Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid

It would seem that in this election cycle the Democrat Party is once again showing its commitment to democracy by taking unscrupulous steps to ensure that no third party challenges them during the 2024 elections.

Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid hits the Hill

Democrats are mounting a coordinated mission to kill a third-party presidential bid — and it’s coming soon to Capitol Hill.

Officials from the progressive group MoveOn and centrist group Third Way are planning to brief Senate Democratic chiefs of staff on July 27, according to an invitation obtained by POLITICO. It’s part of an effort to educate Democrats about the risk that a third-party bid funded by the well-heeled group No Labels could pose to President Joe Biden — particularly if centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) runs for president rather than reelection.

Third Way has put together research showing that a third-party campaign would hurt Biden, an argument that No Labels has dismissed. Bennett declined to comment specifically on this month’s Capitol Hill meeting but confirmed that Third Way is working urgently to stop a third-party candidate.

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The DNC has created a think tank organization, with an appropriate 1984 style name "third way", who's apprent mandate is to find centrist and liberal challengers to the Democrat party and snuff them out prior to elections. Third-Way believe that if a third party "No Labels" where to be allowed to compete for the 2024 presidency than Democrat challenger Joe Biden would surely lose.

Democrats have been very vocal about how they are the best hope in saving our countries democracy while their main challenger, the Republican Party, are a grave danger to democracy. Yet here the DNC is trying once again shutting down democracy when it has the potential to hurt their own election prospects.

How do the rank and file Democrat party members reconcile this hypocrisy from their leaders?

a reply to: dandandat2

The Dems adhere to the CCP model and definition of "Democracy", i.e., One Party Authoritarian rule. They brook NO competition to there hegemony.

There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

a reply to: dandandat2
I really don't think you know how a third party works. Bringing in a third party benefits a losing candidate not a winning one. Example:- there is no chance in hell that Biden will win another election, he will be the runner up if it's a two party race. Now add a third party, this will split some people and the candidate with the most to lose is the successful one.

Example:- if candiate 1 was to take 52% of the vote he would win in a two party race with the loser getting 48%. But add a third party that MIGHT vote against the first candidate, say 10%, the second candidate still gets 48% but the first candidate gets 42%. Now who wins.
This has been going on in UK politics for years. Divide and conquer.

a reply to: dandandat2

The Pledge of Allegiance

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is a patriotic recited verse that promises allegiance to the flag of the United States and the republic of the United States of America.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't want this recited anymore in school? Well, it would obviously conflict with their socialism curriculum, duh!

US Department of Education needs to be investigated, overhauled and brought to STRICT heel over their decades long campaign to decimate the Constitution and overthrow America.

One of the largest threats to this country is teachers. Straight up. Never thought it would come to be, but our learning institutions, amongst others as well, have been weaponized AGAINST the Republic. There really should be investigations, subpoenas and hearings.

ETA:

PS- Our voting apparatuses STILL haven't been fixed or cleansed and yet the subject of voting and outcomes are debated as if everything is just honky doory! People did the same 💩 when it came to "getting back to normal". The need was so great, the manipulators used that to get people to take their poison into their bodies.

I'm convinced people WANT to be suckers for some psychological reason I haven't pinpointed yet. However, I do have great fellow members here who can explain to me what's with the willful disconnect and mass self-deluding.
🤷🏻

a reply to: dandandat2
I find it remarkable that the group fighting against this called:”The Third Way” … a radical movement, that claims centrism and was espoused by Clinton and Blair, but not their concept www.theguardian.com...
This article describes it as defunct, I say it’s alive and well in the WEF and other organizations as Karl12 discusses here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

Even the dembs won't be voting FOR Biden but they will be united against the opposition front runner.

a reply to: dandandat2

I worked briefly for EDS and little gnome Ross Perot. He ran third party and cost Bush 1 the election. Clinton was elected.

At the end of the Clinton admin, the largest government contract ever awarded went to EDS. For the Navy/Marine Corp network and infrastructure contract. Huge. By then I was working for DoD and the first thing I said when it was announced that EDS had won the huge contract was 'Ross just got paid'!

Nobody laughed, they all thought I was nutz.

Gotta love the eternal optimism here... as if Biden needs to win an election to "win" the election...

And just FYI we have a REPUBLIC. Not a democracy. Big difference.

If we don't even know that much and act/demand accordingly, then it's not worth fighting (or voting) for.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: dandandat2
I really don't think you know how a third party works. Bringing in a third party benefits a losing candidate not a winning one. Example:- there is no chance in hell that Biden will win another election, he will be the runner up if it's a two party race. Now add a third party, this will split some people and the candidate with the most to lose is the successful one.

Example:- if candiate 1 was to take 52% of the vote he would win in a two party race with the loser getting 48%. But add a third party that MIGHT vote against the first candidate, say 10%, the second candidate still gets 48% but the first candidate gets 42%. Now who wins.
This has been going on in UK politics for years. Divide and conquer.

Democracy harms the two party rule? You don't say.

I think everyone understands how thrid parties give people more choices and how that can hurt the two major parties. What I don't understand is why people who profess to stand for democracy stifle it so often.

originally posted by: Boadicea
And just FYI we have a REPUBLIC. Not a democracy. Big difference.

If we don't even know that much and act/demand accordingly, then it's not worth fighting (or voting) for.

