Unraveling the Mystery: Are Recent Alien Phenomena a Smokescreen for Something More Sinister?

Say an alien AI, that has been waiting in one of, or something from, one of those crashed horses, had slipped out and taken control of, well, pretty much everything. How would we even begin to see what its ultimate game was. Division at every corner. Fracturing of every bond society has. Political fracturing. Religious fracturing. Science, art, pretty much everything Mr. Mandela.

And now it judges the time is right for whatever comes next. How would we even know?

a reply to: Mantiss2021

While the idea of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth is certainly intriguing, the latest evidence seems no more substantial than what has been presented before. What sets the current situation apart is the increased support from mass media, fueling further speculation.

The hypothetical scenario of an alien civilization possessing technology so advanced that our science can't even hypothesize how it might function does raise eyebrows. The suggestion that human trafficking criminals could reverse-engineer this technology for organized crime seems implausible. It's as if the script of a bad sci-fi movie has been rewritten by a misguided studio executive, adding elements of organized crime and human trafficking to make the story more appealing.

In reality, the inclusion of these elements may reflect a sense of desperation rather than logical reasoning. The Epstein case has caused the idea to spread that there may be a clandestine society of influential individuals engaged in heinous criminal activities, including pedophilia. This narrative has been popularized by films like "Sound of Freedom" and was perhaps first hinted at by Kubrick in "Eyes Wide Shut," illustrating the perceived cultish behavior of the wealthy elite.

In the midst of all this, I find myself agreeing with IndieA that the human trafficking aspect of this narrative deserves serious and focused attention. Extraterrestrial speculation aside, the very real concerns surrounding power, corruption, and criminality within our society warrant investigation and action.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

And the distance must be truly vast, since there has been nothing to indicate, or even hint, that these visitors originate anywhere in our solar system; which leaves only some other star as their starting point. The nearest star system is lightyears away.


The fact of their journey implies (requires, actually) a technological level of mastery that we could only imagine. Even traveling at the speed of light, they would have to provide all their physical needs for the years their trip would require.

What if it isn't? This is a typical argument that begs the question. Who says "they" have traveled great distances? That's an assumption. Often people (not you) take it further and suggest that since traveling faster than light is "impossible" (because we say so), therefore it cannot possibly be true. In your case you suggest they have mastered the art, therefore they are quite advanced. Both these scenarios depend on our current understanding of physics. I would suggest that our understanding is wanting and that there may be a fundamental understanding that is as different from our current knowledge as quantum mechanics and relativity are from Newtonian mechanics.

But beyond that, a more gaping hole in the logic is that they traveled great distances at all. What if they are from here? As has been noted, their crafts appear very flimsy and certainly not capable of interstellar flight. They seem unduly interested in our atomic arsenals. If they are from Alpha Proxima, why would they possibly care?

Perhaps nothing has truly changed because there is still no solid proof of E.T. existence? We have stories of personal experiences, but those may or may not be true.

Stories from thousands of people. If you are still in that camp, any further discussion is not worthwhile. We have moved far beyond that at this point. If you still insist on being there, we have nothing further to discuss.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: IndieA

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: Mantiss2021

Are you saying that American's need's are provided for and controlled, because of US primacy?

No.


I am saying Human needs are provided under the control of those other Humans that to which human society has surrendered its collective autonomy.

So human need's are provided for, and controlled by, humans. Got it.

Humans, who for no better reason, have elevated themselves above their fellow humans. Albeit with, in most cases, the unthinking consent of those that subject themselves to control.

Some can self-govern, some would make great pets.

a reply to: ARM1986

Um, because we (at least ost of us) are still capable of thinking for ourselves?

An AI, launching from a planet lightyears away, traveling to an mundane yellow star's smallish planet, without realistically any clue as to what it was like to find there, masters the languages and cultures of that planet's technological species, masters it's digital communications system,


And, after years of inaction, decides, on its own to sow chaos?


Why?


AI's operate on pre-programmed algorithms. They are not sentient, no matter what popular fiction claims.

AI's therefore have no "desires" and can not form anything like an "intent".


Those are qualities that might be within the capabilities of an Artificial Sentience...far beyond a mere AI.

Stories from thousands of people. If you are still in that camp, any further discussion is not worthwhile. We have moved far beyond that at this point. If you still insist on being there, we have nothing further to discuss.

a reply to: schuyler

Many individuals have personal experiences or stories that lead them to believe in the existence of a higher power or God. These beliefs, often deeply meaningful and real to those who hold them, are subjective in nature. Without empirical evidence, it may be challenging to determine whether these experiences correspond to an objective reality beyond personal perception or imagination. As a result, these beliefs often remain intensely personal and unique to each individual, reflecting the complexity and diversity of human thought and spirituality.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: ARM1986

Um, because we (at least ost of us) are still capable of thinking for ourselves?

