The tree of knowledge of good and evil.

There is a lot of discussion of what the tree of knowledge of good and evil means.

I've thought a lot through the decades and recently was given a peace of info.

Could it be communication? Speaking or talking that makes this more of what it is?

Without being able to talk, we'd be unable to plant that seed in another's mind of what is right and what is wrong.

If you think about it, only humans can tell a story. Those stories lead to things that we then create, judge and decide, shape our lives and believe in.

Remember those who took an oath of silence? Only a really dumb person would do that unless there was some sort of truth to it. This tree has had me bewildered until recently when a 'thing' happened

The other tree is easy to figure out.

Just meditating and thinking.....

a reply to: godservant

Interesting. What about people who are deaf/mute? They seem to be able to communicate just fine with some training and studying. For me, the fruit of the tree is symbolic of the potential ability to recognize what is "good" and what is "bad".
A conscience, so to speak.

a reply to: godservant

Except in Genesis
[1:27] So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
[1:28] God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."
[1:29] God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
[1:30] And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.
[1:31] God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Turns out communication was pre fruit of the trees being consumed

a reply to: Raggedyman

God said, "See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.

So was it ok (according to god) for them to eat from the tree of knowledge or not?

check out:
The Eve Theory of Consciousness
and
The Snake Cult of Consciousness
and
The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Pronouns

These are sequential blog posts on www.vectorsofmind.com.... The author seems to be a software engineer who works near Artificial Intelligence, so he's been pondering consciousness rather deeply.

To understand the posts linked above, he's pondering within the evolutionary paradigm: If we were unconscious "animals" at some point (4million to 100,000 years ago) and we gradually evolved to our present condition, then Was there a single Light-Bulb moment at which we "switched on" to a conscious state? He has a sh*t-ton of links and references to works by cognitive scientists and historians. What's mind-blowing to me, is that he concludes that the light-bulb moment may have been as recent as 9,000 to 6,000 years ago (at different times in different places in the world, as the "Snake Cult" spread by diffusion from an epicenter.


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SPOILER!!!

snake venom in non-lethal doses is a psychedelic drug that allows cult participants to REALIZE a conscious state: to connect the "voices in their head" with a putative "I/me". Snake Venom is highly toxic, the lethality may be minimized by consuming large quantities of chemical "ritulin" before the trip. Ritulin is found in fruits like (wait for it) ...Apples.

Whether you want to believe the guy or not, the story he tells very much blew my mind. The posts are technical-jargon heavy, but what a tale he weaves, whether true or not!

a reply to: godservant

I think it is a metaphor for the loss of innocence and becoming self conscious.

We were created in Gods image not His likeness, if we looked like Him we would be invisible. The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil is an image too.

The Tree represents a way of being, it's roots firmly planted, it's branches baring fruit.

The fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil gives enlightenment.

a reply to: Cwantas

The image of God is what's appearing in plain sight......it's the manifestation of God.....the one light appearing as many.

The appearance and the seeing are not two things.

There is no separation......

a reply to: Itisnowagain
God isn't light He manifests light, everything is a manifestation of God, He Himself is invisible.

a reply to: Cwantas

Christ means The Anointed One.

Christ is the visible image of the invisible god.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Cwantas

Christ is the visible image of the invisible god.

So are we, we were created in His image. Who Christ is represents God not how He looks.

a reply to: godservant
I have always argued that the knowledge was not "good and evil" , but "good-and-evil". That is, claiming to know or decide the boundary line between them, what kind of behaviour fits in which category.

That interpretation fits the dialogue. It is God's place to decide what is good and what is evil. So when Adam and Eve start making their own deicsions on the matter, they have "become like God" in the sense that they are trying to do his job, but they are also stealing a right which belongs to him. Because they are making their own decisions, they are making different decisions, which is how they automatically separate themselves from God's will. That separation is the sin.

It also fits the symbolism of the story. God has made a "good-and-evil" decision to the effect that the tree is "not-to-be-eaten". But as Adam admits, they arrive at a different decision, that the fruit is "good-to-eat". So the act of taking the fruit to eat is itself an act of "independence from God's will", acting out the "separation from God's will" which the event symbolises.

a reply to: Cwantas

You imagine that you are a separate thing that appears within the image.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Cwantas

You imagine that you are a separate thing that appears within the image.

I'm not sure what a thing that appears within an image is to be honest.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: godservant
I have always argued that the knowledge was not "good and evil" , but "good-and-evil". That is, claiming to know or decide the boundary line between them, what kind of behaviour fits in which category.

That interpretation fits the dialogue. It is God's place to decide what is good and what is evil. So when Adam and Eve start making their own deicsions on the matter, they have "become like God" in the sense that they are trying to do his job, but they are also stealing a right which belongs to him. Because they are making their own decisions, they are making different decisions, which is how they automatically separate themselves from God's will. That separation is the sin.

It also fits the symbolism of the story. God has made a "good-and-evil" decision to the effect that the tree is "not-to-be-eaten". But as Adam admits, they arrive at a different decision, that the fruit is "good-to-eat". So the act of taking the fruit to eat is itself an act of "independence from God's will", acting out the "separation from God's will" which the event symbolises.

I'm not sure The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil gave the ability to "claim" what is good and evil, evil is evil or it's not, being able to recognise evil is to see the serpent and for that we must have the ability think like one, maybe that was the problem.

But in saying that, evil does flourish where it can't be conceived.

a reply to: Cwantas

You image that you are separate from other stuff.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Cwantas

You image that you are separate from other stuff.

No I believe that we are one with The Father.

what if this tree was genetically modified? The oldest lie told to man: was in the garden of Eden when the serpent told Eve to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge, surely you will not die. This could be why in one verse God said all that all i have created is for your use but then tell Eve not to eat from that tree. What was so different about that tree? It was the tree of knowledge, what if Satan was very knowledgeable of genetics and DNA and he was jealous that he didnt have the power to create. Was the fruit from that tree a GMO? people have speculated that dna modification and genetic manipulation is how the dinosaurs came to be. God also said that the end times will be like the days of Noah, in the days of Noah: God said all that was not his creation will be destroyed by the flood some speculate that the flood was what wiped out the dinosaur. What if this same lie is being used today: Fauci: take the vaccine surely you wont die, reply to: godservant

a reply to: Cwantas
It is precisely what they do in the story, which makes it the most straight-forward answer.

a reply to: DISRAELI
So knowing good and evil is a sin to god.