The Irony of a Conspiracy Theorist

As you all are acutely aware, we’ve recently seen an influx of alien and ufo (UAP) news regarding our own government. The main questions are in regards to what our government entities actually know, and if any agencies within the government are actively covering up their respective knowledge on the subject.

The recent David Grusch whistleblower testimony to congress has certainly highlighted the rising media attention. But, the reaction of ATS members is not what I expected.

Obviously ‘Deny Ignorance’ is a phrase we all attempt to stand by. This means we question everything, which helps us to avoid manipulation.

But, after the ‘Grusch’ testimony I’ve noticed something peculiar. After years of awaiting some sliver of light, some sign that actual disclosure from our government might happen, many of you have jumped the shark.

Has the government misdirection campaign been so effective that now you yourselves aren’t capable of belief in anything? If so, we are now too far gone and are under their spell completely.

Think about this, a bonafide and credentialed intelligence officer spills the beans under oath to congress, on national television no less, but he is immediately dismissed by many of you as a shill?

And this is despite the many years of mounting evidence and literally thousands of accounts of unexplainable encounters, many involving our own military. We all know the stories, the first hand accounts…our own experiences…

But now, once again, an individual who was given a responsibility to investigate these issues and gather intelligence by our government is telling you there’s a cover-up. He’s gone against the grain, lawyered up and spoken out…with many others lending their public support of him.

Yet, instead of enthusiastically celebrating some progress, however how small, you’ve now decided it’s all a stage.

Some of you are truly lost.

Our government cannot afford a population that further mistrusts them, especially after the COVID issues and our citizenry’s growing skepticism of anything and everything. They don’t want the RFKs of the world being legitimate president candidates. The last thing they need is public accusations by congress of illegal activity as well as the promise of investigations. And, this is a congress who has grown tired of intelligence agencies and the military complex and her proxies.

I’m not suggesting to blindly believe anything. I’m suggesting that we don’t dismiss things outright just because for so long we’ve seen the government so successful at suppression.

The chinks in the armor are growing. Deny ignorance indeed.

a reply to: lambs to lions

Not to speak for anyone but myself, for me it's a matter of timing. Why now?

I'm skeptical, more than I would be, because the walls protecting some of the worst crimes in the world are starting to crumble exposing not only the deeds but the players as well.

This disclosure seems like its just an "antibody" being released to stop a "truth infection", so to speak.

Disclosure is great, but I'm more inclined to keep my eye on the ball, on REAL things that are REALLY happening.

This "disclosure" psyop doesn't trump anything else for me at this time. Those pushing it would like it to be, but I'm not buying it. Gotta remain focused.

Our government cannot afford a population that further mistrusts them

originally posted by: ColeYounger

Our government cannot afford a population that further mistrusts them

Telemarketers beat out Congress! OUCH!

Geezus... smh..

a reply to: lambs to lions

Obviously ‘Deny Ignorance’ is a phrase we all attempt to stand by. This means we question everything, which helps us to avoid manipulation.

I haven't been visiting ATS much lately. There has been a big difference in the dialogue for a long time. Since the original owners sold the site, the transformation has been obvious.

I no longer feel the want or need to make threads as they would get no attention, the political nonsense has taken over and I do not believe it was/is by accident.

Gotta get back to work. Have a great day.

Well, not everyone here is going to agree, which is kind of the point, right?

And Honestly, after so many years of getting hopes up, and the absolute debacle of the handling of covid, and all the lies, it is hard to believe anything we hear anymore.

I believe something is going on.
I believe some type of Alien tech has been found.

The "why now" is what scares me a bit.

BTW, good to see you back here!

a reply to: lambs to lions

Excellent post!


I could not have put it more eloquently; when you trust in no one, and are suspicious of everything, you soon must admit to yourself that you cannot trust even yourself.

That is the path to madness.


Our world has seen, and is seeing, an ever increasing pace of change, in an ever increasing number of areas. With change come uncertainty. With uncertainty come risk. With risk comes fear.


