Mississippi starts allowing religious exemptions for childhood vaccinations

Chickenpox vaccination does increase shingles cases - LINK

Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient - LINK

Why You Can Still Catch The Mumps, Even If You've Been Vaccinated - LINK

2023 Vaccination Schedule: 0-18 Years of Age...wOw - LINK

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

A large number of people are religious and can make a claim based on their religious beliefs.

I know of a few religions that disavow certain medical intervention, like blood transfusions, but the majority of religions don't.

Nobody can check how religious you are. Say I am a Christian...

Okay, let's say that. What Christian doctrine or biblical passage forbids immunizations? Good thing Mississippi doesn't question a person's religious sincerity, because a lot of people are going to have to lie, hard, to get this exemption. As God intended, right?

There is a difference between transfusions and vaccines but not getting vaccinated because of religious or philosophical beliefs isn't something new. If the law allows you to get an exemption based on your religious views then you can find anything you want to go against a mandate, for example how the vaccine was tested, if it was tested in animals, was it ethical? How did they develop the vaccine? Does it contain animal or animal derived ingredients? Does it contain embryonic tissue? Does it contain ingredients that are unknown or not disclosed?

a reply to: AlienBorg

There is a difference between transfusions and vaccines but not getting vaccinated because of religious or philosophical beliefs isn't something new.

Not really. I'm mean, yeah there's a difference. However, considering a certain amount of antiquity, I would think introducing anything through a needle into the body, especially the blood stream, would fall under the same exemption. Some people even think tattoos are taboo for the same reason.

If the law allows you to get an exemption based on your religious views, then you can find anything you want to go against a mandate, for example how the vaccine was tested, if it was tested in animals, was it ethical?

Yeah. People will lie to get a religious exemption, maybe by claiming animal cruelty because a vaccine was tested on animals, and won't even think twice about the Chic-A-Fila sandwich that they had for lunch.

There's something particularly vile about forcing people to turn to hypocrisy to access their constitutional rights in order to validate the notion that their religious right is a superior right.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

There is a difference between transfusions and vaccines but not getting vaccinated because of religious or philosophical beliefs isn't something new.

Not really. I'm mean, yeah there's a difference. However, considering a certain amount of antiquity, I would think introducing anything through a needle into the body, especially the blood stream, would fall under the same exemption. Some people even think tattoos are taboo for the same reason.

If the law allows you to get an exemption based on your religious views, then you can find anything you want to go against a mandate, for example how the vaccine was tested, if it was tested in animals, was it ethical?

Yeah. People will lie to get a religious exemption, maybe by claiming animal cruelty because a vaccine was tested on animals and won't even think twice about the Chic-A-Fila sandwich that they had for lunch.

There's something particularly vile about forcing people to turn to hypocrisy to access their constitutional rights in order to validate the notion that religious is a superior right.

There is nothing more vile than to mandate vaccinations or drugs to minors and adults and coerce entire populations to use products that nobody knew of or had the slightest piece of information about their safety and side effects. Recent example was the Covid vaccines and the various mandates.

I don't know about you but I am following the science and my instincts (always). I had zero information about these vaccines, nothing about its safety and effectiveness, nothing was known about its short term or long term effects in human health. So the decision was easy and I declined them. Did I regret it? Not really. I have had Covid before any of these vaccines appeared in the market. Had minor symptoms for a few days and that was all.

I didn't have to decline getting vaccinated on the basis of religious beliefs but due to the absence of any evidence for their safety and effectiveness. It's a much more powerful reason.

originally posted by: TarantulaBite
Chickenpox vaccination does increase shingles cases - LINK

Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient - LINK

Why You Can Still Catch The Mumps, Even If You've Been Vaccinated - LINK

2023 Vaccination Schedule: 0-18 Years of Age...wOw - LINK

From your first link

Re-exposure to chickenpox virus boosts immunity to shingles for a tenth of the time previously thought. So although vaccination increases shingles cases in 31-40 year olds, in the longer term the benefits outweigh the risks, scientists conclude.

I have had chickenpox when I was a child and no need to get vaccinated.

my.clevelandclinic.org...#:~:text=How%20common%20is%20shingles%3F,earlier%20time%20in%20their%20lives.

Around 10% of those who have had chickenpox develop shingles later on in their life. So chances are in your favour (massively).

a reply to: AlienBorg

There is nothing more vile than to mandate vaccinations or drugs to minors and adults and coerce entire populations to use products that nobody knew of or had the slightest piece of information about their safety and side effects. Recent example was the Covid vaccines and the various mandates.

If you feel that people should be able to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children for public school, then you should want that freedom for everyone, and not celebrate when only certain people are eligible for a constitutional right, while others need to lie if they want to access the same rights, or pound sand.

I don't know about you but I am following the science and my instincts (always). I had zero information about these vaccines,

This isn't about vaccines. It's about control over our own and our children's bodies, and the pseudo moral piety that's being used as an excuse to exclude some people from their rights, while extending special rights to others.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

There is nothing more vile than to mandate vaccinations or drugs to minors and adults and coerce entire populations to use products that nobody knew of or had the slightest piece of information about their safety and side effects. Recent example was the Covid vaccines and the various mandates.

