LGBTQ Pride Storybooks in Maryland Public Schools - the battle of national interest

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: ABlackCat

So you wouldn't wait until they're any older than twelve? If that's what they wanted?

You mean where they are forcing puberty blockers/HRT on them when they don't want it?

Sure I agree that it's wrong.

Cool we agree on that.

But you disagree we should wait until they are out of adolescence and have more of a grasp on who they are and where they want to go in life?

Let them be who they are. That's the point.

I understand that and can get behind that.

But another point is a big decision like that should be made in adulthood when one is more equipped to do so.

Do you agree with the average age of consent?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: ABlackCat

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: ABlackCat

So you wouldn't wait until they're any older than twelve? If that's what they wanted?

You mean where they are forcing puberty blockers/HRT on them when they don't want it?

Sure I agree that it's wrong.

Cool we agree on that.

But you disagree we should wait until they are out of adolescence and have more of a grasp on who they are and where they want to go in life?

Let them be who they are. That's the point.

I understand that and can get behind that.

But another point is a big decision like that should be made in adulthood when one is more equipped to do so.

Do you agree with the average age of consent?

I see no evidence that HRT and puberty blockers have negative long time effect. Heck they have been using that on children for various reasons.

Those therapies are to minimize the stresses experienced through gender dysphoria and puberty.

Breast removal surgeries? No No no and no! Wait till 25. But those teenager girls need to be treated anyway. Chest binding is a real thing and is dangerous.

Those are few things that came off the top of my head. It's a complicated issue.

a reply to: ABlackCat

And finally,

Whether or not it comes from potential predators, and whether or not it comes from an element of the trans community, where do you stand on curriculum in schools educating children on how to consent to sexual acts, educating them on how to perform sexual acts, assignments relating to their fantasies or fantasizing about their peers, and encouragement of sex as opposed to practicing abstinence until they are at least of legal age?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
a reply to: ABlackCat

And finally,

Whether or not it comes from potential predators, and whether or not it comes from an element of the trans community, where do you stand on curriculum in schools educating children on how to consent to sexual acts, educating them on how to perform sexual acts, assignments relating to their fantasies or fantasizing about their peers, and encouragement of sex as opposed to practicing abstinence until they are at least of legal age?

The natural response would be of course to ask you to produce evidence/examples that they are doing that, because, obviously, that's wrong. The parents would be right to be upset about it.

See my problem with this is that we are discussing with something that may or may not exist. The books in the OP does not do any of those things you described.

originally posted by: ABlackCat
The natural response would be of course to ask you to produce evidence/examples that they are doing that, because, obviously, that's wrong. The parents would be right to be upset about it.

I can do that, but need some time. Have to step off here for awhile.

I will come back when I can and provide you some examples.

The books in the OP does not do any of those things you described.

Agreed. I did not see any of that in those particular books.

Just lately feeling, I'm on the wrong spectrum of fascism.

originally posted by: halfoldman
Just lately feeling, I'm on the wrong spectrum of fascism.

Agreed.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: ABlackCat
The natural response would be of course to ask you to produce evidence/examples that they are doing that, because, obviously, that's wrong. The parents would be right to be upset about it.

I can do that, but need some time. Have to step off here for awhile.

I will come back when I can and provide you some examples.

The books in the OP does not do any of those things you described.

Agreed. I did not see any of that in those particular books.

It has been a pretty good discussion.

originally posted by: ABlackCat
It has been a pretty good discussion.

Agreed. I felt we actually got somewhere for a change.

Anyway, here are a few examples of things I found that have happened in schools and/or books that are in school libraries. Of course, not every school library. Much of the stuff I found was nixed after protest from parents. Some are things that didn't have district approval and came from teachers taking lessons into their own hands.

Dean of Students Brags about Bringing in LGBTQ+ Health Center to Teach Queer Sex to Minors

Here's an article about a book called Sex is a Funny Word that's in some school libraries.

According to the publisher, this book is written for children between the ages of seven and ten years old, an age that is generally pre-pubescent. It’s a colorful book, drawing children’s eyes among many of the other, more scientific and muted books of the biology shelf in the children’s section of the library.

The entire book is framed as a story of a male teacher encouraging students in his classroom to explore their sexuality (pp. 10–15, 156–157). Throughout the book, children are encouraged to discuss sexuality with “trusted adults.”

