Wiccan Prophecy

I was kinda surprised that Wiccans dont have prophecies. That was brought to light by Ravenna, I think.

As a Mystic (solo) I cant see how organized Mystical religions/groups dont have prophecies when they come from people like us.

The only reasons I can think of is the Wiccan religion was started by practitioners or

Is it because they are too obscure sometime or need to much interpreting that may leave room for error??


By Practioners I mean people who have no Magickal ability but do ritual, meditate, burn incenses etc.

No responses???

Odd for so many people who affiliate themselves with various magickal groups or abilties.

I'll bet you don't find too many Wiccans here.

(posted by Diseria, WO's g/f)

I, myself, am not Wiccan, although I studied it for awhile. (I consider myself Shamanic, if it makes any difference.)

But are there any overall prophecies -- I haven't heard of any. I got the feeling that if they were made, then people would be, automatically, given the chance/choice to change that prophecy.
You create your own reality, your own future.

Just because a fortune teller reads your palm and tells you you're gonna die in 10 years does not make it so.
Just because a voodoo priest/ess put a curse on you, does not mean that it will work.
If you don't believe in it -- it has no effect (affect?).

If you will something, it will be.
I believe, I know, that.

-Diseria

i wonder that if the 3 or 9 things come back to a wiccan does that include gold silver monies

i think i read that whatever we do to another person comes back 3 fold or 9 fold does it work with monie

We don't have prophesies, as in the Christian tradition of Revelations and apocolypse, but we do have divination practices and can do readings for others, usually individual readings. We use Tarot for that, or astrology, crystal ball, scrying and alot of other divination techniques. Most of us do believe, however, that the planet is on its last legs unless we do something about it, i.e. pollution, global warming, disappearance of plant life, etc, politics and the general condition of humanity.

Wiccans are good people they belive in both god and the goddess. I do not get it when people say that wiccans are bad and should be killed........ they should not be killed! That is basicaly judging someone before you get to know them!!!! So do not judge wiccans just get to know them before you say they should just die!

I think another reason for the lack of dateable predictions within Wiccan/Pagans is the belief that outcomes can be affected through belief/magick, therefore their is no set future to predict.

Wikipedia:

Wicca (IPA: /ˈwɪkə/) is a nature-based religion first popularised in 1954 by Gerald Gardner, a retired British civil servant

To me it looks more or less like a part of new-age phenomenon, with magic crystals and all that. This new religion created by Mr.Gardner to help pass days in his retirement simply didn't have time and/or real depth to develop its prophets.

In contrast, the real pagans, such as ones in Scandinavia, had elaborate cosmological myths (cf Yggdrasil) and propehcies bundled with them.


[edit on 28-12-2007 by buddhasystem]

reply to post by DragonflyKingdom


I somewhat disagree...
Not all wiccans do not have real powers. Some in fact do.
Yes, most of them just do rituals, burn incense, and stand in atlars, but
underestimating the wiccans is not a good idea. Don't feel threatened by that, however, I have known to see ones being punished. I know to much to let people stomp on their beliefs.
Answer me this...
Do you think wiccans are bad?

Anon - it depends on how the individual Wiccan uses what ability they have, for either good or bad. It's those who stray off the path off Good who you should be wary off.
Really baffles me, those who pretend to be nice and then meddle in the darker Arts. Not big nor clever (seems to be my favourite phrase right now).

As WyrdeOne said, its what you believe in, that makes something so. This is why I find the subject so fascinating. See, I know people who say "Death is death, that's it, nothing, total emptiness. No more life, no reincarnation..." etc...

This is where the Wiccan(Pagan) lifstyle changed my thoughts. Believe in what you believe in and it will be. So I do believe in reincarnation, and I do believe in my own Heaven. It's just not gonna be in the same place as some people, and it definitely wont be the same...haha, just think a little of Lord of the Ringsesque / New Zealand / Castles and random stuff

im wiccan and i have to say a couple of things...
most of yall are smart most are not, and you use pagan like its something good
the word pagan come from the saying "land worker" its like Mid evil slang for
hillbilly.... and i hate to stomp everybody's parade, but wicca came from ancient
times not 1957, and in 1957 its popularity went up..... thats my 2 cents k thx bye!

reply to post by LockwithnoKey


Basically this is it. We feel life is designed, but it is a general plan with a map, and there can be detours, wrong turns, accidens and traffic. Nothing is set. You can get a vague idea, but wiccans/pagans don't assume anything is solid. The world changes as it needs too. We are responsible for our own futures, no one else. Taht is part of the religion. We are offered opportunities to learn and make the best of, but ultimately it is up to us to decide.

