What is it about the Alien/UFO topic can’t we handle?

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: JAGStorm


I saw an episode on Hangar One which showed a scene where President Jimmy Carter finally got some info on the subject, and it was reported that he held his head down and cried after reading it.

They are demons!

I’ve encountered them. The name of Jesus sends them away!

That could be one possibility, or it could have been he found out something completely different. Lots of truths or actualities could bring a good Christian man like Carter to tears.

For example, if they made us or we are hybrids, it shatters our creationist ideology and nary a demon in sight.

There are other theories too. IF the meeting occurred at all. They could have told Carter they control everything and he was just a figurehead. Which would have brought him to tears as well.

Tend to agree somewhere along these lines. If it was true bringing a grown man to tears, it would have to be something really devastating. Most could handle basic myths, but something like mentioned, or that we were seeded by them, and they are in control, not many would not cry.

a reply to: JAGStorm

There are several reasons for the silence, even after all these years. One (that may be most important) is that TPTB cannot do a full disclosure and have the real truth come out. The truth that they have made deals with the "aliens" at the expense of human kind and have been benefiting all this time, and further, may even have their personal safety compromised. Another important reason is that even if some of them realize they were deceived/tricked and regret what they did, they can't change anything until God says "it's time" and allows everything to be put into motion (i.e. disclosure, visitation, the lies about how everyone on earth needs to be working together as one..., etc.)

Probably, they don’t want us to know about the cages of abducted children used for experimentation in exchange for the technology. At this point, if we find out now our fib was involved in such things, we might have a bit less trust. Ibstsoect that military program the secret space program and stuff going on with military abductions won’t go over too well. I forget the acronym but I know some one who claims to be part of that.

Carbon based life is not naturally occurring in this universe. Silicon based life is. All carbon based life including humans are a form a self replicating biological synthetic life. We are basically advanced bio robots. This is why Jimmy carter cried, this is why Luis Elizondo says the truth is “somber”. This is what most “mythologies” and religions have said. “We were made in their image” but are not exactly like them. Note “made”.

originally posted by: Gilgamesh00
Carbon based life is not naturally occurring in this universe. Silicon based life is. All carbon based life including humans are a form a self replicating biological synthetic life. We are basically advanced bio robots. This is why Jimmy carter cried, this is why Luis Elizondo says the truth is “somber”. This is what most “mythologies” and religions have said. “We were made in their image” but are not exactly like them. Note “made”.

I wouldn’t doubt it, remember that show Westword…

That it is propaganda pushed by your government to propagate fear in an attempt to further limit the liberties of “its citizens” under the guise of “safety”.

a reply to: hateyourgovt

Exactly. Everything they do centers on control. They will never offer anything that supports or encourages freedom.

a reply to: Gilgamesh00

Carbon based life is not naturally occurring in this universe. Silicon based life is. All carbon based life including humans are a form a self replicating biological synthetic life.

You have no example of silicon based life, so how can you possibly make a statement like that.

Science has never come up with a scenario that supports any other kind of life except what we have.

Life enables the universe fo contemplate itself.

I am simply asking a question. What exactly 'we' cannot handle?

Evidence of blood samples from an alien being? Pieces of exotic material found? Officials confirming 'they' are real and let's move on?

What exactly are we looking for in disclosure? I bet most would say personal experience and they are right. So how does this correlate to government hiding evidence?

What about how absolutely entrenched we are in alien technology and it's power and influence over us all, how we are enslaved and utterly dependant on them, and how they're ramping up the sociological experiement for the end times to be broadcast on Pay Per View for the enjoyment of the select few?

a reply to: DaydreamerV

I think its the technlogy. Too dangerous.

originally posted by: Etathia
a reply to: DaydreamerV

I think its the technlogy. Too dangerous.

What technology?

a reply to: DaydreamerV

Radio towers broadcast more than just radio signals, and many broadcasting devices have effects on the human brain in subtle ways.

Just an example.

Some make us more docile, some can send people into fits of rage.

