There's not enough time in the world for mutations to create new proteins

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: rounda

Religions explain that.

Not really, man is still imperfect without hereditary diseases....

In Buddhism, it's Dukkha. In Jainism, it's evil divinities. Christianity and Spiritualism have demons...

But Judaism explains it pretty clearly. We suffer because we are imperfect. We are cursed because we are imperfect.

Gen 3
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

a reply to: rounda


So...didn't really answer anything. We both agreed man is imperfect and of course that needed explaining as to why perfection would make something imperfect.

So did god come up with all these random diseases or did they come about due to the imperfections of evolution?

originally posted by: cooperton

It's recorded in the fall of humankind in Genesis. I know you have Bible-phobia though, so you can also refer to any of the recorded golden ages of most cultures, which describe an ancient prestigious humankind where health and longevity were prototypical.

The Bible has a lot of good historical information, so no, I'm not in fear of it. Well God picked some really F uped diseases... Yea God!

originally posted by: Xtrozero

The Bible has a lot of good historical information, so no, I'm not in fear of it. Well God picked some really F uped diseases... Yea God!

Death and disease come from sin, ignoring the prototype of Christ. We have free will to choose, there are consequences for deviating from the user manual.

originally posted by: cooperton

Death and disease come from sin, ignoring the prototype of Christ. We have free will to choose, there are consequences for deviating from the user manual.

Well, tell that to the 2 year old that dies of a hereditary disease.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Well, tell that to the 2 year old that dies of a hereditary disease.

Nah it would be the parents that ought to have known, they're the ones giving the child the genome, good or bad. Believe it or not there are cause and effect mechanisms in this world, and neglecting the basics of a healthy mind, body, and soul has consequences. God literally warned us this was the case....

originally posted by: cooperton
God literally warned us this was the case....

Come now Coop... we all know that you first have to prove the existence of God before you can claim that He warned us about anything.

originally posted by: Kreeate

Come now Coop... we all know that you first have to prove the existence of God before you can claim that He warned us about anything.

I just did the calculations for the existence of God for Coop and it surprisingly came out to also be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...
...000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 .

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Well, tell that to the 2 year old that dies of a hereditary disease.

Nah it would be the parents that ought to have known, they're the ones giving the child the genome, good or bad. Believe it or not there are cause and effect mechanisms in this world, and neglecting the basics of a healthy mind, body, and soul has consequences. God literally warned us this was the case....

I know you can't see it, but only an extremely sick mind would think this way and believe it.

You're saying that your 'loving' god, to punish some past deed, would cripple or kill the innocent child of a future generation? It isn't a god you worship, it's a demon.

Your particular cult is for the mentally deranged. It's despicable.

originally posted by: Kreeate

Come now Coop... we all know that you first have to prove the existence of God before you can claim that He warned us about anything.

I shouldn't have gave in to the thread drift lol, we stayed on topic for about 4 pages that's not too bad

originally posted by: Xtrozero


I just did the calculations for the existence of God for Coop and it surprisingly came out to also be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...
...000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 .

Haha touche. But God is by nature unempirical, just like a 2D object cannot fully grasp what it means to have 3-dimensional width. It is the same with God. But this post was about science, science is based on empirical data. And Those were their numbers from a peer-reviewed journal article, I did not just make it up

originally posted by: TerraLiga


You're saying that your 'loving' god, to punish some past deed, would cripple or kill the innocent child of a future generation? It isn't a god you worship, it's a demon.

Your particular cult is for the mentally deranged. It's despicable.

Buddy, There are consequences for action. If you go kill yourself it's not God's fault. If you drink too much coca cola and get diabetes it's not God's fault.

a reply to: cooperton

Still you can't see it. It's blind insanity.

If I do those things, I suffer the consequences. My child or grandchild doesn't suffer from diabetes, I do.

I'm shocked and disgusted somebody could think this way.

originally posted by: TerraLiga

If I do those things, I suffer the consequences. My child or grandchild doesn't suffer from diabetes, I do.

The specific example was a 2 year old. Where do you think birth defects come from? Just a total roll of the dice? No, there are cause and effects for birth defects. Smoke cigs or drink alcohol during pregnancy, and you are more likely to have problems with your child.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

Can I refer to other cultures for their origin and creation beliefs?

I mean, how much more or less true can they be compared to the Bible?

How does this Golden Age fit into the Bible? Where is it?

Because I remember sin coming into the picture asap, and other than long lives, nothing but wars and such. Doesn't sound like a very golden age to me.

Not to mention those other cultures weren't worshipping your God.

It would warrant it's own thread, I will post it some time next week probably. All the major players, the Nephilim, the Annunaki, the Titans, and the rest from the various cultures are describing the same event. Our history is much more phenomenal than we were lead to believe. That's why the mutant ape stuff throws off our identity and our true history

.

Excellent thread as usual, thanks for the great work! I marvel every time I witness the cellular machinery doing its thing - we are indeed "..fearfully & wonderfully made".

The more we discover the truer that statement becomes!

a reply to: cooperton

So sinners should not have children?

A child through no fault of its own may miss out on God's gift?

Just wondering if I'm understanding that line of thinking.

a reply to: cooperton

Fair enough. I'll hold off on other questions and comments, for the appropriate thread.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Excellent thread as usual, thanks for the great work! I marvel every time I witness the cellular machinery doing its thing - we are indeed "..fearfully & wonderfully made".

The more we discover the truer that statement becomes!

Yeah it is wild that they allowed a peer-reviewed research paper that essentially says it is not possible for new enzyme folds to emerge. Maybe they didn't do the extended math, applying it to the average mutation rate of bacteria and the estimated number of all bacteria on the planet. Notice how no one has mathematically challenged any of the numbers?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: cooperton

So sinners should not have children?

Ideally parents would maximize the health of their mind body and soul before having kids.

A child through no fault of its own may miss out on God's gift?

No child of God can be taken out of God's hands. There are many children of Satan too (Matthew 13:24-43). A lot of the cookie-cutter responses you hear from Christians aren't necessarily what Jesus said. Just like scientists can defame the name of science, that doesn't mean we throw out science entirely just because of a few mis-representative emissaries.

a reply to: cooperton

Maybe they didn't do the extended math, applying it to the average mutation rate of bacteria and the estimated number of all bacteria on the planet.

Yet there may be average mutation rates, then there may be rare mutation rates. Maybe nobody can get the math right because it's all just theory.

Sinner is a big word with many definitions and/or interpretations from different belief systems.

originally posted by: quintessentone

Yet there may be average mutation rates, then there may be rare mutation rates. Maybe nobody can get the math right because it's all just theory.

They need trillions and trillions of multipliers though. The mutation rate could be trillions of times more likely and all the time in the world is still remarkably short.

27,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years is a lot of time. No one so far has argued the details of the numbers, because I got the numbers from peer-reviewed journals - their gospel.

Sinner is a big word with many definitions and/or interpretations from different belief systems.

To me it means a deviation from archetype. Archetype being Christ's philosophy. Deviate from the user manual and you're susceptible to the issues that coincide with not being joined to the perfect.