The Alien Deception

a reply to: JumpTheGun76

It’s okay if you don’t understand centuries old writing.

I think the others created humanity. In the beginning they stayed with us to teach us right from wrong and to give us a nudge (or possibly more than a nudge) into a structured society with a goal of advancement.
Something along the lines of hey you need to figure out these resources that are on your planet and how to utilize them to better humanity. In order to do this you'll need to work together and in order for you to work together you'll need a leader you'll need rich and poor educated and uneducated and so on.. in order to form into all of these classes you'll need a large population and in order to sustain that population you'll need advancements in technology.

Okay so we're on our way to whatever end. The others are like " cool were going to leave you alone for a long time and let you grow in whatever way you will with no intervention, stick to these commandments and when we return you'll be good."

Perhaps they built the pyramids as undeniable evidence that could stand the test of time that they were here.. maybe this period of time is when they last interacted with us and this is why our religions all stem from ancient Egyptian times. Maybe religion is man's best interpretation of their orders and the strange going ons of a time where they interacted with humanity.

I think real question here is not where they are from, how they got here or what they look like but why have we been set on this path of endless advancement no matter the cost. What is it that we hope to find or achieve? Because what we are doing in the meantime is destroying our planet. We know it and so do they but no one stops it.. what if the earth's fate has always been doomed.

Perhaps they know that a planet can only house such a society necessary for proper advancement for so long. Maybe that's what revelations is all about. Who gets saved and who gets left behind on the dying planet.

I think something to this effect is what all of the clues for me line up to be.. or maybe they just like how our cows taste. Not sure.

a reply to: Crowfoot
Sad for you, genuinely

Look I understand having some sacrifice as an excuse to run around and do what you want... Been one for more than one person. in such a thing can you not see the same from your own experience?

I already said how to get to heaven and maintain heaven... If you think I'm interested in the extreme of heaven and the extreme of hell then you should question my experience of them.

Once in that heaven through that process though... You're the source of it not god. Dragging others in and out of it is your choice.

The Biblical fellow refereed to as Jesus had help getting into the stream making him a slave to who showed him... Saying he was the way the truth and the light? Neglected who taught him. The way is well known by Confucius Taoists, The truth well known by Buddhists the light? That's just mind.

a reply to: CelestialAnomaly

I believe you have contradicted yourself in your OP.

You seem to chastise others for pushing the idea of what Aliens are. You then propose an equally pigeon holed idea of what they are.

I agree with you in one sense, that these entities are likely other dimensional. But I do not agree they are formless and without matter. I tend to believe you are correct that they can manifest themselves or holograms of what people expect to see. But remember, these objects and beings have been reported since historical and prehistorical eras. So they are not likely manifesting what we expect to see, as this is what has been seen since eras gone by.

My point in pointing out the err in your logic is that they could be anything. And the bible DOES NOT describe what angels are, where they are from, or if they are all the same. The bible describes three heavens, and even describes more on top of those. So you can literally let your imagination run wild. The angels of the bible could be aliens, interdimensional beings, or something else. They could even be other people from other worlds that are dominated by angels and demons as are we, and all part of a great deception that only works because of two reasons: they are not described in the bible, with knowledge of their existence prohibited; and/or they are direct creations of God, who will portray themselves as other naturally evolved creatures per our false beliefs in darwinian evolution.

Our imaginations on what they could be just keeps expanding. Do not pigeon hole yourself, as tomorrow your rabbit hole may have led to a new rabbit hole obliterating your previous belief.

Where is it we came from? Sure, we procreate here on earth but we can't ignore the question where it actually is where we come from.

Sure, we call all this "the universe" and it might seem normal to us because it's all most of us have ever seen.

We are no different than any alien, we all are occupants of places we somehow began to exist. Do you think it is any different?

a reply to: MetalGrand

It’s okay if you don’t understand centuries old writing.

Do you understand? You do know that the bible has changed over time right? Go look at the old testament compared to the new testament. See how brutal the old testament is? That is why they changed it! So what's real? The old or new testament?

You happy with God brutality and violence in the old testament? You know, murder, slavery, and the killings of new born babies?

If anything, in the bible they talk about ufo sightings.

Ezekiel’s chariot
Elijah fiery chariot
The Nephilim

To name just a few.

Of course basically everything is considered deception that's outside the mind/personality of one owned by religious doctrine/dogma. That said, obviously there has to be proof beyond a REASONABLE doubt to determine the benevolence or malevolence, or however much of both, of anyone.

originally posted by: CelestialAnomaly
From my understanding, there is no intelligent life on other planets or anywhere in outer space. Humans are alone in this universe.