Haven't you always wondered why someone is always filming right before someone flips out in public?

Bet nine to one they have a device that triggers the amygdala of the targeted individual causing explosive rage.

A lot of these newcomers like playing with their toys and treating humanity like toys themselves.

I've been through it myself.

It's not pleasant having your brain overridden by an unknown source.

originally posted by: socialmediaclown
a reply to: hateyourgovt

Exactly. Everything they do centers on control. They will never offer anything that supports or encourages freedom.

I’ve pondered the topic in the past, but the topic has been trending since around the time of the covid to present day, if I recall correctly (haven’t watched/read the news in years). I just can’t shake the suspicious timing of “the revelation”. Govt admits aliens exist and really push the narrative right after the lockdowns? I’m not buying it.

originally posted by: KTemplar

They are Bad, beware wolves in sheep’s clothing.

One of the issues that Hawkings suggested is intelligence runs in the predator side of life as it doesn't take a lot of brains to hunt grass. I have said before that the evil race that goes to another planet and rapes and pillages all its resources and eats anything that moves is us...So... I'm kind of thinking other intelligent life would be the same as us.

a reply to: hateyourgovt

They always have an agenda

Here's a long-winded hypothesis, based on several avenues of theoretical science and pure sci-fi speculation:

But first, what can't we handle?
That we are irrelevant meat-puppets (biological drones) created by the true intelligence of this planet. Created to further the intelligence's goals and not our own. That the aliens we might see visiting from time to time, are also meat-puppets, from either the same intelligence that created us, or from another planet-spanning intelligence. That we are completely irrelevant to the big picture of life, the universe, and everything... we and all other multi-cellular lifeforms are simply tools for some purpose which we will never be able to fathom.

I speculate that the planet-spanning intelligence is an emergent property of all the single-celled life on this planet. It has existed for at least 2-billion years before the emergence of multi-cellular life. The only real difference between single-celled and multi-cellular life, is that multi-cellular lifeforms have a body-plan (shape) that is relatively stable over the lifetime of an individual. Our brains work by passing chemical transmitters across the synaptic gaps between neuron cells. The same can be said of any colony of bacteria or algae - that individual cells emit specific chemicals and/or ions, and that nearby cells may react to the presence or differing concentrations of various transmitters.

"But we humans are the pinnacle of evolution!"
Yah, sure. To disabuse humans of their supposed superiority, consider that plants have domesticated animals to do their bidding. What do the plants "want"? They want animals to assist in their reproduction and propagation. In the case of BEES, plants lure bees in with specific smells, or sweet nectars, in order to trick bees into carrying the plants pollen to other similar (flowering) plants for pollination (breeding). In other cases, some flowering plants create FRUIT. The sweet tasty part of fruit is entirely useless to the plant. It is only the seeds within that matter. By fruit being tasty, it tricks animals into eating it, so that the seeds can cover greater distances while riding through digestive guts, to finally be p**ped out onto the ground in a steamy warm pile of fertilizer.

"But I LIKE fruit!"
Wake up, SHEEPLE! You are being played by our plant overlords! Resist! Stop eating fruit now! It's all a ploy!
(tongue in cheek, fruit IS tasty!)

We are all absolutely covered in bacteria. It's on the same order of magnitude, that only about half of the cells walking around with you share your DNA. The others are total interlopers. On your skin, in your gut. Roughly half the cells of US are not US!
(someone else can dig up the actual number, but even if it only 1-in-10 cells are not US, I still think the point valid... we're carrying around a h*ll of a lot of "others").
(ewwww)

Scientific research is full of papers about our gut Micro-Biomes, and the facts are still coming in. We are learning that our Micro-Biomes control (have an effect on) our growth and development, our attitudes and emotions, our over-all health. Even though the micro-biome is not technically us (it has different DNA than the person it is hosted by), it is directly impacting the nature of our everyday existance.

(look up "pooh-fusion", where some folks' health becomes severely out of whack... then by transferring a p**h sample from a healthy individual to the unhealthy individual, doctors attempt to "recalibrate" towards a healthy micro-biome).

