst evil?

Generalizations won't get us anywhere.

Who's generalising? children play at life until they reach an age where they don't, that's why they're targeted so young in regards to transitioning, like I said it's short sighted and immature at best to be encouraging children to transition, evil at worst.

Some children play at life others suffer crisis.

Children only suffer crisis if it's imposed upon them otherwise they are being children, no child on planet earth has ever had a crisis in regards to their gender unless it's intentionally suggested to them that they have one because children have no concept of gender????

They only know how they feel about things and if a boy wants to dress like a girl and play with dolls and the parents' reactions are in opposition, that creates crisis within the child.

No it doesn't because a boy who want's to dress as a girl and play with dolls has no concept of gender, he's just playing in his own little world, he's behaving like a child, not being able to dress as a girl will have the same effect on him as not being able to play in the mud, just kids behaving like kids is all.

Right, with no concept of gender that boy still wants to dress up as girls do and do as girls do, without outside or inside influences.

There's male and female influences from the day we are born, from the moment we take our first breath we are influenced by our environment, my son used to run up and down the living room looking behind himself to see if smoke came out when he ran because he had been watching cartoons? at the age he was he believed it to be so, so he played at it as all children do?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

I know you don't mind derailing the thread even more, I decided to stop the derailment.

Sure go with that.

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Christian right bandwagon thoughts can never be disregarded when discussing topics such as these.

That's your 'woke tolerance' showing again. Nothing about this speaks to 'christian right bandwagon'. This is about the BIDEN ADMINISTRATION refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. And it is very simple. Can men play against women or not, yes or no. They refuse to answer. Typical politicians.

Am I awake, yes, and that is the correct term.

They did answer, it's complicated and it is complicated because it has to do with when transitioning started (before puberty) and how that affected the person's physical state before after puberty. Not only that but each specific sport utilizes different physical attributes, which, may or may not have been retained by the transperson.

These are the complications that need to be investigated and if it is found that any physical advantages have been 'carried over' then I agree that this is an advantage over others and that person should be disqualified.

Children don't transition into anything especially before puberty, children play at life because they have no concept of it, they just soak up their environment, so when you consider that schools are actively encourage vulnerable children that haven't developed any concept of themselves or their environment to transition, can you see that at best it's short sighted and immature, and at worst evil?

Generalizations won't get us anywhere.

Who's generalising? children play at life until they reach an age where they don't, that's why they're targeted so young in regards to transitioning, like I said it's short sighted and immature at best to be encouraging children to transition, evil at worst.

Some children play at life others suffer crisis.

Children only suffer crisis if it's imposed upon them otherwise they are being children, no child on planet earth has ever had a crisis in regards to their gender unless it's intentionally suggested to them that they have one because children have no concept of gender????

They only know how they feel about things and if a boy wants to dress like a girl and play with dolls and the parents' reactions are in opposition, that creates crisis within the child.

No it doesn't because a boy who want's to dress as a girl and play with dolls has no concept of gender, he's just playing in his own little world, he's behaving like a child, not being able to dress as a girl will have the same effect on him as not being able to play in the mud, just kids behaving like kids is all.

Right, with no concept of gender that boy still wants to dress up as girls do and do as girls do, without outside or inside influences.

There's male and female influences from the day we are born, from the moment we take our first breath we are influenced by our environment, my son used to run up and down the living room looking behind himself to see if smoke came out when he ran because he had been watching cartoons? at the age he was he believed it to be so, so he played at it as all children do?

Absolutely then there is waiting it out to see what happens in later puberty and early adulthood because what you feel and want to express won't go away.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
The Christian right bandwagon thoughts can never be disregarded when discussing topics such as these.

That's your 'woke tolerance' showing again. Nothing about this speaks to 'christian right bandwagon'. This is about the BIDEN ADMINISTRATION refusing to answer a simple yes or no question. And it is very simple. Can men play against women or not, yes or no. They refuse to answer. Typical politicians.

Am I awake, yes, and that is the correct term.

They did answer, it's complicated and it is complicated because it has to do with when transitioning started (before puberty) and how that affected the person's physical state before after puberty. Not only that but each specific sport utilizes different physical attributes, which, may or may not have been retained by the transperson.

These are the complications that need to be investigated and if it is found that any physical advantages have been 'carried over' then I agree that this is an advantage over others and that person should be disqualified.

Children don't transition into anything especially before puberty, children play at life because they have no concept of it, they just soak up their environment, so when you consider that schools are actively encourage vulnerable children that haven't developed any concept of themselves or their environment to transition, can you see that at best it's short sighted and immature, and at worst evil?