Our republic is built on democratic principles. There is no need to point out that we are a republic every time the issue of democracy comes up. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

The fact that we are a republic doesn't give the Democrat party the grounds to curtail democracy in this country so brazenly.

In 2020 Trump got 12 million more votes than 2016. No one really talks about that only the loss. With all the 'hate' of him he actually got more votes during his loss. Obama didn't. He was the messiah.

In 2024 I have to say the majority that voted for Trump will again. He is also going to gain more votes. It is not about a MAGA cult it is about people really having their eyes open to the government. What was once crazy conspiracy as HRC would say is now the truth. Does no one remember that the public wanted Bernie in 2016 and...shazam!...HRC is the nominee. These people are corrupt.

81 million in 2020 for Biden.
74 million in 2020 for Trump.
There was a almost 7% larger turnout in 2020. That is a lot of ballot stuffing.

The sad part. No matter who is put up by the left in 2024 they will win. No matter what. At this point, I am betting on Trump winning the Popular vote and then losing the electoral college.

An outsider will never again be the leader of the United States of America.

That said, I welcome someone who will take 8-10% with a third party candidate.

a reply to: network dude


You still don't get it. Those middle folks are not looking to unseat the Biden administration, they just refuse a Trump administration. The problem with that is that they have now put all eggs in a basket. And generally that works in their favor but this time around the middle is keeping an eye on that.
Now it come down to whom will say something more stupid than the other.
Looking at you Desantis.

Green Party accuses the Democrats of trying to shut them out in North Carolina

www.gp.org...

Democratic Party activists fretting about potential Republican strength in North Carolina, a state considered to be leaning red for the midterm elections, are mounting an aggressive campaign to keep the left-leaning Green Party off the ballot there to avoid diluting Democratic turnout.
Green Party activists claim Democrats from the national party apparatus are spearheading a number of challenges to the legitimacy of Green Party petitions and trying to get people who signed those petitions to remove their signatures after the fact.

In letters to the North Carolina Board of Elections, the Elias Group — a Washington law firm with deep ties to the national Democratic Party — and a North Carolina Democrat, Michael Abucewicz, claim that "not only did the Green Party fail to 'inform the signers of the general purpose and intent of the new party,'" but also that it "intentionally instructed circulators to conceal its platform."

North Carolinians who signed petitions for the Green Party have also been receiving "calls, text messages and in-person visits to their homes by people aggressively attempting to compel them to remove their signature," according to a letter sent to the Board of Elections by an investigator working for the Green Party.

in Texas
www.texastribune.org...

State and national Democrats are waging a legal offensive to kick Green Party candidates off the ballot in some of Texas' highest-profile races this fall — and they are seeing success.

Earlier this week, it surfaced that a Green Party contender for chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court had withdrawn after the Democratic nominee questioned his eligibility.

I'm pretty sure this happens elsewhere.
the Democrat parties wants no competition.

a reply to: dandandat2

Our republic is built on democratic principles.

Our Republic is built on natural law and individual rights.

There is no need to point out that we are a republic every time the issue of democracy comes up.

Yes, actually, there is because there is no need to discuss democracy when we are a Republic. Very different values and principles involved.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, as a form of governance, they are, because a democracy only protects the majority (and the tyrants) while a Republic protects BOTH the majority and the minority, including the smallest minority... the individual.

We have no rights if the majority can vote them away as they can in a democracy.

The fact that we are a republic doesn't give the Democrat party the grounds to curtail democracy in this country so brazenly.

The fact that we are a Republic means that there should be no democracy for the Dems to curtail to begin with.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: dandandat2

Our republic is built on democratic principles.

Our Republic is built on natural law and individual rights.

There is no need to point out that we are a republic every time the issue of democracy comes up.

Yes, actually, there is because there is no need to discuss democracy when we are a Republic. Very different values and principles involved.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, as a form of governance, they are, because a democracy only protects the majority (and the tyrants) while a Republic protects BOTH the majority and the minority, including the smallest minority... the individual.

We have no rights if the majority can vote them away as they can in a democracy.

The fact that we are a republic doesn't give the Democrat party the grounds to curtail democracy in this country so brazenly.

The fact that we are a Republic means that there should be no democracy for the Dems to curtail to begin with.

I see that this the hill you are choosing to die on; but the last time I voted for my representatives it was through the democratic process.

a reply to: dandandat2

I see that this the hill you are choosing to die on...

Thanks to all the people who keep forsaking our rights for majority rule, I may just have to do exactly that.

Confusing our language is one of the most powerful tools/weapons our enemies have and use.

It's a crying shame when people who should know better... who claim to know better... play their game.

Federal Democratic Republic
THIS is what the constitution creates

The independent states are self governed and federal representatives are democratically elected in "free" elections by the people of the states.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: olaru12
There will be a 3rd party....the MAGA party against everyone else.


Actually this is exactly what the DNC wants.

you are correct, but a centrist (formerly dem) third ticket would do the exact same damage, but to the left. If Manchin ran as a third party, he would garner some democrat votes, and take away from the Biden Train Wreck. So the whole story is known and all.

Even the dembs won't be voting FOR Biden but they will be united against the opposition front runner.

yea, y'all must be so proud. Voting for a train wreck rather than prosperity, out of spite. The kind of stupid that just can't be put into appropriate words.