If you feel that people should be able to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children for public school, then you should want that freedom for everyone, and not celebrate when only certain people are eligible for a constitutional right, while others need to lie if they want to access the same rights, or pound sand.

I don't know about you but I am following the science and my instincts (always). I had zero information about these vaccines,

This isn't about vaccines. It's about control over our own and our children's bodies, and the pseudo moral piety that's being used as an excuse to exclude some people from their rights, while extending special rights to others.

I am not against freedom of choice and I am in favour of this freedom for all. The reason religious views are often claimed to avoid certain vaccines it's because people find it difficult when vaccines are mandated.

You need to have control over your body. If religious views can offer you the right/chance to avoid mandates then I see no reason why not to use your right. The perfect scenario is the absence of mandates. But there are mandates and the state seems to favour some reasons for refusal over others.

a reply to: AlienBorg

The reason religious views are often claimed to avoid certain vaccines it's because people find it difficult when vaccines are mandated.

Lots of people, for various reasons were affected badly by the vaccine mandates, religious views be damned. Religion should have nothing to do with this, and certainly NOT have more sway than other constitutional rights, like our 4th Amendment rights, for example: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

You need to have control over your body. If religious views can offer you the right/chance to avoid mandates then I see no reason why not to use your right.

Do you see any reason why not to lie about your religious beliefs in order to gain access to your rights?

They didn't, but what if SCOTUS had ruled that only religiously conscientious people can have a conceal carry permit in New York? They ruled it was unconstitutional to deprive anyone, with some exceptions, their 2nd Amendment right to carry arms under you coat or in your purse.

I always figured everyone had a right to religious exemptions. But here's a source that shows states and their postition:



I'm actually shocked that there are states that don't allow any immunization exemptions but especially Mississippi. CA, not surprised one bit.

It's a tough call. We all want to protect the children but some kids have reactions. But yeah, the Amish. Disease is almost nil for childhood diseases and issues like ADHD, Autism etc. And they use a lot of the same herbicides and pesticides as other farmers. So what's different????

No vaccines
less processed foods

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

The reason religious views are often claimed to avoid certain vaccines it's because people find it difficult when vaccines are mandated.

Lots of people, for various reasons were affected badly by the vaccine mandates, religious views be damned. Religion should have nothing to do with this, and certainly NOT have more sway than other constitutional rights, like our 4th Amendment rights, for example: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

You need to have control over your body. If religious views can offer you the right/chance to avoid mandates then I see no reason why not to use your right.

Do you see any reason why not to lie about your religious beliefs in order to gain access to your rights?

They didn't, but what if SCOTUS had ruled that only religiously conscientious people can have a conceal carry permit in New York? They ruled it was unconstitutional to deprive anyone, with some exceptions, their 2nd Amendment right to carry arms under you coat or in your purse.

According to you religion has nothing to do with getting an exemption from getting vaccinated. But the entire legal system and much of the population will disagree with you. Like it or not religious views/values are a very strong reason for making policies/politics.

The first amendment protects someone's freedom of religion. And the courts have ruled already you can get be exempt from getting vaccinated or refuse to be vaccinated or vaccinate your children on the basis of your religious beliefs.

The constitution and legal precedence have given the rights to people to say no to medical interventions. If you don't agree religion is a reason for getting exemptions or religion should not come with extra rights then that's another point. Very difficult to argue against when a large number of citizens are religious and when religion is embedded in someone's upbringing and understanding of the world.

a reply to: AlienBorg

According to you religion has nothing to do with getting an exemption from getting vaccinated.

No. Religion has nothing to do with a person's right to bodily autonomy.

Like it or not religious views/values are a very strong reason for making policies/politics.

...Making policies that don't apply to religious people, or that only religious people can enjoy?

All you are arguing, repeatedly, is that religious rights are more special that other rights, and you're using an appeal to authority, citing this court's ruling, as righteous retribution of a perceived slight. As if only God can exempt a person from the government's overreach. A person's own determinism, free speech and self expression is no good when it comes to bodily autonomy?

The constitution and legal precedence have given the rights to people to say no to medical interventions.

The US Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. You don't have equal protection if only religious people can access certain rights, or can dictate how others are allowed to speak and express themselves.

I am not against freedom of choice and I am in favour of this freedom for all.

Are ya? Is this a kinda new concept for you?

Why is religion topping realistic personal safety concerns?
Nobody should be forced to inject anything controversial into their body.
There will be cases where a casual religious person gets to avoid it but an informed and very worried non religious person isn't.

As Sookichacha said, this forces people to lie in order to keep their bodies safe. Which will skew any statistics regarding the amount of believers who refuse a jab.
This should worry religious folk a lot btw!

That said, any personal deep conviction should have the same merit as MuH rELiGiOn, or else it sound as if it's ok to use non believers as guinea pigs, whilst religious people get special status...
Alarm bells should be ringing very loudly here!!!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

According to you religion has nothing to do with getting an exemption from getting vaccinated.