Generalizations won't get us anywhere.

Who's generalising? children play at life until they reach an age where they don't, that's why they're targeted so young in regards to transitioning, like I said it's short sighted and immature at best to be encouraging children to transition, evil at worst.

Some children play at life others suffer crisis.

Children only suffer crisis if it's imposed upon them otherwise they are being children, no child on planet earth has ever had a crisis in regards to their gender unless it's intentionally suggested to them that they have one because children have no concept of gender????

They only know how they feel about things and if a boy wants to dress like a girl and play with dolls and the parents' reactions are in opposition, that creates crisis within the child.

No it doesn't because a boy who want's to dress as a girl and play with dolls has no concept of gender, he's just playing in his own little world, he's behaving like a child, not being able to dress as a girl will have the same effect on him as not being able to play in the mud, just kids behaving like kids is all.

Right, with no concept of gender that boy still wants to dress up as girls do and do as girls do, without outside or inside influences.

There's male and female influences from the day we are born, from the moment we take our first breath we are influenced by our environment, my son used to run up and down the living room looking behind himself to see if smoke came out when he ran because he had been watching cartoons? at the age he was he believed it to be so, so he played at it as all children do?

Absolutely then there is waiting it out to see what happens in later puberty and early adulthood because what you feel and want to express won't go away.

If someone in their twenties wanted to transition then fair enough but children play at life, they don't have the mental capacity to realise the monumental repercussions of their decisions.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone

And it is, again, we want to make sure that while we establish bound [guard] rails with this rule, that we also prevent discrimination as well against transgender kids. Again, a complicated issue,' she said.

They are being responsible by not jumping on the discriminatory and persecution Christian right bandwagon.

And, BTW, it is complicated.

please explain the "complicated" part with only logic, you can disregard the "Christian right bandwagon" thoughts.

The Christian right bandwagon thoughts can never be disregarded when discussing topics such as these.

no, just use logic and science. Trust the science.

I bet you can't.

Clue us in on the science you use for your stance in this so called logic and science. I bet you can't.

Does science provide a way for a man to become a woman? If not, why?

I asked you to post the science you rely on for your stance, where is it?

It's called Biology. Check into it and let me know if you can find the part that explains how a man can physically become a woman. I'll give you a hint, it's not possible. If you need further clarification, you aren't mentally equipped to have this talk.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

Neuroscience studies have results that explain this phenomenon beyond question.

wrong at best it is questionable, here is a one study,

Although the evidence is presently inconsistent, it suggests that while the brain structure, at least before hormonal treatment, is more similar to sex assigned at birth, it may shift with hormonal treatment. By contrast, on “sex-stereotypical tasks,” brain function may already be more similar to gender identity in transgender persons, also before receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment. However, studies continue to be limited by small sample sizes and new initiatives are needed to further elucidate the neurobiology of a ‘brain gender’ (sex-dimorphic change according to one’s gender).

Neuroscience in transgender people: an update

Yes, that study does not state the brain structure MRI shows any transgendered changes during fetal development but on a cis brain and resulting effects with hormone treatment.

What's a cis brain, do you mean a normal brain against an abnormal transgender brain?

There is no normal or abnormal, just a toss of the DNA dice in that regards.

Yes there is, an abnormal brain would believe they are of a different sex to the sex they were born, a normal brain wouldn't, so does a cis brain constitute a normal brain?

Again, you can disagree but it's a DNA toss of the dice.

Transgender people are homosexuals, a guy who feels like a women is a gay guy and a woman who feels like a man is a gay woman, so the whole transgender phenomenon is based on sexual preference and we're imposing that on our kids, very sick.

Where is your source for that?

I'm conscious of my environment, if a man is so convinced he is a woman that he's willing to have surgery, then his sexual preference will be a part of that determination.

Well you do your reality and I'll do the science thing. Good luck with that.

What science are you talking about and what does science have to do with a man who feels like a woman being sexually attracted to men? What nonsense are you talking about?

The science of transgendered brains at the fetal developmental stages.

There is no science on the development of a transgender brain at the fetal stage?

Let's put it this way there is proof of hormonal factors affecting brain structure changes during transgendered people's brains during the fetal stage.

So drugs can have an effect of a foetus in this regard.

No this happens to the transgendered person during their brain's fetal development stage, no drugs involved.

Drugs in our environment.

Why rule anything out?

