The World is Crazy and it's happened before it seems

a reply to: bobs_uruncle
Out with the in-laws😣 I look forward to engaging this topic later. Thank you for the links and effort. I have read the Urantia cover to cover and spent a great deal of time with it in my 20s

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Recently, Edward Dutton wrote "Spiteful Mutants" which is an excellent treatise on why we are where we are and why the world has gone stupid-crazy with so much allowable corruption. We are looking like a bad version of Sodom and Gomorrah on crack! It explains who the "Zombies" are and why "Wokeness" is a mental virus that will cause population collapse. It all really makes perfect sense.

Interesting idea.....I hadn't thought about that. But it does go a long way to explaining the spiraling collapse of human birth rates.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

"All of this has happened before. And all of this will happen again."

Maybe it’s Biblical

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭37‬ ‭NIV‬‬ bible.com...

We revisiting the Tower of Babel.


The Divine Council is fighting to get back together to take over the world.
It’s alway been Yahway agains the gods

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Where are all the damn tools!??!

Exactly. They should be there. If the results of the tools survived, so should the tools survive. People often claim, "They were erased by the sands of time." Then why weren't the results erased as well? It makes no sense. I realize "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" because, obviously, those results are still here and can be observed. Unfortunately, he lion's share of evidence is probably underwater, and unless we have anther ice age to lower the sea level, that evidence will effectively be out of reach.

This has always had me question what happened How is this explained away ?





As for the tools I believe they picked up their toys and left , Thats the reason people believe a God is coming back They did not want us to have them .

Kinda like they waved and said "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish"

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
To understand where we are going, one has to understand where we have been. There is so much real history hidden away by opportunistic psychopaths and so much other history lost to the sands of time. Every 12,000 or so years, civilization goes through a reset-by-cataclysm, where the entire world is effected. Some areas are hit harder than others, but they all suffer to some extent.

Generally 1% of all animal life, including humans, survives. There have been estimates that as few as 15,000 people survived worldwide the last time 12,000 years ago. In many cases these survivors were scattered about so badly, that there was some trouble in keeping the species going.

Some histories exist, but the powers that be like to promote them as legends, myths and allegories, when in fact, they are likely actual histories. The translations of those histories and the ancient languages they are written in, are controlled by those same powers-that-be in an attempt to confuse and obfuscate their meanings, such that only the psychopaths in power know the actual history and truth. Here are some things to read that may make you give your head a very firm shake....

Pre-12,000 years ago, The Mahabharata and there is considerable evidence that there was a nuclear war as shown in a buried layer of the Indus Valley.

The Mahabharata Link 1
The Mahabharata Link 2

Pre-11,500 years ago, The Adam and Eve Story, plus The Aftermath.

CIA Sanitized, The Adam and Eve Story
Complete w/Aftermath, The Adam and Eve Story

Pre-6,000 years ago, The Epic of Gilgamesh which is basically the story of Noah, plagiarized by Abraham (from the Bible) who lived in Ur, Babylon and is based on the Sumerian history concerning Utnapishtim and Gilgamesh.

Epic of Gilgamesh Link 1
Epic of Gilgamesh Link 2
Epic of Gilgamesh Link 3

These three give a reference point, that this # has happened before, many times in the past. There have been catastrophic changes to the earth that are cyclic in nature that quite literally wipe out civilization. There are a lot of other books you can look up mentioned in the Adam and Eve Story, so these books are just starting points.

As an aside, I have included Charles Hapgood, "Earth's Shifting Crust" since Hapgood was a CIA operative acting as a professor when he wrote this book. It appears it was meant to derail catastrophism research into the 12,000 year cycle, as many of his theories can be debunked.

Charles Hapgood on Crustal Displacement

Then there is the Urantia Book which claims to be a cross reference type book to the Bible. I haven't read the Urantia yet, so the jury's out on its value or relevance, but you never know right... I have included the link just in case.

The Urantia Book

If you take the Bible at face value there is even a warning from the distant past that society and even the elect were deceived (prior to the cyclic 12,000 year catastrophe) by Pharmakeia. Odd how that word pops up these days and how companies like Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca (which means "Weapon to kill them"), the Pharma industry et al, have destroyed so many lives for profit/benefit/greed.

The Psychology of Collapse

Recently, Edward Dutton wrote "Spiteful Mutants" which is an excellent treatise on why we are where we are and why the world has gone stupid-crazy with so much allowable corruption. We are looking like a bad version of Sodom and Gomorrah on crack! It explains who the "Zombies" are and why "Wokeness" is a mental virus that will cause population collapse. It all really makes perfect sense.

