LGBTQ Pride Storybooks in Maryland Public Schools - the battle of national interest

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
So part of pre affirmation care should involve brain scans to make sure they're already the sex they feel like on the inside? Should that be a prerequisite?

Hopefully brain scan science evolves to the point that can be a reality.

If you believe brain functions determine biological sex then you're completely misunderstood what you have linked and trying to argue.

Never said that.

Again — you don’t listen.

Your claims are not backed up by any evidence. Only the fact you're mentioning neuroscience as if this determines sex shows precisely why you have completely confused things. There is no need to go in cycles. Perhaps you may have second thoughts or even doubt your own dogma and beliefs. But there is nothing true about transgenderism.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
So part of pre affirmation care should involve brain scans to make sure they're already the sex they feel like on the inside? Should that be a prerequisite?

Hopefully brain scan science evolves to the point that can be a reality.

If you believe brain functions determine biological sex then you're completely misunderstood what you have linked and trying to argue.

Never said that.

Again — you don’t listen.

Your claims are not backed up by any evidence. Only the fact you're mentioning neuroscience as if this determines sex shows precisely why you have completely confused things. There is no need to go in cycles. Perhaps you may have second thoughts or even doubt your own dogma and beliefs. But there is nothing true about transgenderism.

Nothing more than your opinion.

Backed by nothing. I’ve asked if you have any credentials.

What do I have? For one thing I listen. My town has an active LGBTQ+ group that meets every week. I go hang out with them. It’s casual and we talk. I’ve also had personal online conversations with transgenders I’ve met here on ATS.

I listen.

It's funny, in order to "win the thread" and win the argument, you'd have to agree to government control superseding parental rights.

It's an odd thing to own, but communists should feel comfortable with it.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
So part of pre affirmation care should involve brain scans to make sure they're already the sex they feel like on the inside? Should that be a prerequisite?

Hopefully brain scan science evolves to the point that can be a reality.

If you believe brain functions determine biological sex then you're completely misunderstood what you have linked and trying to argue.

Never said that.

Again — you don’t listen.

Your claims are not backed up by any evidence. Only the fact you're mentioning neuroscience as if this determines sex shows precisely why you have completely confused things. There is no need to go in cycles. Perhaps you may have second thoughts or even doubt your own dogma and beliefs. But there is nothing true about transgenderism.

Nothing more than your opinion.

Backed by nothing. I’ve asked if you have any credentials.

What do I have? For one thing I listen. My town has an active LGBTQ+ group that meets every week. I go hang out with them. It’s casual and we talk. I’ve also had personal online conversations with transgenders I’ve met here on ATS.

I listen.

There are no transgenders btw.

It's better if you ask what credentials the gender ideologues and the trans activists have.

Which is nothing other than their baseless views.

Nothing is true about transgenderism. To find others online to try to justify your own beliefs and dogma shows you want confirmation bias.

a reply to: Annee


Several states have decided no more gender ideology in schools because political indoctrination
is illegal (in schools) especially when kids are exposed to the pseudo-theories of transgenderism and LGBTQ+ propaganda.

I just don't understand what's so hard about teaching a transgender person to be comfortable in the body they're born in, and how to adjust to the realities of their current incarnation. It seems a lot easier to reorient a way of thinking than to chemically or surgically change a physcial appearance.

But I guess there's not as much money to be made in traditional therapies.

a reply to: Annee

Perhaps you have second thoughts on this and you have come to realise you have supported the wrong cause and ideas. That's why you want this confirmation bias and the discussions with 'transgenders' online.

It's quite difficult to realise you supported the wrong views and you did spend time and effort that was wasted.

a reply to: Annee

Alright, I think I see where you're coming from with that.

I would say that I disagree. I don't know much about neuroscience but can't see the opposite sex wired into a brain during development, but perhaps develop more masculine or feminine properties. Which in my mind would just make a man more feminine or a woman more masculine (or anywhere in between) and not signify they have an opposite sex brain. Could be wrong, but you know, chromosomes.

One individual on the panel testified that they started gender affirmation care because they were attracted to the same sex, and thought that maybe they were born in the wrong body. Afterwards though, they realized they were just gay. One of their reasonings for thinking they may have been born in the wrong body was because, in their belief at the time, being gay was a sin (funny because you'd think becoming trans would be a sin too, from that perspective).

Most on that panel had underlining mental health and/or social issues. One or two had trauma (presumably sexual in nature). The common theme from all of them though was that they felt the adults and/or echo chambers they were around at the time, did little to attempt to understand where their feelings were coming from and why. Some were steered towards gender affirmation care, some chose it for themselves, with little to no pushback from the adults.

Something they said they wished had happened. After going through the experience though, they discovered that it didn't solve any of their problems, that in fact the problems were often something else entirely. But at no point were they educated or counseled on everything that goes into becoming trans. Long term effects on the body from use of puberty blockers, for example. A lot felt they were either guided into the decision, or parents etc. gave no pushback and just said "okay if that's how you feel".

So I agree with you when you say (don't want to dig through all these pages for a direct quote) that patience, counseling, conversation etc. is needed before just jumping to affirmation care. It's a complicated thing that shouldn't be taken lightly. Regardless of how either of us feel about the subject as a whole.

