One of UK's most prolific serial killer is convicted of murdering 7 babies and for 6 murder attempts

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AlienBorg

BBC News - Lucy Letby to appeal against baby murder convictions
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She's applying for permission to appeal her conviction.

The CPS may apply for a retrial of the charges that the jury were unable to decide.

From the BBC article

Summing up at the end of her trial, judge Mr Justice Goss told the jury it was a case in which the prosecution "substantially, but not wholly" relied on circumstantial evidence.

This is a very powerful statement and in my view they need to examine whether the evidence used was only circumstantial. The video I ve linked earlier says that almost all evidence used against Letby was circumstantial.

It also discusses the fact the decisions were not unanimous in most of the charges against her which implies there were some jurors who thought she was innocent. I don't know whether the judge can take the majority view in these cases or he could have dismissed them if he wanted so.

a reply to: AlienBorg

"But not wholly".

Circumstantial, maybe. But an awful lot of it.

It implies nothing of the sort.

It means they couldn't decide.

a reply to: AlienBorg and

I haven't read the Judge's summing up but I do know that it would have been very lengthy and detailed including very detailed and careful directions to them about the evidence etc.

Not just a one sentence soundbite.

Here a useful link.

The Judge's summing up and directions to the Jury took about 4 days:

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AlienBorg

"But not wholly".

Circumstantial, maybe. But an awful lot of it.

It implies nothing of the sort.

It means they couldn't decide.

Yes, not wholly but substantially, which I understand this to be a lot and most of the evidence seems to be circumstantial.

a reply to: quintessentone

sewer gas causes embolisms

Source please! I won't hold my breath.
This is the most ridiculous claim ever!
If it was true people would be dropping dead all over the place.
Another ridiculous attempt trying to defend Letby.
You cannot come up with anything to prove she never committed the awful crimes she was convicted of.

News headline....

"NHS boss in charge of hospital where evil Lucy Letby murdered seven babies quit a month after she was arrested - before moving to south France for a life of luxury with £1.8m pension pot and villa with a pool - as families demand he faces a public inquiry" dailymailonline.

Looks like Ian Harvey might have to come back to England and face the music.

That's if he can be found:

They added that, upon asking him whether he thought there would be an inquiry after Letby's arrest, he said: 'They would have to find me first.'  He then moved 800 miles away to the Dordogne region.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
News headline....

"NHS boss in charge of hospital where evil Lucy Letby murdered seven babies quit a month after she was arrested - before moving to south France for a life of luxury with £1.8m pension pot and villa with a pool - as families demand he faces a public inquiry" dailymailonline.

Looks like Ian Harvey might have to come back to England and face the music.

That's if he can be found:

They added that, upon asking him whether he thought there would be an inquiry after Letby's arrest, he said: 'They would have to find me first.'  He then moved 800 miles away to the Dordogne region.

Something smells bad...

a reply to: AlienBorg

Everyone thinks he ran away because he didn't take the consultants accusations seriously and allowed Lucy to carry on killing......

But he might know the true reason babies were dying......including all the ones that Lucy was not accused of.

Dewi Evans was originally given 30 - 33 cases to look into...... before he chopped them down to something like 8.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: AlienBorg

Everyone thinks he ran away because he didn't take the consultants accusations seriously and allowed Lucy to carry on killing......

But he might know the true reason babies were dying......including all the ones that Lucy was not accused of.

Dewi Evans was given 30 - 33 cases to look at originally before he chopped them down to something like 8.

I agree we don't know much about this case. And it seems there could be many more individuals involved. It's interesting to see whether Lucy Letby gets an appeal. But I think everyone has the right to an appeal.

If you wish to view the above video on yt and read the comments....you will need to put david kurten after the title, otherwise you will not find it.

a reply to: nolabel

I just rodded my drains to our septic tank. Yuk.

Lots of sewer gas.

No embolism.

Just a silly claim.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: nolabel

I just rodded my drains to our septic tank. Yuk.

Lots of sewer gas.

No embolism.

Just a silly claim.

You are not a preemie with lung problems and at a lower level to inhale more fumes, so think on that a while.

nursingnotes.co.uk...