Many people have a hard time dealing with the fear that uncertainty can entail; so they choose to avoid, or try to prevent, or at least, slow, the rate and scope of change they face.

But it is a loosing battle.


Some withdraw into themselves, preferring to re-invent a nostalgic past (that never truly existed as they imagine it), where fear is banished because the challenges they faced back then were resolved.


Some try to assuage their fear of the possible changes to come by denying that anything can change, and that any changes that cannot be denied, are the product of deception, and therfore most certainly evil to be avoided and denounced.


It is difficult to deny ignorance, especially when ignorance, in its so very many forms, promises such bliss.

Many of us have a complete distrust of MSM information that can and has been proven to manipulate society into thinking and behaving in particular directions. The MSM is the Governments mouthpiece and for so many of us that is iron clad. If this, "whistle blower" was actually revealing something so astounding and secret he would be treated like Julian Assange rather than going on talk shows and making public appearances about this subject. For me personally, if the main stream is going in this direction under the guise of disclosure, then we are purposefully being led down that path, which in my experience never
ends well for ordinary citizens?

originally posted by: lambs to lions
As you all are acutely aware, we’ve recently seen an influx of alien and ufo (UAP) news regarding our own government. The main questions are in regards to what our government entities actually know, and if any agencies within the government are actively covering up their respective knowledge on the subject.

The recent David Grusch whistleblower testimony to congress has certainly highlighted the rising media attention. But, the reaction of ATS members is not what I expected.

Obviously ‘Deny Ignorance’ is a phrase we all attempt to stand by. This means we question everything, which helps us to avoid manipulation.

But, after the ‘Grusch’ testimony I’ve noticed something peculiar. After years of awaiting some sliver of light, some sign that actual disclosure from our government might happen, many of you have jumped the shark.

Has the government misdirection campaign been so effective that now you yourselves aren’t capable of belief in anything? If so, we are now too far gone and are under their spell completely.

Think about this, a bonafide and credentialed intelligence officer spills the beans under oath to congress, on national television no less, but he is immediately dismissed by many of you as a shill?

And this is despite the many years of mounting evidence and literally thousands of accounts of unexplainable encounters, many involving our own military. We all know the stories, the first hand accounts…our own experiences…

But now, once again, an individual who was given a responsibility to investigate these issues and gather intelligence by our government is telling you there’s a cover-up. He’s gone against the grain, lawyered up and spoken out…with many others lending their public support of him.

Yet, instead of enthusiastically celebrating some progress, however how small, you’ve now decided it’s all a stage.

Some of you are truly lost.

Our government cannot afford a population that further mistrusts them, especially after the COVID issues and our citizenry’s growing skepticism of anything and everything. They don’t want the RFKs of the world being legitimate president candidates. The last thing they need is public accusations by congress of illegal activity as well as the promise of investigations. And, this is a congress who has grown tired of intelligence agencies and the military complex and her proxies.

I’m not suggesting to blindly believe anything. I’m suggesting that we don’t dismiss things outright just because for so long we’ve seen the government so successful at suppression.

The chinks in the armor are growing. Deny ignorance indeed.

BC Project Blue beam

a reply to: ColeYounger

I think police officers is way wrong. At least here they are as bad as congressmen

a reply to: liejunkie01

I think you are more right than you know

a reply to: lambs to lions

Our government has less credibility than Secure Team 10. That’s why.

And if this a controlled leak (I believe it is, otherwise David would have disappeared), then we must ask the question - why now?

a reply to: liejunkie01

It’s not by accident

a reply to: KKLOCO

Because of what’s going on behind the scenes between a global cabal and the American priesthood. The ruling class are beginning to turn on each other to save themselves. A deal was brokered, the deal was broken, and we’re seeing the consequences play out as the priesthood removes them from power.

None of it really makes sense unless you know how the ruling class came to power and what the American priesthood has done to remove them from power.

a reply to: lambs to lions

It’s like the second gun man or the shooter on the grassy knoll. It’s a way to please the mind of the conspiracy theorist, but also guarantee that all eyes even the eyes of the best observant people are focused on anything outside of the vehicle. Never letting our thoughts get to who sat closest to JFK as his head exploded. We are argue about where the “shot” came from and debate the “magic bullet” but we never imagine that his head was detonated.