There is no "proof" of intelligent life beyond Earth. Given the known scope of the Universe, there is a high probability that life "should" exist elsewhere. Whether that life could be intelligent or not is of course up for debate.

Interesting first thread. S&F for you.

a reply to: JumpTheGun76

Are you trying to prove my point? I already said that the Bible has multiple instances of other entities or abnormalities like the 3 you listed.

As for Old Testament God vs. New Testament, that’s where Jesus steps in to save.

The biblical authors want us to see that God's anger is always a response to human betrayal and evil, and it's expressed through handing humans over to the logical consequences of their decisions, because he gave us free will. We were always damned to hell since Adam ate from the tree. The only way to be saved is for Jesus to die on the cross and wash away the sins of the ones who accept him.

originally posted by: MetalGrand
a reply to: JumpTheGun76
The only way to be saved is for Jesus to die on the cross and wash away the sins of the ones who accept him.

I thought that already happened?

originally posted by: CelestialAnomaly
There seems to be a sinister reason behind the idea that aliens are from other planets. It definitely looks like those who created this theory are tying to deceive as many people as possible. It appears that they have malevolent intentions and are trying to deliberately mislead people. From my understanding, there is no intelligent life on other planets or anywhere in outer space. Humans are alone in this universe. We were created by God to be the highest form of physical life in this universe. There is nothing for us to find out there. Everything that we should pay attention to is right here on this planet. We don't need to search space or look for other planets to find any secret truths or hidden wisdom. We spend millions on space (and weapons for that matter) meanwhile we have multiple ongoing crisises in this country. There are many people, animals, and plants suffering in this planet who could use our attention. What we should focus on is right in front of us.

It appears that what "aliens" actually are, are interdimensional beings. They are able to take on whatever form they want. They don't follow any laws of physics. "Aliens" have worn many different disguises and masqueraded as numerous different things over the cenuries. These aliens appear as forms that people believe in or expect. They play off people's pre-conditioned beliefs and expeditions. This tells us a lot about what type of beings these are. They obviously have some agenda to manipulate and influence humans. They are trying to deceive as many people as possible. These entities are well known to be tricksters. I think they understand that their influence in this world is coming to an end soon and they are tying to deceive as many people as possible before their time runs out. Angels and demons are very real but it's important to understand that the definitions of words have changed over time. Whereas the word demon typically implies an evil entity these days, that is not what the original definition of the word was. The original definition of demon referred to specific entities that could potentially be good, evil, or neither from a human perspective. It is examples such as this as well as mistranslations of various languages which have lead to different concepts becoming incredibly convoluted and having their original meanings altered over time.

This is nothing but15th century thinking and is stunning. I pity those who fall for this. Religion and religious beliefs really stunt human growth. But whatever, I can't change such deep levels of ignorance but just address a couple of things you claimed:

"From my understanding, there is no intelligent life on other planets or anywhere in outer space. Humans are alone in this universe." -- Where did you acquire this "understanding"? the Bible? Your preacher? Both? Likely. The 2 worst sources for truthful information anywhere.

"There are many people, animals, and plants suffering in this planet who could use our attention. " Excuse me, but where is your god, ANY god, to fix this mess we've been in forever? If you're going to say "that's why we're here, to make this a better world..." then I have to say that we've failed miserably and your god is missing, failing to fix his creation or those entrusted with it.

"It appears that what "aliens" actually are, are interdimensional beings. ... They are trying to deceive as many people as possible. " Sure, some are interdimensional. Not all. There are likely an infinite number of different species of non human intelligences (NHI). Some are pure evil, some are neutral to us, others are benevolent, "good". Just like humans. To say they are demons is just more religious fear and ignorance. If they are trying to deceive us, they are certainly going about it the wrong way. Appearing, as a large number of abductions do, as grey NHI with generally a cold, calculating approach as though they are conducting an experiment, is not the way to win friends and influence people. You'd think their big disguise would be to appear as beautiful, loving people with a message that sells itself. That rarely happens.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268

They are able to take on whatever form they want. They don't follow any laws of physics. "Aliens" have worn many different disguises and masqueraded as numerous different things over the cenuries. These aliens appear as forms that people believe in or expect. They play off people's pre-conditioned beliefs and expeditions.

I will put my money on the greys and similar being of the fae and fairy folk, and therefore terrestrial rather than interstellar.

shape shifting is a language by the way, I can tell you how the fae do it if you ask.

As for people's preconditioned and cultural beliefs, those beliefs and disbiefs are what they have to work with. Those are generally set in stone and without hope of explaining otberwise. How does one introduce new ideas to closed minds?

Religious beliefs are preconfigured as a whitelist and anything not whitelisted is "obviously an evil demon".

Keep in mind the history of, for example, the church, where inquisitions and the like have tortured and killed so many women and children in "god's name".

what was the crime? having unseen friends comes to mind here.

