Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

y'all?? How many times do I have to tell you, I'm a libertarian. Little early onset dementia?

Even the dembs won't be voting FOR Biden but they will be united against the opposition front runner.

yea, y'all must be so proud. Voting for a train wreck rather than prosperity, out of spite. The kind of stupid that just can't be put into appropriate words.

How many times do I need to tell you, I have voted Libertarian since 2000. Early onset dementia perhaps?

a reply to: TonyS
You call the Democrats that, but what do you call the MAGA Republicans who supported Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election?

The ignorance on both sides is great. Unfortunately to many folks vote Red or Blue no matter who, making a 3rd party candidate not viable.

a reply to: matafuchs

Had Trump simply conceded in 2020 he likely would win 2024 by a landslide.

Instead he tried to overturn the election which he lost, and yes Trump LOST the 2020 election, and effectively install himself as a dictator.

Unfortunately a lame duck President is a better option than a maniac who wants to be a dictator, and almost a quarter of the US would actually support Trump installing himself as a dictator. Fortunately those folks are a minority and will lose again in 2024.

I do have some hope that Biden steps down or otherwise becomes incapacitated and forces a Democratic primary, however I have no hope in the party to select a viable candidate.

That said, I do find some humor that Trump's actions after losing 2020 effectively has prevented him from being the overwhelming favorite in 2024.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: dandandat2
I really don't think you know how a third party works. Bringing in a third party benefits a losing candidate not a winning one. Example:- there is no chance in hell that Biden will win another election, he will be the runner up if it's a two party race. Now add a third party, this will split some people and the candidate with the most to lose is the successful one.

Example:- if candiate 1 was to take 52% of the vote he would win in a two party race with the loser getting 48%. But add a third party that MIGHT vote against the first candidate, say 10%, the second candidate still gets 48% but the first candidate gets 42%. Now who wins.
This has been going on in UK politics for years. Divide and conquer.

Already happened at least twice in my lifetime .
Nader.
Perot .

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: TonyS
You call the Democrats that, but what do you call the MAGA Republicans who supported Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election?

I would phrase the situation as 'The President had reason to believe that the election was illegitimate, that thousands of illegal ballots were counted, that there were software glitches with some of the machines, but TPTB squelched any questioning of the results and ridiculed anyone thinking outside the Box of Approved Thought'.

a reply to: jrod

When you called him a dictator it all went out the window....

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: TonyS
The ignorance on both sides is great. Unfortunately to many folks vote Red or Blue no matter who, making a 3rd party candidate not viable.

Instead he tried to overturn the election which he lost, and yes Trump LOST the 2020 election, and effectively install himself as a dictator.

Both Hillary Clinton and Al Gore lost their races and tried to over turn the result through process. Are they considering maniacs who wanted to install themselves as dictators?

I do agree that ignorance on both sides is great; and the constant hyperbole doesn't help.

Biden does not need any help hurting Biden's chance of winning the presidency. He has been doing a good job on his own.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Ok.

Trump also claimed he won the 2016 Iowa Caucus, the Wisconsin Primary and also claimed those results were fraudulent. He also made the same claim about the 2016 popular vote, where again he claimed he won and fraud was involved.

Do you see a pattern here? Everytime Trump loses, he cries fraud with no evidence.

There was no tangible evidence to support that Trump won 2020, yet he refused to accept it. This was why he had most of his cabinet members resign or fired post election.

Yet we still have a bunch of MAGA folks who believe Trump won 2020 based on no tangible evidence, only their confirmation bias and the words of a man who cried fraud everytime, I mean EVERYTIME, he previously lost an election.

Trump has no business being a presidential candidate again and I am embarrassed for the US that he is still the Republican front runner.

No one tried to overturn an election and enough with the MAGA folk garbage. I don't call the left BLM'ers and that they truly have destroyed cities and killed multiple people. Name ONE city the MAGA folk burnt down? A cop car they destroyed?

No one was to be installed as dictator. It was about making sure everything was truly correct and certified. TPTB wanted it certified so nothing could be done to overturn and say it was not a proper election. There were no faithless electors like there were in 2016. Nope. I mean, in 2000 there was a SCOTUS decision regarding the election.