So now globalist want us look outside our earth and our government for answers. Blame aliens for their sins.

How can we get Americans to trust Saudi Arabia again… 9/11…Aliens.
Human trafficking… Aliens
Global warming….Aliens
Epstein…. Aliens
Demons and Angles… Aliens

Like the SNL skit The Church Lady. Could it be could it beee..ALIENS!!!

Keep our eyes on the sky, Not on those who we have given our trust.

a reply to: lambs to lions

show me a picture of the downed craft, or one of the biologics spoke of.

It's not that none of us believe, hell, most of us want nothing more than for this to be true. And to some degree, it likely is. I don't doubt "we" have craft and likely bodies in a hangar somewhere. "THEY" have lied and obfuscated so often, that until you show me the craft and or the body, I will have to assume you are lying.

Please tell me I don't need to talk to you about the boy who cried wolf.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: lambs to lions

show me a picture of the downed craft, or one of the biologics spoke of.

It's not that none of us believe, hell, most of us want nothing more than for this to be true. And to some degree, it likely is. I don't doubt "we" have craft and likely bodies in a hangar somewhere. "THEY" have lied and obfuscated so often, that until you show me the craft and or the body, I will have to assume you are lying.

Please tell me I don't need to talk to you about the boy who cried wolf.

What would seeing "the picture of the downed craft" do? Even seeing it with your own eyes proves nothing more than the possibility of a really good "prop".

As to the biologics; what are you expecting to see? If what you (we) are shown, in no way appears to be a "body", or even a body "part", Wil that be proof a lie?

The truth might be, likely will be unlike anything you (we) could expect.

The question then becomes, will you accept it as the truth?

originally posted by: KKLOCO
And if this a controlled leak (I believe it is, otherwise David would have disappeared), then we must ask the question - why now?

Perhaps the time is right to use the technology evolved over many decades to commit a massive false flag that this may all lead to so as to control the masses by fear, confusion and panic. Again.

A new religion is in the making maybe.

a reply to: lambs to lions
Did you or did you not notice these 5 red flags that appeared when the Grusch story came out?


1. No Evidence
2. No Secrets-DOPSR review means he's not telling us anything classified.
3. Grusch hung up on a reporter from the New York Post instead of answering questions
4. Dubious Sources, Kean and Blumenthal were wrong in their 2017 NYT article
5. Other news sources had the story but didn't publish, needed more time (for what? Fact checking?)

By the way I believe he may be telling the truth, that people told him some stuff and showed him some documents.
But assessing whether there's any truth in what people told him is another matter, and that requires good evidence.
Look at the scientific standards for announcing the discovery of a new particle like the Higgs boson, it has to pass the "5 sigma test" which is a very high standard of showing evidence that the claim is true? So assuming Grush is telling the truth that he didn't see anything himself, what standard of evidence should be applied to the sources of the stories he heard? It should be at least as high as what's required to announce a new particle, right? But we have zero.

And have you noticed the low quality of the story he has talked about with the Italian UFO which is almost certainly a hoax which has zero verifiable evidence? Doesn't that cast some doubt on this situation from your perspective? If not, why not? It should.

Pentagon ‘whistleblower’ claims Vatican helped US retrieve UFO from Benito Mussolini

Grusch, unfortunately, had no solid evidence for his claims, saying the documents and data were classified, but that he should be believed, regardless, because “I have the credentials, and I was an intelligence officer.”

Wouldn't a real whistleblower show us the documents like Ed Snowden did? Snowden was a real whistleblower and provided real documentation. I would be disappointed in ATS if they swallowed the Benito Mussolini story based on nothing but Grusch's word and I don't know why you wouldn't want to see some evidence of that yourself before buying into the story.

It's because we've gone from wanting to know all, to know it all's, people are way too gangster now to see truth.