Because men believing they're women and vice versa is abnormal maybe?

a reply to: quintessentone

Childhoods is about games and plays... so you really think if boy dress up like a woman he is a woman? Role playing is normal. My brother had fun time once when he put dress on and played, he is straight with 5 children and childhood was just a childhoods play. My son found my halloween costume and wig and put them on, had fun playing and even today when i watch these photos i took of him playing with costume gives me happy thoughts, he actually looked like a girl.. he didn´t magically transformed to woman either. My hubby used this same wig in a day we were moving to our new home , He looked ridiculous loading household stuff in a car.. people saw and laughted at him... that was his sense of humour..

Everyone loves to play.. it does not magically change gender...

You failed to answer to my other post.. why ?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: bastion
Does the White House have any say in the matter?.

Political sway on congress and senate by making opinion or stand on issues known.
Eventually congress and senate will make a stand on this issue.

Thanks for the info.

A blanket ban at coaching or club level would harm both men and womens sports in as they've always been mixed groups and played as a hobby or for fun; but it's importat to keep them segregated at elite/pro level/college tournaments in the interests of fairness for most sports.

Open or mixed catagories work running alongside womens divisions but there should be a ban on most contact sports in the interest of safety such as the RFU one for Rugby.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: quintessentone
Neuroscience says the brain tells the tale.

You didn't answer the question.
If a person has Y chromosome is that person Boy or a Girl ? What does science say ?

What does that person's brain MRI tell us?

I once had a mushroom pizza, and after eating it, strange things happened. One of which was my dog had a conversation with me. He spoke perfect English. Now I suppose it's possible that I was just able to communicate with my dog out of sheer luck, or the mushrooms were not the kind you usually put on pizza. Based on other events of that day, I have to side with the mushrooms being wrong theory. Point is, my mind lied to me.

If you do an autopsy of the bones, what do you find? A man is a man, and a woman is a woman.

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Cwantas

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: quintessentone

Neuroscience studies have results that explain this phenomenon beyond question.

wrong at best it is questionable, here is a one study,

Although the evidence is presently inconsistent, it suggests that while the brain structure, at least before hormonal treatment, is more similar to sex assigned at birth, it may shift with hormonal treatment. By contrast, on “sex-stereotypical tasks,” brain function may already be more similar to gender identity in transgender persons, also before receiving gender-affirming hormone treatment. However, studies continue to be limited by small sample sizes and new initiatives are needed to further elucidate the neurobiology of a ‘brain gender’ (sex-dimorphic change according to one’s gender).

Neuroscience in transgender people: an update

Yes, that study does not state the brain structure MRI shows any transgendered changes during fetal development but on a cis brain and resulting effects with hormone treatment.

What's a cis brain, do you mean a normal brain against an abnormal transgender brain?

There is no normal or abnormal, just a toss of the DNA dice in that regards.

Yes there is, an abnormal brain would believe they are of a different sex to the sex they were born, a normal brain wouldn't, so does a cis brain constitute a normal brain?

Again, you can disagree but it's a DNA toss of the dice.

Transgender people are homosexuals, a guy who feels like a women is a gay guy and a woman who feels like a man is a gay woman, so the whole transgender phenomenon is based on sexual preference and we're imposing that on our kids, very sick.

Where is your source for that?

I'm conscious of my environment, if a man is so convinced he is a woman that he's willing to have surgery, then his sexual preference will be a part of that determination.

Well you do your reality and I'll do the science thing. Good luck with that.

What science are you talking about and what does science have to do with a man who feels like a woman being sexually attracted to men? What nonsense are you talking about?

The science of transgendered brains at the fetal developmental stages.

There is no science on the development of a transgender brain at the fetal stage?

Let's put it this way there is proof of hormonal factors affecting brain structure changes during transgendered people's brains during the fetal stage.

So drugs can have an effect of a foetus in this regard.

No this happens to the transgendered person during their brain's fetal development stage, no drugs involved.

Drugs in our environment.

Why rule anything out?

Because men believing they're women and vice versa is abnormal maybe?

That may be the case for some not all, again generalizations.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: quintessentone

Childhoods is about games and plays... so you really think if boy dress up like a woman he is a woman? Role playing is normal. My brother had fun time once when he put dress on and played, he is straight with 5 children and childhood was just a childhoods play. My son found my halloween costume and wig and put them on, had fun playing and even today when i watch these photos i took of him playing with costume gives me happy thoughts, he actually looked like a girl.. he didn´t magically transformed to woman either. My hubby used this same wig in a day we were moving to our new home , He looked ridiculous loading household stuff in a car.. people saw and laughted at him... that was his sense of humour..

Everyone loves to play.. it does not magically change gender...

You failed to answer to my other post.. why ?

That's not the issue, the issue is if they feel the same way into puberty and beyond.