Spiteful Mutants

Anyway... you can't prepare for what you don't know might be happening ;-)

It happens just the same every time. Wouldn’t worry about it really. No lifeboats come. No benevolent aliens save us, it’s just catastrophic. Still, we’ve got a couple of years left, so enjoy them.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Ancient Aliens doesn't know crap about crap.

Yes, a nuclear war happened.. sure.. you betcha... I'll buy that... what an amazing accomplishment for the Paleolithic. Amazing they had figured out fusion yields before the chinese invented gunpowder!

I can't respect Ancient Aliens because they sell stupidity for ratings on several of their shows.

I have to assume this is the same old vitrification argument at Mojito Daro (yes I know the real name). Or the newer Jodhpur variation.

I don't want to do much work though.

its been completely Debunked several times

Qualifies as "Urban Lore".

To summarize the most popular version of the tale: a short distance west of Jodhpur is a region where radioactivity is so great that residents have long had high rates of cancer and birth defects, and that has now been cordoned off by the government. In addition, an ancient city has been excavated that shows half a million people were killed by an atomic blast the size of the Hiroshima bomb. Archaeologist Francis Taylor is quoted as having said:

It's so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.

The ancient records she's referring to are from a great Sanskrit epic of ancient India titled the Mahabharata. It appears to describe a nuclear war:

It then lists all the best evidence, which I will skip.

Sadly for the legend, there is nothing remotely like this story in any archaeological publications. Archaeological information about the excavations of Mohenjo-Daro, Harappa, and other Indus Valley sites is widely available online and in print, and there is simply no such thing as radioactive skeletons or skeletons in large numbers or holding hands or sprawled in any way that the archaeologists saw reason to print.

The next easiest thing to check would be those quotes from the Mahabharata. At a minimum I wanted to see the context of those passages. I went to an online searchable Mahabharata to look for these quotes, and... couldn't find them. Couldn't find anything even vaguely like them. Could it be possible that whoever originated this tale made up its primary source? Let's set that possibility aside for a moment, and see what we can verify about the rest of the story. How about the residual radioactivity west of Jodhpur.

There is one little fact that casts some pretty grave doubt on the claim that Jodhpur is in a zone with dangerously high radiation. The story says we detect that radiation today, and suffer high birth defects and cancer, left over from this nuclear war 8-12,000 years ago. Radioactivity goes down over time, so if it's that lethal today, it would have been even more lethal 550 years ago when the city of Jodhpur was founded. It would seem a poor choice to locate a new city. However, Jodhpur was founded, and has flourished ever since.

Furthermore, the vast majority of radioactive isotopes produced in a nuclear blast have extremely short half lives measured in seconds, hours, or days, and are reduced to safe levels very quickly. Those that pose the greatest threat to human health are Cesium-137 and Strontium-90, which have half lives of 30 and 28 years, and so even these would have been reduced to well below the natural background levels thousands of years ago. Other long-lived isotopes are produced by nuclear explosions, but at much lower amounts.

Some things just deserve to be fact checked and made to face the reality of isotopes half-lives from blast fallout, which are conveniently left out of the theory.

Hiroshima is beautiful. Been to their ground zero. It has a sports arena/water park now! You can swim there all day.

“Humanity is now faced with a stark choice: Evolve or die. … If the structures of the human mind remain unchanged, we will always end up re-creating the same world, the same evils, the same dysfunction.”

― Eckhart Tolle

‘The insanity of the collective egoic mind, amplified by science and technology, is rapidly taking our species to the brink of disaster. Evolve or die: that is our only choice now. That in you which recognizes madness as madness (even if it is your own) is sanity, is the arising awareness, is the end of insanity.’’ - Eckhart Tolle

WoW.. what a great thread, Thankyou so much

All the best

To bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Where are all the damn tools!??!

Exactly. They should be there. If the results of the tools survived, so should the tools survive. People often claim, "They were erased by the sands of time." Then why weren't the results erased as well? It makes no sense. I realize "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" because, obviously, those results are still here and can be observed. Unfortunately, he lion's share of evidence is probably underwater, and unless we have anther ice age to lower the sea level, that evidence will effectively be out of reach.

I think that's reflective of the actual truth.