Court of Appeal staff on Friday confirmed they had received an application for permission to appeal the 14 whole-life orders she was sentenced to earlier this month.

I am just reading through past hospital inspections.

This inspection was performed Feb. 2016 (Lucy Letby was removed from the unit in June 2016):

Staff generally followed good practice guidance in relation to the control and prevention of infection in line with trust policies and procedures.

The maternity service had closed six times during 2015 due to staff activity. This had been managed safely through the escalation policy, which involved working with other local maternity services and emergency ambulance services.

Clinical areas at the point of care were visibly clean; however, we did identify some cleanliness issues in urgent and emergency services, outpatients and in non clinical areas specifically related to an area within maternity services.

Between April 2015 to December 2015, there were two cases of MRSA bacteraemia reported across the trust. Lessons from all cases were disseminated to staff for learning across directorates.

The hospital undertook early screening for infections including MRSA during patient admissions and preoperative assessments. This meant that staff could identify and isolate patients early to help prevent the spread of infection.

api.cqc.org.uk...

Bacteraemia:

Determining the primary source of infection is critical in the management of a patient with bacteremia, as well as in the identification of the affected patient population. Common sources in hospitalized patients include the respiratory tract and indwelling catheters, specifically central venous catheters.Untreated urinary tract infections most commonly cause community-acquired bacteremia. Soft tissue and intraabdominal infections are not as common and are more prevalent in the post-operative surgical setting. Escherichia coli is the most common cause of gram-negative associated bacteremia, while Staphylococcus aureus is the most common gram-positive organism

The trust undertook biannual nurse staffing establishment reviews as part of mandatory requirements. As part of this, key objectives were set though this work to support safer staffing. Data provided as part of this review in January 2016 identified that over-all the trust had maintained over 95% of staffing levels planned against actual levels for nine months, however there was the recognition that additional nurse recruitment was required.

• However, nurse-staffing levels, although improved, remained a challenge across most areas. Staffing levels were maintained by staff regularly working extra shifts and with the use of bank or agency staff. Inductions were in place for new staff in order to mitigate the risk of using staff that were not familiar with the hospital.

A shortage of a paediatric consultant was recorded on the divisional risk register on 21/10/15 however; approval had been obtained to increase medical staffing in this area.

Children and young people’s services:

• The trust should take steps to ensure that resuscitation equipment is checked in line with trust policy.
• The trust should ensure that the door to the kitchen on the children’s ward is locked and access restricted as appropriate.
• Consideration should be given in relation to safe storage of records on the children’s ward. The notes trolley and storage cupboard should be kept locked to ensure safe storage.
• The trust should ensure controlled medicines are checked daily in line with trust policy.
• Consideration should be given to the introduction of a routine nutritional assessment tool for all patients on the children’s ward.
• The trust should ensure staff attend mandatory and safeguarding training as required for their role.
• Consideration should be given for the development of a winter management plan.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...#:~:text=Bacteremia%2C%20in%20the%20strictest%20sense,and%20cause%20no%20further%20sequelae.

Yet they rated medical care as 'good':

However,

• Data provided showed there were occasions when the nurse staffing levels were less than 90%.

On one ward, a large quantity of medication was found in an accessible unlocked cupboard, which was a risk to patients and members of the public.

Compliance with mandatory training for the majority of staff was below trust target. The trust target was 95%.

The layout and security detection arrangements meant mothers and babies weren’t always monitored, however access to the unit was monitored by close circuit television at key points across the unit, and access was restricted either by a staffed reception or swipe access door.

Still rated at 'good'...(?)

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Lucy Letby will face retrial over one attempted murder charge

www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: Muldar

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Muldar

Thanks and I ve watched this video.
Only the gentleman on the right speaks common sense. The one in the middle is in a different universe trying to bring race and racism into the conversation.

Just like here you have many people in positions they should have never been in the first place. Including the two presenters.

a reply to: Muldar

Thank you, I totally agree with everything you said.

a reply to: Muldar

I'm not sure that this passes the CPS' Public Interest Test?

What's the point?

www.cps.gov.uk...