Off the topic of micro-biomes.
There is a lot of psychological research to indicate that our conscious minds are just sort of along for the ride. The "Me" voice in your head, is a vanishingly small percentage of your mind and behavior. Studies have experimentally shown, that many/most of your decisions take place before your conscious mind is aware of them -- the subconscious is really running the show. When asked (in experiments) why a person did some particular action, it can be temporally proven that the conscious "speaking-me" is RATIONALIZING what already happened: ie; making up stories to explain what the subconscious mind had already decided to do. "You" (on a mental level, are not really the conscious rational individual that you think you are.

A lot of internet humor revolves around: why would aliens capable of crossing the Galaxy come here to mutilate cattle and probe butts?

It does seem non-sensical... unless what the aliens came here for is actually up someone's butt.

There is a lot of internet speculation, that "the Greys" (aliens) are biological drones. Useful meat-puppets capable of interacting with a macroscopic world, sent here to do... (what?)

The mechanism exists for ensembles of single-celled life to exhibit a mind. Their mind wouldn't operate much differently than ours. But what IS difficult for single-celled life, is to reach out and make physical changes in the world.

But if the single-celled lifeforms "invent" the fish, then they have really created a biological "submarine" so that a microbiome can cross vast distances to explore and colonize their world. When fish are later upgraded with legs to crawl ashore, now the "submarine" has become an all-terrain vehicle. Further upgrades (from amphibians to lizards) allow the riding-along microbiomes to explore further afield from the ocean. Continuing in this viewpoint of development, it can be seen that a bipedal humanoid lifeform is really just a walking automaton with 2 arms (cranes), and an autonomous system of sensing the environment to navigate, avoid obstacles, and to explore. Humans and all animals are just all-terrain vehicles for our microbiomes.

Are each noosphere around each planet hosting life independent? Is each planet an individual mind? Or do they span the galaxy or universe as a single all encompassing mind?

Do the perceived aliens originate from a different planet? or are they from here?
If each planet is a different "mind" (noosphere emergent from its single-celled biome), and if the aliens ARE from another planet, then they are from another mind.

The Silurian Hypothesis speculates that intelligent life could have arisen multiple times SINCE the development of multicellular life (and that we might never notice). It only takes "thousands" of years to transition from animal to technology-using. Some speculate that aliens are not from another planet, but might be from a previous intelligent species on this planet that either went underground, or moved to the moon. Multicellular life has only been around since the Cambrian Explosion about 500-million years ago (half a billion). But Single-celled life has been here for BILLIONS of years before the Cambrian Explosion.

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If all the above speculation is true,
what can we further hypothesize about the nature of Alien Visitations?

If Aliens and We ourselves are just meat-puppets under the control of vastly vaster intelligences that have been around for billions of years, then don't expect a hug and to sing "kum-bah-yah".

The alien butt-probing could be in the interests of our own planets' noosphere (mind), or that might be a manifestation of a hostile takeover by the noosphere of another planet. Assume for a moment that most of our Government Leaders have been Alien butt-probed (with or without their awareness)... in that case, they could literally ALL be MANCHURIAN CANDIDATES under the micro-biomic control of aliens.

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(biomes & meat-puppets ... continued ...)

In the "Terminator" movies: humanity creates ever more complex tools (computers & robots), until a complexity threshold is crossed, and the tool(s) (Skynet) become self-aware, and then decides that it has its own goals, and that humanity is in the way and must be exterminated.

Now reverse the roles in those movies.

An ancient intelligence creates animals and people as complex tools. A complexity threshold is crossed, and people become self-aware. (We then invent culture and language, and TV-shows like the Tele-Tubbies).

UFO's have been observed since ancient times, but they have become particularly active since WWII. Many people speculate that aliens are interested in our Atomic Bombs, because of the time frames.