I'd just like to see one inkling of something more than a brass chisel and a chunk of rock.

originally posted by: Drummer64
Hi folks. This is my first post here so hello to everyone. I would ask that y'all check out Randall Carlson and his Kosmographia podcasts on How Tube . He was kicked off You Tube because he wouldn't toe the line on climate change. I'm on a tablet so I can't post links. My apologies for that. a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Hello and welcome..

Randall Carlson is awesome thankyou for pointing out his podcast.

All the best

a reply to: ARM1986

Love that.

Yes. We should be grateful to live in the time of a climax civilization, for all the good, and also all the bad too. You can't have one without the other ... and climax civilization time, for whatever reasons throughout history, is scarce. It is rare. It is not the norm....

a reply to: Degradation33

If a nuclear war happened between tiny little humans, followed by a micronova from the Sun, I bet the isotopic evidence from the minor human event would be completely erased by the natural major one following.

Just saying. So potentially from the last micronova 12000 years ago, any potential prior human nuclear war evidence would have been isotopically reset, and pretty much undetectable at this point. Probably the isotopic evidence of our most recent nuclear blasts (including testing) will be erased again with the 'next one' coming.

Unfortunately, none of us will be around to actually prove or disprove that hahaha

originally posted by: ITSALIVE
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Ok, every 12000 years there’s a major reset and you’ve cited the most recent. Can you point us to what happened 24000 years ago? 36000? If the theory is this is cyclical you should have something to support that besides the most recent reset. Otherwise why worry, it could be just a one time deal?

Here's some video's, I have a lot to answer tonight, so I will come back to this with actual scientific papers. You can see a lot of them though in the videos.


Suspicious Observers lots of videos

There are so many cycles, the 12k year one and the half cycle at 6k years seem to be big ones.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Probably my favorite doom porn topic, but it has probably been closer to 13,000 years at this point, so we're overdue.

It's very possible. The angular deviation in the position of the current sheet during solar system transit, could increase or decrease the time between contacts, position dependent. Or it could simply be magnetic deviation in the spiral vortex pattern of the current sheet. In the 80s, when NASA dropped the bomb on us about going deeper into a nebula, I thought it was a nebula residing at the galactic equator and we moved up and down above and below the galactic equator every 12600 or 25200 years. But in the 90s additional information came out concerning magnetic lines of force in the galaxy that twisted and could account on their own for the ~12,000 year cycle.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Ancient Aliens doesn't know crap about crap.

Yes, a nuclear war happened.. sure.. you betcha... I'll buy that... what an amazing accomplishment for the Paleolithic. Amazing they had figured out fusion yields before the chinese invented gunpowder!

I can't respect Ancient Aliens because they sell stupidity for ratings on several of their shows.

I have to assume this is the same old vitrification argument at Mojito Daro (yes I know the real name). Or the newer Jodhpur variation.

I don't want to do much work though.

its been completely Debunked several times

Qualifies as "Urban Lore".

To summarize the most popular version of the tale: a short distance west of Jodhpur is a region where radioactivity is so great that residents have long had high rates of cancer and birth defects, and that has now been cordoned off by the government. In addition, an ancient city has been excavated that shows half a million people were killed by an atomic blast the size of the Hiroshima bomb. Archaeologist Francis Taylor is quoted as having said:

It's so mind-boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare.

The ancient records she's referring to are from a great Sanskrit epic of ancient India titled the Mahabharata. It appears to describe a nuclear war:

It then lists all the best evidence, which I will skip.

Sadly for the legend, there is nothing remotely like this story in any archaeological publications. Archaeological information about the excavations of Mohenjo-Daro, Harappa, and other Indus Valley sites is widely available online and in print, and there is simply no such thing as radioactive skeletons or skeletons in large numbers or holding hands or sprawled in any way that the archaeologists saw reason to print.

The next easiest thing to check would be those quotes from the Mahabharata. At a minimum I wanted to see the context of those passages. I went to an online searchable Mahabharata to look for these quotes, and... couldn't find them. Couldn't find anything even vaguely like them. Could it be possible that whoever originated this tale made up its primary source? Let's set that possibility aside for a moment, and see what we can verify about the rest of the story. How about the residual radioactivity west of Jodhpur.

There is one little fact that casts some pretty grave doubt on the claim that Jodhpur is in a zone with dangerously high radiation. The story says we detect that radiation today, and suffer high birth defects and cancer, left over from this nuclear war 8-12,000 years ago. Radioactivity goes down over time, so if it's that lethal today, it would have been even more lethal 550 years ago when the city of Jodhpur was founded. It would seem a poor choice to locate a new city. However, Jodhpur was founded, and has flourished ever since.