Originally posted by LockwithnoKey
I think another reason for the lack of dateable predictions within Wiccan/Pagans is the belief that outcomes can be affected through belief/magick, therefore their is no set future to predict.

While this is true,
Wiccans can also make long-term magick-spells,
like for instance over several hundred years or so,
which in other terms could be considered predictions.


hey I'd like to mention there is a pagan/wiccan prophecy from 2004
which was made by a user with nick Coraon

here is the actual prophecy:

www.book-of-thoth.com...
1. The wheel will begin to turn. (followers of
Christ will begin to see their end time)
(happening now)

2. Somewhere in the northern world, a group of
Pagan's (most likely wiccan's) will summon one of
their gods back to earth for guidance. He will see
the earth as it is now and weep. He will call out
to those who’s souls are unique and ask them to rise
the tides of magical energy around the world.
(stirring persist around the world that they feel
a tugging on their souls, as if they are being called.


3. The earth mother will finally grow tired of
being poisoned and will let her tenants know this.
(In other words, lots of bizarre natural events)
(Happening right now, but will get weirder before
the end)

4. The US will go too far. The price will not be
obvious. The spiritual energy (quint
as I was taught) of its hidden places will waver.
(ask anyone who works with spiritual energy, America’s
energy feels like its going very low, then climbing
incredibly high, only to fall off deeper losing
ground each time) Those who heard the call will slowly
rally and begin to try to save these places.

5. Non British states with noble lines will begin to
remember their pagan roots and people will return
to the old ways (much to the anger of Rome)
(Starting to see this, be only very slowly)

6. In Austria, an ancient school of magic will
once again open its doors, without realizing
that a magic school was on those grounds 2000 years
prior. (look on the net, I think that’s happened)

7. the planar seal (the barrier that cuts off earth
from the realms beyond it) will be pierced resulting
in those with unique souls realizing that their time
has come. They will begin to restore magic to the
earth. (don’t know about when, don’t think it's
happened yet.)

8. The first change of man. A virus (or group of virii)
will spread and remove those with souls not
strong enough to handle the return of magic.
(the virus isn’t actually a virus per say,
think of it as a bad allergic reaction to the rising
levels of magic)
(SARS *might* have been a dry run)

9. The awakening of TatsuKahn. A large dragon
will be seen flying toward a large mountain by
many people in a bullet train. The dragon will be
recorded live, and taped for all to see. If the
dragon is red, man will know a new darkness (we are
currently in a world of darkness), if the dragon is
black the world will know a world of shadow
(transition), if the dragon is another color
then we will know an uncertain path.

10. The second challenge of man. UGE (unexplainable
genetic expression) Men and women with different
souls will not be able to hide their true nature
and will appear as elves, dwarves, and all manners
of mythic beings, but not dragons.

11. The tides will rise. Magic will return to men,
those who follow the old ways will be able
to perform many powerful spells thought lost
to time.

12. The dragon of man will appear and calm their
fears. Although all will know his true dragon form
he will choose to wear a more human form. He will
help man, and clam their fears. He will advise the
correct path, but eventually he will try to lead
men and be forcibly stopped. (not sure by whom,
in my flashes it's always a big controversy over
who did it)

13. The other dragons will appear, they will not lead
only guide people, and horde power. (as dragons
like to do)

14. Some men and women will chose to become hybrids
with machine in such a profound way they become unique
unto themselves. (most people seem unwilling or
unable to relate to this new breed)

15. A platinum age of man will begin where science
and magic balance each other solving the problems
with each. The earth mother will be pleased and return
to sleep. The Gods and Goddesses of all faiths will
step back and only involve themselves if directly
asked. (everyone seems really happy)

16. Mans searching for a new home among the stars,
will be finally achieved and a paradise world will
be found by a small group. They will fiercely guarded
their new home and only allow the people they choose
to settle there. (I also think there might have
been an older civilization there who died out,
leaving all kinds of goodies for the people)

Much of these predictions are in line with events that are already occuring.
and scientifically predicted things like the singularity with genetic nanotechnology and robotic revolutions.

Also in terms of the virus killing non-pagans or at least non-Wiccans,
that can easily be obesity, diabetes, cancer, cardiovascular-issues,
many Wiccans are immune by being vegetarian or vegan.

At the very least pagans worship nature,
and so would be more likely to do gardening,
as well as eat healthy organic or home-grown produce.

This is also similar to an animist pagan movement based on the Ringing Cedar collection of books, inspired from Anastasia a woman in Siberia, who is in such cohesion with the environment, that squirrels and wild animals bring her food.