Touching upon the schools. What I personally see, isn't about inclusion and acceptance (at least not in whole). It's about indoctrination and sexualization (at least in some cases). Fast tracking the youth into a dangerous ideology, and setting them up to do things with their bodies that aren't warranted.

How do we actually help the kids? How do we separate ones dealing with gender dysphoria from the ones that have other underlining mental health/emotional issues? Or the ones that have been influenced into believing they are in the wrong body? Propagandized by ideologies. Bombarded left right and center.

Is shoving LGBTQ down their throats the right thing here?

There are other, better ways to teach inclusion, acceptance, and support.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
There are other, better ways to teach inclusion, acceptance, and support.

I was taught in elementary school that everyone is important and to be nice to everyone.

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

I was never indoctrinated with LGBT issues until I was in High School and had gay friends and started hanging out with the punk scene.

To this day I don't have a problem with just about everyone.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Why can’t you accept gender wiring in the brain?

Anyway, ever watched “Born Different”?

Anything is possible when “the soup gets stirred” in making a human.

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originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Why can’t you accept gender wiring in the brain?

Anyway, ever watched “Born Different”?

Anything is possible when “the soup gets stirred” in making a human.

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Gender is determined by chromosomes and not arbitrary brain 'wirings' or functions. If anyone's brain has issues with who they are then it's the right time to consult a specialist in the field of psychotherapy and psychiatry.

As if the depths havent already been reached, a source to Facebook has been used....

Just in case anyone looking on is wondering how serious this is.

a reply to: JinMI
Hey
Self esteem 1!

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Why can’t you accept gender wiring in the brain?

I didn't say I couldn't accept it, just that I can't wrap my head around that. Maybe you could define it better or give some insight on how that works. Maybe I'm stuck up on terms?

Sex = The physical, biological make up.
Gender = Gender identity.

If gender can be wired into the brain, that wouldn't change a person's sex on paper. It could only influence how they express themselves. They would still be either male or female, but there brain more feminine or masculine.

So you're suggesting, for example, a man with a more feminine brain, would have a female brain?

What are the things we're looking at in the brain to determine its gender in the first place?

Is there something that you know of or is this a hypothetical?

Anyway, ever watched “Born Different”?

No, but I'll check it out sometime.

a reply to: Annee

Just started reading this huge thing and thought maybe you could find something of value in it. Not sure you will find anything to support your argument/hypothesis.

A meta-analysis of sex differences in human brain structure.

Abstract:

The prevalence, age of onset, and symptomatology of many neuropsychiatric conditions differ between males and females. To understand the causes and consequences of sex differences it is important to establish where they occur in the human brain. We report the first meta-analysis of typical sex differences on global brain volume, a descriptive account of the breakdown of studies of each compartmental volume by six age categories, and whole-brain voxel-wise meta-analyses on brain volume and density. Gaussian-process regression coordinate-based meta-analysis was used to examine sex differences in voxel-based regional volume and density. On average, males have larger total brain volumes than females. Examination of the breakdown of studies providing total volumes by age categories indicated a bias towards the 18–59 year-old category. Regional sex differences in volume and tissue density include the amygdala, hippocampus and insula, areas known to be implicated in sex-biased neuropsychiatric conditions. Together, these results suggest candidate regions for investigating the asymmetric effect that sex has on the developing brain, and for understanding sex-biased neurological and psychiatric conditions.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Just remember — I fully admit the study of gender differences, gender dysphoria, transgender, and even sexuality in Autism are newish fields of study.

Even heterosexuality and homosexuality — science does not know why.

I personally think the brain has a lot to do with it. But there are many other factors as well.

a reply to: Annee

Don't worry, not expecting you to be an expert and understand we're just exploring a lot of unknowns.

This is what I can get behind. We disagree on much in relation to the subject matter here. But I can see that you do care about the kids, and people in general. At first throughout the thread, I thought you were all for rushing kids to gender affirmation care. And it seems to me now that you agree decisions like that shouldn't be taken lightly, or without trying to better understand what's going on, on a deeper level with them.

So on that note, I retract such statements implying you may have a predatory or groomy nature, and apologize for them.

I still think we need to "leave the kids alone" but I'll rephrase it to "leave the kids out of the agenda" because at the end of the day, whatever I feel about it, mental well being is important to me too.

originally posted by: Annee

Nothing more than your opinion.

Backed by nothing. I’ve asked if you have any credentials.

.... says the person who claimed that science doesn't know why people are heterosexual.

Seriously comical.

originally posted by: Annee

I’m not interested in the X Y.

We know. Old science.

It's not 'old science'. It IS science and it's reality. X and Y Chromosome determine
if someone is male or female. You get a penis or a vagina with all the hormones and
testosterone because of X and Y Chromosomes.

Geeeze .. get an education.

originally posted by: Annee
Even heterosexuality and homosexuality — science does not know why.

You actually doubled down on that.
YES SCIENCE KNOWS WHY people are heterosexual.
It was explained to you in terms a 5th grader could understand.