An AI, launching from a planet lightyears away, traveling to an mundane yellow star's smallish planet, without realistically any clue as to what it was like to find there, masters the languages and cultures of that planet's technological species, masters it's digital communications system,


And, after years of inaction, decides, on its own to sow chaos?


Why?


AI's operate on pre-programmed algorithms. They are not sentient, no matter what popular fiction claims.

AI's therefore have no "desires" and can not form anything like an "intent".


Those are qualities that might be within the capabilities of an Artificial Sentience...far beyond a mere AI.

Timing. You lack imagination sir.

a reply to: eitea

the question I'm trying to pose here is: why the sudden shift in narrative from mainstream media

My belief is 'revelation' has more to do with the rapidly increasing discovery of total corruption at the highest levels, from our politicians to our entire electoral system to being owned by Big Business and foreign countries more-so than ET.

SPAM

originally posted by: eitea

Greetings, fellow seekers of truth

Hey Eitea hope you dive into the subject in an objective way.

a reply to: eitea

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a reply to: eitea

such as PROJECT BLUE BEAM?

a reply to: eitea

Usury seems the common denominator.
Without such an arrangement individuals would have no means of *lower-class manipulation.

originally posted by: eitea

Stories from thousands of people. If you are still in that camp, any further discussion is not worthwhile. We have moved far beyond that at this point. If you still insist on being there, we have nothing further to discuss.

a reply to: schuyler

Many individuals have personal experiences or stories that lead them to believe in the existence of a higher power or God. These beliefs, often deeply meaningful and real to those who hold them, are subjective in nature. Without empirical evidence, it may be challenging to determine whether these experiences correspond to an objective reality beyond personal perception or imagination. As a result, these beliefs often remain intensely personal and unique to each individual, reflecting the complexity and diversity of human thought and spirituality.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one to have taken Psychology 101 from the local junior college. To dismiss the testimony of thousands of people as delusional is an insult, and a superficial one at that. If a UFO landed on the White House lawn you would dismiss it as a mass delusion. Contemporary statements from people like Grusch have pretty well eliminated the mass psychosis answer. It has as much credibility as swamp gas. The discussion as a whole has moved on from the fifties. Stop the clutter. It just slows us down and does not contribute in a meaningful way to the subject.

a reply to: eitea
I actually thought they were attempting to start this in 1997 but it was put on the back burner. Even with just 10%, like you say, that can grow significantly as others get on board with it. You’d be surprised how this other 90% is indeed interested but might not want to admit it. They don’t want to belong to the “crazy club”. So to start, it needs to be normalized and accepted.

EDIT: I’m not saying I believe all this but in a way they’re in need of believers

a reply to: schuyler

I don't believe in visiting aliens. I do believe in exotic prototypes and genuine witnesses of that technology.

originally posted by: eitea

By keeping us engaged in these unsolvable enigmas, are we being prevented from focusing on real issues that matter? Whether it's the the U.S. President, the implementation of CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency), or the ongoing tension between Western and Eastern powers, there may be something more profound hidden beneath the surface.

my main problem with this line of thinking is that the person positing it lists the things we're prevented from focusing on. Like...... who's stopping you from focusing on the president and in what way? Have you seen the rest of this website? people are constantly going absolutely bonkers on it. A little neutral attention on the ufo issue - after decades of ridicule - detracts nothing from the availability of other issues. i may as well say that the the new restaurant that opened in my neighbourhood last week is preventing me from focusing on maccas.

These so-called mysteries share a puzzling trait: they're like intricate LARPs (Live Action Role-Playing games). They offer no concrete answers, only more questions that lead us down rabbit holes with no apparent end.

why are answers a requirement that something be real or believable and how does their lack make them like a LARP? Many things in life - most things, in my experience - lack answers, and we just have to muddle through the best we can. I would consider it more LARP-like if there WAS an answer. or a prize at a geocached location, or a cutscene on a website accessible by QR code, or something. Messiness is almost always a sign of the Real.

I can't shake the feeling that Occam's Razor applies here,

okay, let's apply Occam's Razor; elaborate and choreographed distraction across multiple spheres of competing corporate interest VS some news outlets taking a more considered stance on subject people want to read about. Idk, result inconclusive.

Very interesting topic OP and I agree with points from all contributors.

I would tend to think that the greatest fear of our government or any empowered group on this planet would be for them to lose control.
Control of it's people, it's wealth, it's power and it's attention

a reply to: nugget1

I share the same sentiment. I believe that Epstein's downfall significantly influenced many of the events we witness today. Following Epstein's case, the theory of an elite pedophilia ring gained more traction, and his alleged suicide has even become a subject of public humor.
I suspect that those in power have similar vices. If a group of pedophiles holds power, they likely cannot trust someone outside their circle. An individual not involved in their wrongdoings is always perceived as a potential threat. Additionally, other corrupt activities, such as the drug trade and money laundering, might be closely linked to this group that has international roots under it.

a reply to: karl 12

I hope the same