In one section of the book, touching of sexual parts of the human body are invariably described as “sensitive” and “warm and tingly:”

Additionally, the book specifically advocates masturbation to children:

“Some people think that sexy feelings should only happen in grown-up relationships. And many grown-ups say that sexy is a word to use only when you’re older.” (p.130)

(see link above for more graphic quotes directly from the book)

Meet The Sex Shop Founder Who Is Grooming Children Through Books In School Libraries

Fifth Graders to be Taught Masturbation

The Center for Garden State Families is alarmed by the age-inappropriate material being forced on minor children who are 9, 10, and 11 years old!

The standards are but guidelines for each individual school district to determine how the standards are to be met. Recently, The Center for Garden State Families spoke to a large group of concerned citizens in a town in the Garden State. A health teacher approached us at the end of the presentation to tell us that the school was considering options and how to teach the masturbation requirement to the fifth-graders.

The teacher was told they may be looking for a “film” to show to the students.

Not a school but still interesting because IMO places like this are connected:
NHS Child Gender Clinic (Tavistock Clinic)

Clinicians reported worries that some patients were referred onto a gender transitioning pathway too quickly.

"Let's pray that I am wrong because if I am not wrong, very many vulnerable children have been very poorly treated and will be left with, potentially, a lifetime of damage here," one says.

As well as seeing young people struggling with their sexuality, staff say some parents appeared to prefer their children to be transgender and straight, rather than gay.

In one example, a GIDS clinician describes a young person who had come out as a lesbian and faced homophobic bullying, "within the family and quite openly in school".

"Suddenly the young person changed their mind and they started identifying as trans."

In some of these cases, clinicians thought that it wouldn't be appropriate for the patient to be referred for puberty blockers, with one child apparently saying: "My mum wants the hormone more than I do.

UK Schools...

School institutions in the United Kingdom have set specific lessons aimed at teaching students under the age of 15 about anal sex and orgasms, as well as assigning “masturbation” as homework, MailOnline report.

According to the investigation conducted by the UK-based media outlet, many teachers are ‘indoctrinating’ children with claims about biological sex, presenting gender as fluid, and advancing the narrative that people can be born in the wrong body.

“It comes as the NHS is facing mass legal action from 1,000 families who claim their children were rushed into taking life-changing puberty blockers’ by the Tavistock Centre,” MailOnline said.

The media outlet also noted that graphic teaching materials, including a sex manual for pre-teens, were discovered in classrooms across the UK.

DailyMail added that these concerns arose after a concerned mother was denied the right to see the content of the lessons being taught to her 15-year-old daughter in her Relationships and Sex Education (RSE) classes, which became mandatory three years ago.

I need to take a break from looking for more atm.

I agree people need to feel free to be who they are.

But I am also concerned that there is an agenda of indoctrination for various nefarious reasons. The evil behind it hiding under what looks like and should be a good cause. In that way nobody can question it, or else you're labeled hateful, fearful, etc.

I want people to live and let live and I am not condemning trans people. I am just trying to point out that something predatorial is happening. And I understand the average trans person is not necessarily a part of it.

But there is definitely something more than meets the eye going on.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Investigation Launched After Kindergarten Students Assigned Masturbation Worksheet

Oregon Health Class Assigns Students to Write Sexual Fantasy - But Without any Sex (still weird)

Our Kids' School Libraries are Full of Guides on Sex Acts and Gender Confusion

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Did you personally investigate any of these stories?

Or just take them at face value?

All the ones I looked at are from either faith based sites or conservative right wing.

a reply to: Annee

Oh I had Santa Clause vet them for me.

Or how about you tell me what sources you approve of?

Or discredit what's in the links instead of brushing it off because.

That whole attack the ball not the player thing.

Don't really care what their lean or opinion is, at least when images of said material is there for me to see for myself.

If I linked something inaccurate I would like to know, and apologize.

So much implied homophobia!

I'll have you in a dress before I have a gay son!

a reply to: halfoldman

Not accurate. No homophobia here.

(if you're referring to me)

Just thinking, nobody on ATS intended.

originally posted by: halfoldman
So much implied homophobia!

I'll have you in a dress before I have a gay son!

Could you elaborate on this for us please?

Would be much appreciated.

Essentially, I'd rather have you as the opposite sex, rather than a homosexual.

Not an entirely new impulse (go see Iran), but rather pointless.

I'm a man, you can't shut me out,

Totally deplatformed, count me out.

I must shower too, so don't be silly.
But if I may add,
You've got a beautiful willy.

The red under the bed, the pink beneath your sink?

Not quite, but I may be an impsoter.

Band of brothers.

The way I see you, is probably not the way you see me.