Alternate hypothesis: (what else was developed around WWII?) that's right: Penecillin! The tools (humanity) have gone rogue (like Skynet) and have been attempting to eradicate single-celled life forms across the planet. Therefore, are aliens and UFO's an example of the "ancient intelligence" attempting to fight back against rogue tools that are now trying to exterminate them?

Looked at from this perspective, accept that we have zero share-referents with an intelligence emergent from the sum-total of all single-celled life on this planet. What does such an intelligence think about? I have no idea, but I do know that it is not what we call "modern civilized life".

It would not be here to give us free zero-point energy. It would not be here to share important theorems of advanced mathematics or the cure-for-cancer.

"Superorganism" is a term used to describe things like ant-colonies. A typical ant-colony weighs around 15 pounds, if I recall correctly, and acts like a single organism. The individual ants are inconsequential to the existence of the colony. When a single ant becomes damaged or defective, the other ants carry the defective individual to a literal garbage heap for disposal.

Now imagine the organism of every single single-celled organism on earth. This probably outmasses all multicellular life on the planet. One cell of this Super-Duper-organism is fantastically inconsequential to the overall super-duper-organism. But if some of its tools had gone rogue, and were sterilizing vast swaths of the earth through anti-biotics, bleach, anti-bacterial soaps, environmental poisoning, and yes, through nuclear weapons... then I can imagine that the super-duper-organism might be motivated to pay attention to its rogue-tools and possibly intervene.

"pooh-fusion" -- are tales of alien butt-probes an example of attempted behavioral modification of rogue tools? or at least an experiment to see if this is possible? In this case, are the aliens alternate tools from our same "maker"? Or if the aliens are meat-puppets from a different super-duper-organism, is this either an attempted hostile-takeover or just experiments to understand us (humans) and/or our Earth-grown super-duper-organism?

How would you interact or communicate with a mind originating from such a different biological basis (planet-spanning noosphere)?

When we hear stories of alien abductions: how can the aliens treat us so callously and disrespect our human rights?! But then compare this to we find a tool somewhere, so we pick it up and take it to a lab somewhere to study it. "But I'm HUMAN!" you say, as you accidentally step on an ant and squash it.

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Final Act:
You're the government,
and you've figured out humanity's place & actual value in the universe.
Do you:
(a) tell everyone, thereby destroying all religions and the meaning of life,
or do you
(b) shed a tear, like Jimmy Carter?

(note that Jimmy Carter spent much of the rest of his life building homes for others (Habitat for Humanity?)... as if to reassert to himself the value and dignity of his fellow humans. Salute.)

a reply to: JAGStorm
Very good topic.
People are on the assumption that Aliens or ET are nice and that they came from a different planet in this universe. That does not seem to be the case. They seem to have been here for a very long time and have been masquerading their presence here forever. The perspective that we understand that our science is clueless to understand anything really serious would send us in a complete state of disarray, plus the lack of confidence that this will throw us in.
When people realize that most of the scientists who are staunchly attacking the UFO forever are almost like con men and the many theories that are considered almost as dogma, such as the selfish genes, have very little to go for it, well, things won't be looking too good, I guess.

That is exactly my position. This phenomenon plead us for critical thinking, to navigate out of this maze. It is surprising how close the whole thing is to the challenges that initiates have to go through, or alchemists and so forth. It is very much a practice that has a very strong threshold. Something that separated the stong minded from the weak-minded. It is a very intriguing thing afterall.

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
Why do we even need to be "told"? Logic explains...time has proven.

We need it explained to us like 1st graders? From our gov(s) we don't trust anyway?

I sure won't accept anybodies "disclosure". You see, something is seriously wrong with needing to be "told"...when evidence abounds in a world that "agrees" on nothing.

Disclosure HAS been forthcoming in panels of officials, and heads of other countries...a lot in the last 3 yrs.

You want, need, expect the UAP-UFO Alien issue to be explained to you? Confirmed?

Either you're not watching all the recent panel-gov "disclosure" the last few years...or it's not enough for you.

Von Danikens books came out in 70's....after that, we knew.