No. Religion has nothing to do with a person's right to bodily autonomy.

Like it or not religious views/values are a very strong reason for making policies/politics.

...Making policies that don't apply to religious people, or that only religious people can enjoy?

All you are arguing, repeatedly, is that religious rights are more special that other rights, and you're using an appeal to authority, citing this court's ruling, as righteous retribution of a perceived slight. As if only God can exempt a person from the government's overreach. A person's own determinism, free speech and self expression is no good when it comes to bodily autonomy?

The constitution and legal precedence have given the rights to people to say no to medical interventions.

The US Constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. You don't have equal protection if only religious people can access certain rights, or can dictate how others are allowed to speak and express themselves.

I am not against freedom of choice and I am in favour of this freedom for all.

Are ya? Is this a kinda new concept for you?

I am not arguing religious rights are more important than other rights but they are rights too. Religious views can be used for declining vaccines and medication or medical procedures. This is nothing new as you probably know, it's a fact.

The first amendment and the court rulings over the years give the legal precedence where religious views can be used to reject vaccines. Is not an appeal to authority, I am merely stating what's true and had been true for years now. .

I am referring you back to my reply earlier

If the law allows you to get an exemption based on your religious views then you can find anything you want to go against a mandate, for example how the vaccine was tested, if it was tested in animals, was it ethical? How did they develop the vaccine? Does it contain animal or animal derived ingredients? Does it contain embryonic tissue? Does it contain ingredients that are unknown or not disclosed

All the above are legitimate questions and objections when someone has a religious belief. It's not even debatable.

originally posted by: Hecate666
Why is religion topping realistic personal safety concerns?
Nobody should be forced to inject anything controversial into their body.
There will be cases where a casual religious person gets to avoid it but an informed and very worried non religious person isn't.

As Sookichacha said, this forces people to lie in order to keep their bodies safe. Which will skew any statistics regarding the amount of believers who refuse a jab.
This should worry religious folk a lot btw!

That said, any personal deep conviction should have the same merit as MuH rELiGiOn, or else it sound as if it's ok to use non believers as guinea pigs, whilst religious people get special status...
Alarm bells should be ringing very loudly here!!!

Is not topping other concerns... But it's a safe way to reject a mandate instead of trying to argue when governments become unreasonable and start mandating vaccinations or products unknown to the public like the Covid vaccines.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
Like all the Amish who aren't sick?

Pure big pharma propaganda.

You must not live near any Amish communities. Many of them do vaccinate their children, and they most certainly get sick and utilize modern medicine.

I get very angry when I hear imbeciles sprout nonsense about the 'dangers of vaccinations'. I'm deaf in my right ear from getting mumps when I was 5. We here in the UK didn't have the MMR vaccine at the time. I wish we had, I'll never hear anything on my right side unless I have an electronic implant.
Let me just state something: without vaccines we'd still have polio and smallpox ravaging our communities. We need vaccines. Stop spreading abject nonsense about vaccines.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I get very angry when I hear imbeciles sprout nonsense about the 'dangers of vaccinations'. I'm deaf in my right ear from getting mumps when I was 5. We here in the UK didn't have the MMR vaccine at the time. I wish we had, I'll never hear anything on my right side unless I have an electronic implant.
Let me just state something: without vaccines we'd still have polio and smallpox ravaging our communities. We need vaccines. Stop spreading abject nonsense about vaccines.

I will agree with you very much on this.

If you take a look in my OP and specifically the first paragraph. I see no issue using vaccinations that are proven to be safe and effective although people should be coerced or forced to get vaccinated.

I don't agree with government's mandates and when they try to push unknown products in the market like the Covid vaccines they had zero safety guarantees.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: AlienBorg

A large number of people are religious and can make a claim based on their religious beliefs.

I know of a few religions that disavow certain medical intervention, like blood transfusions, but the majority of religions don't.

Nobody can check how religious you are. Say I am a Christian...

Okay, let's say that. What Christian doctrine or biblical passage forbids immunizations? Good thing Mississippi doesn't question a person's religious sincerity, because a lot of people are going to have to lie, hard, to get this exemption. As God intended, right?

In the US you can start your own religion and even get tax exemption. You can state that your religion does not allow vaccination. Freedom of religion, not just the popular ones, you can have your own religion. It cannot be infringed upon.

What about the covid virus vaccine - If it was mandatory at your place of employment to get the vaccine, could it be refused on religious grounds?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
I get very angry when I hear imbeciles sprout nonsense about the 'dangers of vaccinations'. I'm deaf in my right ear from getting mumps when I was 5. We here in the UK didn't have the MMR vaccine at the time. I wish we had, I'll never hear anything on my right side unless I have an electronic implant.
Let me just state something: without vaccines we'd still have polio and smallpox ravaging our communities. We need vaccines. Stop spreading abject nonsense about vaccines.

You are so right - I found this frightening article:

"Polio re-emerged in the UK and the US after nearly a decade of no cases, paralyzing at least one unvaccinated New Yorker."

www.insider.com...

And what on earth does religion have to do with vaccines or our health anyway.