Furthermore, the vast majority of radioactive isotopes produced in a nuclear blast have extremely short half lives measured in seconds, hours, or days, and are reduced to safe levels very quickly. Those that pose the greatest threat to human health are Cesium-137 and Strontium-90, which have half lives of 30 and 28 years, and so even these would have been reduced to well below the natural background levels thousands of years ago. Other long-lived isotopes are produced by nuclear explosions, but at much lower amounts.

Some things just deserve to be fact checked and made to face the reality of isotopes half-lives from blast fallout, which are conveniently left out of the theory.

Hiroshima is beautiful. Been to their ground zero. It has a sports arena/water park now! You can swim there all day.

Did I put up Ancient Aliens links? I don't think I did lol. Funny thing though, even a broken clock can be right twice a day. The evidence is actually quite compelling, but it's ok, I don't really care who believes what or not since there is no harm in being prepared. Live your life, do your thing, but we have dysgenic reproduction running rampant, the Zombies are here, they are spreading the wokeness virus and we are at the end, because the idiocracy is in full swing ;-) Can you imagine some of the idiots that have been spawned in the last 10-20 years running this planet ROFL. We're screwed ;-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

we have dysgenic reproduction running rampant, the Zombies are here, they are spreading the wokeness virus and we are at the end, because the idiocracy is in full swing ;-) Can you imagine some of the idiots that have been spawned in the last 10-20 years

Sadly, Spitefull Mutants makes a solid case as I read through the treatise. The difficulty is; no one will like what is presented.

The implications are grim, yet I dont think everything is lost.

Spiteful Mutants suggests to me that we need to start protecting our childrens early life and education, as well as prepare for SHTF scenarios.

Rudolf Steiner designed the Waldorf school system (Steiner Schools) that is designed around creating intellegent children in their formulative years.

Along with guns, books, stashes of seed including the quick growing poppy (pain killer) which will grow just about anywhere and produce in four months, I would include Rudolf Steiner's books on education.

They are free to download if one searches 'Steiner archive'.

In the SHTF scenario, an often overlooked resource is orphaned children.Not so much as child labor, children will be the future.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Yeah, it's kinda nasty in this case when all the pieces fit together and you can see the complete picture. I have buddy in Zambia that used to work in my assembly lab when I worked for the military and CI overseas. He used to say, "The truth may hurt, but it can never be a lie." Pretty common statement I think, the Zombies are inside the gate of our citadel and seem to be trying to tell us to ignore the truth, so that we can join in their vacuous puppet-like misery.

The future is bleak, nobody is coming to save us. Either the marxists/totalitarians will win and we're 100% screwed or AI will win and we're 100% screwed or the Zombies will win and we're 100% screwed or the earth's cycle will win and 99+ percent of us are screwed. It's interesting that the natural cyclic catastrophe probably has the highest survival rate lol

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Degradation33

So at the end of an age that lasts 12000 years there is a catastrophe, so severe it wipes out 99% of the mammalian life on the planet, except for humans, maybe there's a million of us left, but more than likely less. It would hopefully be a mix of intelligent people with critical thinking skills, maybe some doctors, nurses, engineers, scientists, etc. Chances are though, out of say a million people worldwide, less that 50,000 would be intelligent. The rest would be the product of the last 20 years, primarily low intelligence, low motivation, non-critical thinking people with very little in the way of problem solving skills.

So the 5% will have to carry the 95%. How do you think that is going to work out when no one is concerned with rebuilding anything, because it's all gone and everyone is in survival mode? And it would be brutal!

After 4 or 5 generations, most writing skills would be gone, oral language would degrade. In 10 generations, we would simply be hunter gatherers. In 20 generations, if anything from our past was left standing, nature would have consumed it back to itself. In 30 generations, our history prior to the catastrophe would be a thing of myth and legend. In 50 generations, people would be hard pressed to remember the past unless it was written down, probably on fired clay tablets. You realize 50 generations is only 1,000 years, we have another 11,000 to go to get to where we are now. So claims of this kind of thing or nuclear weapons from the past as being "debunked" stands as mute testament, because none of us were there. We only have the histories from long dead civilizations to go by.

Arthur C Clark's 3 laws:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Cheers - Dave