Who exectly are the demons?

I guess it depends on perspective.

yes, tell us about the fee and the shape-shifting language!

a reply to: CelestialAnomaly

From personal experiences I believe that we belong to the multiverse and earth along with humans are shielded from seeing or being able to comprehend other realities.

a reply to: MetalGrand

Are you trying to prove my point? I already said that the Bible has multiple instances of other entities or abnormalities like the 3 you listed

As I explained before. Dragons in the bible a magical mythical creatures. Are you saying dinosaurs were magical mythical creatures? We know they were not. So ether they got it wrong, or they were not talking about dinosaurs.

As for Old Testament God vs. New Testament, that’s where Jesus steps in to save.

There are evil brutal, horrible things in the new testament. It's just the old testament was worse in thst evil and brutality.

The biblical authors want us to see that God's anger is always a response to human betrayal and evil, and it's expressed through handing humans over to the logical consequences of their decisions, because he gave us free will. We were always damned to hell since Adam ate from the tree. The only way to be saved is for Jesus to die on the cross and wash away the sins of the ones who accept him.

Let me ask you something. God must have intelligence and knowledge beyond our understanding right? Then why is it that God seens as stupid as man was back then? Could it be this is because it was made by primitive man?

Why are the only things in the bible, are things that man thought was true, and other things left out that a god should know? Could it be because it was written by man?

You know what is true, the religion you worship is shaped by where you are from, and your family most of the time. If you were born in Tibet, yoh would be Buddhist and believe that is the way. If you were born in a Muslim country, you would be Muslim and believe in the eritings of the Koran. If you were born in India, you would most probably be a seek or Hindu, and believe your religion to be the true religion.

See what I am getting at here?

a reply to: Visiting ESB

yes, tell us about the fee and the shape-shifting language!

Well, since you asked.

And a content warning for those who are squemish when it comes to blood and natural organic processes. Those of the religious view will probably be offended.

First some definitions:

Faerie (n.)
Fairie, "the country or home of supernatural or legendary creatures; fairyland," also "something incredible or fictitious," from Old French faerie "land of fairies, meeting of fairies; enchantment, magic, witchcraft, sorcery" - source.

The origin is European and primarily the British Isles where they are called the Sìth in the language of the Scot, and Sidhe in the language of the Irish. Their origin goes back to a supernatual race of Beings called the Tuatha de Danaan.

The Sidhe and Sith are also associated with the land of the dead. If one can see the fairy, one can usually see the deceased.

Now the fairy folk are not the "Tinkerbells" of the modern thought, it is Disney who is to blame for that. The fairy is as we are in height and human looking for the most part.

The word Fae is generally used as a catch all for supernatural Beings.

I may as well add that the Muslims have their supernatural Beings such as the Jinn.

The jinn are of pre-Islamic Arabian origin. Since the Quran affirms their existence, when Islam spread outside of Arabia jinn belief was adopted by later Islamic culture. The Quran reduced the status of the jinn from that of tutelary deities to something parallel to humans. By that, the jinn were considered a third class of invisible beings, not consequently equated with devils, and Islam was able to integrate local beliefs about spirits and deities from Iran, Africa, Turkey and India, into a monotheistic framework.

Source: Wikipedia Jinn

That is just two examples of Beings from the pre-monotheistic times. So the ordinarily unseen Beings is what we are describing here.

The Author Joshua Cutchin, in his book Thieves In The Night - A brief history of supernatural child abductions, makes a very good case for child abductions by the fae and child abductions by the greys as being one and the same. A very good book on the subject in my opinion, and Cutchin's views agree with mine.

I will give a little background to myself for context here. I am not book-learned by any means. I spent my first half dozen years in a house full of supernatural phenomenon. The dead drunks would walk through the house on their way to the brewery to soak in the vats of alcohol. Plus the usual poltergeist happenings. The greys first got me there one night. That was my early education into the subject of the phenomenon as Jacques Vallée likes to call it. No need to read books on what I already know.

So let us get down to the nitty-gritty of shape-shifting, and how it is achieved as I have been shown by Beings one may as well call the fae.

Appearence is a language is something I have come to understand with practice. Without going into the psychology of the human mind and interpretation level visions, I will simply say that there are those who can cast a glamour over a person can get them to see what they wish.

The question of why? is most important.

If an unseen Being wishes to protect something important to them from people, well, obviously fear will shoo humans away. Let them see something scary. Why not? Child's play. The religious and superstitous especially will jump to the conclusion of "demons!"

In the case of the greys, Culchin, and many here on ATS lean towards the fae taking on the more modern appearence of UFOs and Aliens. keeping up with the times and people's expectations. That is not to say that explains everything. Heck no.