I made a thread about Russia's Permaculture Revolution here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Also note there is GURPS - Transhuman Space,
which has singularity style predictions,
but also mentions elves and trolls,
also the Memetic Age,
or age of beliefs,
magic is formulated beliefs,
which then appear.

here is an excerpt from GURPS - 4th Edition - Transhuman Space

MEMETICS
The science of memetics is another kind of technology, with
its own capabilities and limitations. It makes propaganda and
related techniques (rhetoric, advertising, popular arts, etc.)
much more powerful and precise, to the point where even a
lone amateur can have quite large-scale effects – but it can’t
reach into individual human brains and reprogram them to
order. (Some nanodrugs might accomplish that, but even with
those, specific words and images can only be planted if the victim’s
environment can be precisely controlled.) Memetics isn’t
telepathy; it’s mass psychology with some powerful scientific
tools and a mechanistic view of its subjects. It also provides a
handy vocabulary for describing social movements and conditions
to players. For example, a “meme
war” is a competitive propaganda campaign,
in which both sides analyze and
break down the ideas being spread by
each other, prepare balancing ideas,
and then try to spread them through a
population which is familiar with
memetics and may be all too aware of
what’s going on.
But memetics doesn’t have to be
actively manipulative. Changing and
propagating memes is hard work, and
not terribly reliable; it is far easier to
observe the “natural” memes in a population,
and work to exploit those.
Edgehunters and analysts might look
rather dull as PCs, but that depends
where they have to work, and what their
goals might be; they can find themselves
out on the fringes of society, acting as talent scouts as much as
advertisers. They can also spot toxic memes before they
spread, and prepare countermeasures. A campaign could
involve a police unit, its official memeticist consultants, and a
couple of sympathetic freelance edgehunters or social activists,
locked in battle with psychopathic meme-hackers who create
suicide cults and nihilist radical movements for kicks.

Since Wicca is magic-spell-casting,
it basically convinces the universe of things,
whereas memetics convinces people,
there is quite a bit of overlap.

I made a thread earlier about dangerous memes and potential meme-vaccines.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A bit off-topic...but as far-fetched as it seems, the Wiccan beliefs seem to be more believable than any other religion or spirituality. Perhaps that is why they are so disliked?

reply to post by xiphias
Wicca! You have noticed, that with Wicca, there is always a definition of the words origin. As if with that definition will come understanding of what Wicca is (or is not). You Wiccan's may have noticed something? When you are all together as a power group, hoping to conjure up what ever needs conjuring, have you noticed...Nothing Happens? Why? Because of the MATHEMATICS. Words can be misused, but mathematics is always True.
W=23, I=9, C=3, C=3, A=1 The 5-letters =39. 39? It equals nothing, why not, because it is not WICCA, the real word is WIKKA! W=23, I=9, K=11, K=11, a=1. The 5-letters =55. Get it: 555. As in: 111-222-333-444-555-666-777-888-999. It is all related, as found in The Holy Bible (KJV only), in one version of The Holy Koran(not Qu'ran), and in our Planetary Configuration and in over 35-UNrelated sciences. the Almighty god, gave everybody a piece of the same pie (only in different forms), and He gave some people the real rituals of WIKKA, not wicca. It is time to stop misusing valuable information, The Solomon Formula is here, it is time to learn it and apply it to WIKKA.

I think part of the reason Wicca doesn't have any prophesies is because prophesies are generally pretty useless and are designed simply to instill fear in the listener. I'm not a Wiccan, but in the Occult there are forces you can come in contact with that may offer prophesies but you have to be careful, you may be dealing with a lower entity and it will be looking to instill fear and other lower emotions in you. From what I gather Wicca is a pretty positive religion and I don't see them having much use for mysterious stories about the end of the world.

Having it's basis in Ceremonial Magick and the Occult I think Wicca tries to empower it's practitioners with the ability to control their destiny and affect the forces around them. Religions that use fear and intimidation to guarantee loyalty in their followers need prophesies and stories about doom and damnation.

reply to post by SamG2016


Actually 39 does equal something, it's equals 12, which is a very sacred number. Even if you reduce it farther it would equal 3 which is an equally sacred number. If you try a ritual and find that it hasn't worked it is probably because you either did it wrong, incorporated incorrect correspondences, or have jumped right into rituals without the fundamental knowledge and study needed to effectively do ritual work of any kind.

It's like computer programming, you can't just jump right in and make the most awesome game of all time, you have to study, practice, and start small.

That is a great question you pose, is it possible that there are but kept secret from the mainstream? Outcomes can be affected or even created when many people become aware of a prophecy, you know like the self fullfilling prophecies we are all aware of? I am going to subscribe to this thread and check back, I think you have pulled down from the Nous an original thought! That is rare.