I will be voting for the man that the establishment hates and is afraid of and there are more votes coming than in 2020.

a reply to: matafuchs

What are you trying to say here?

Reality differs from what you believe. Trump tried to remain in power after he lost in 2020. I call that trying to to be a dictator as I do not have a better word for it.

Was there ever any doubt???

files.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: matafuchs

What are you trying to say here?

Reality differs from what you believe. Trump tried to remain in power after he lost in 2020. I call that trying to to be a dictator as I do not have a better word for it.

Laughable, and lacking in self-awareness.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

Even the dembs won't be voting FOR Biden but they will be united against the opposition front runner.

Correct. No matter who the opposition is, right? The Republicans could put MLK on the ticket and Democrats would call him an "Uncle Tom" and throw him under the White House

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

y'all?? How many times do I have to tell you, I'm a libertarian. Little early onset dementia?

Even the dembs won't be voting FOR Biden but they will be united against the opposition front runner.

yea, y'all must be so proud. Voting for a train wreck rather than prosperity, out of spite. The kind of stupid that just can't be put into appropriate words.

How many times do I need to tell you, I have voted Libertarian since 2000. Early onset dementia perhaps?

I keep forgetting while you champion all the left's causes. I'm sure eventually it will sink in. My eyes work better than my ears these days.

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: network dude


You still don't get it. Those middle folks are not looking to unseat the Biden administration, they just refuse a Trump administration. The problem with that is that they have now put all eggs in a basket. And generally that works in their favor but this time around the middle is keeping an eye on that.
Now it come down to whom will say something more stupid than the other.
Looking at you Desantis.

I think you have that exactly backwards. A viable third party candidate is the Democrats worst nightmare. There is quite a bit of dissent in the Democratic Party. A third party candidate would probably pick up a lot of votes from centrist Democrats. In the 2020 election there were a lot of Democrats who voted for Biden for two reasons. One reason was the MSM vilification of Trump and the other was out of tradition. Now that they have seen the train wreck that is the Biden Administration a third party candidate would let them vote for neither Biden or Trump.

By the way. I voted for Perot, twice. I didn't mind Bill, Hilary scared the crap out of me.

a reply to: jrod

No, he did not. He never once said I am not leaving office and come remove me. He did not deploy military against his foes. He did not restrict access. He did none of the things a dictator would have done. No one was arrested. No one was indicted. Nothing. He was even impeached and cleared. FBI cleared him.

He asked for the law to be followed, and to make sure all was correct, and instead it was pushed through so it could NOT be overturned in any way. SCOTUS ruled in 2000. No ruling here.

1/6 was a protest, not an insurrection. It was the right of the American PEople there to protest. I mean, I have seen a lot of videos where people were 'allowed' in so please explain that. No threats at those times just...allowed to walk in.

I am more than in touch with reality because i see what our government is actually doing and not blindly hating those I do not like.

originally posted by: JIMC5499

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: network dude


You still don't get it. Those middle folks are not looking to unseat the Biden administration, they just refuse a Trump administration. The problem with that is that they have now put all eggs in a basket. And generally that works in their favor but this time around the middle is keeping an eye on that.
Now it come down to whom will say something more stupid than the other.
Looking at you Desantis.

A viable third party candidate is the Democrats worst nightmare.

depends on the candidate.
Ross Perot probly took more votes from Bush than Clinton.
a leftist like Cornell West would be disastrous for the Democrats.
Joe Manchin would take mostly Republican votes, I think.
as I recall Ralph Nader ran once and took votes from the Democrat (and got savaged for it)

I'd consider giving $ to a Cornell West campaign just to tweak the Democrats.

JOE MANCHIN says he's not running for re-election.

How is this important in the big picture?

thehill.com...

RFK Jr is close to 15% polling needed to participate in the Presidential debates like Ross Perot had in 92.

Unfortunately the social media 'influencers'/shills/disinformation specialists are working hard to demonize him, they are really going at him over the the vaccination issue,labeling him an.'anti vaxxer', a conspiracy theorist, ect .

I really hope he gets his chance and will be debating Trump and Biden on the big stage.

The Democrats will support RFK jr if they believe he will take votes from Trump, so far the early polling numbers show him taking undecided Biden votes, hence why they are freaking out and trying to stop him.