So let's take a brief look at what I will simply refer to as fairies and the creation of doubles. This is where the subject becomes confronting for many people. The reader has been warned.

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How do they create a dopple-ganger, the double? How do they shape-shift between different forms? It is simple really. The Being uses the menses of the maiden to create the double.

This does not happen often these days. The inquisitions of the mediaeval church for example, where thousands of women and children were tortured and murdered has warned the fae that to come too close to a human child will result in the most terrible of things happening to those they hold dear.

It is as simple as that. In plain language the religions have made it very clear to the fae: "We cannot harm you, but we can certainly destroy the things you hold dear. The "names" have their so-called "power" in this simple fact of history. Certain callers of names hold the most terrible of reputations amongst the fae and other unseen Beings. No wonder the unseen world has withdrawn from humanity in modern times.

The situation was not always this way.

In days of old, a 'litttle blue light' might become enchanted with the imagination of a human girl, or perhaps her plight in life. The Being may spend time with her and become the invisible friend of the child. You see, loneliness in a child is a very strong emotion that broadcasts far and wide in the astral.

If the 'little blue light' finds the girl to it's liking and the Being becomes special to the girl, the relationship might become more formal. The 'little blue light' would take up residence in the maiden's womb. As the girl reached the beginnings of puberty and the coming of the first menses, the 'little blue light' would be bathed in her blood. from that discarded waste the Being begins to build the double of the girl from the information contained in the blood.

The Being does not reside in the womb full time it comes and goes.

Might this sound familiar in our modern scientific day?

The blood of the umbilical cord has what is called stem cells and DNA. Scientists proudly announce a major breakthrough of something the fae have been doing on their own for aeons.

Think too that in the mathematics of topology, the study of surfaces, that the interior of the womb is outside the body. Keep in mind as well that the menses is in a way disguarded waste. To the point of view of the 'little blue light' the girl is not violated, nor is anything taken from her.

As the girl becomes older the Being has bathed many times and has grown with her. Has shared the girl's emotions and happenings of her life, and taught her many things. The Being has kept the girl company and shared her joys and sorrows. Then comes a special time where the girl might fall in love. The Being learns what love is from the maturing child.

When the girl becomes sexually active, the Being will leave it's former home. One might simply say that the Being considers sex; a home invasion. Not that the Being disapproves, afterall love is a part of growing up for the 'little blue light's' special thing.

If the girl for some reason remains a virgin, the Being and the girl might develop the relationship further and become the equivalent of an oracle or priestess. In days of old this was common (spiritual) knowledge in this common world, the potential of the women folk was well respected.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Continued.

This creation of the double is not restricted to human females alone. It can be done with any organic mammal.

Were the Being to use the same prcedure with say; a wild pole cat, the Being would create a double of that. A Being can have a human form and an animal form if it chooses, and switch between them. The creation of the familiar.

So we can have an appreciation of perhaps why women are considered second class, caused the so-called original sin - the gaining of knowledge, and why menstuation is called "the curse" as the catholics do. We can also understand why the rape of women and girls is used as a weapon against the fairies and the fae.

In practice the menses forms the double, and is worn by the Being as a cloak. An avatar in the modern sense. So within the familiar is a separate consciousness - our 'little blue light'. A similar thing to what is said of the greys. In the modern sense the grey is considered a clone, an avatar, a robot and other similar labels.

We see a similar thing in the Arthurian lore where the magician Merlin had a relationship with Nimue - The Lady Of The Lake.

In the story Nimue fell in love with the magician Merlin, taught Merlin his magic and even locked him away. The 'folk' can have relationships with the menfolk too, abiet differently. The knowledge of the womenfolk is different to the knowledge of the menfolk when it came to the fairies.

That is some of what I know of shape shifting and one way it is done amongst the fae.

A little more on the language of appearence. Like all languages it is something we learn with practice.

Where humans have the spoken word created by modulating the air as it passes through our larynx and creating sounds. Not everyone can do this if they are not organic. A grey for example, at least the one I spend time with, is not quite physical in the common sense. yet it has a tongue, rounded like some birds such as the parrots. That tongue is not designed to modualte air to create sound. That tongue is designed for something else, a sense for analysis.

So how does a Being that does not speak words as we do communicate?

Telepathy as the greys do is one way, but they have studied language and the two-way formation of concepts.

Now what if a Being has not spent time with humans?

They play charades.

In the game of charades children know it is a game. A correspondance with the theater and mime and the adult knows mime is a game.

So if a Being appears to be something, it is important to stay one's judgement and work out what is happening or one may miss the message.

In the language of appearence one might say; it is all just a game.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Thank you! I'll read this evening...